Rhiannon opened this issue on Jul 21, 2003 · 96 posts
Rhiannon posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:07 PM
Attached Link: http://www.epilogue.net/cgi/database/art/view.pl?id=41248&genre=2
The link above is to an image of mine titled "Shalaidah" at Epilogue ... the only problem is, that it's not my gallery. Someone by the name of "Khalid Loukili" has stolen two of my images and claimed them as his own. Even changed the names, and mentions info about he created them. Ain't that bitch? Here's the link to "my" image at R'osity: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=293195&Start=73&Artist=Rhiannon&ByArtist=Yes I have alerted the admin there of this violation, and posted a message in their community forum. Perhaps there are more stolen images there, who knows ... could just be isolated ... either way, I thought I should let my buds at R'osity know about it.
JurgenDoe posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:10 PM
Damn I saw it Rhi and I already posted a comment. This really sucks very much and I can imagine how much more image are there that got stolen here at RO.
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Turtle posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:14 PM
I'm so sorry, Your too nice for this to happen too. I'm almost afraid to look and see if there are more from here.
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MariByTheSea posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:22 PM
There is something that can be done about image stealing. If Renderosity would assign gallery owners a seven digit number it would prevent others from uploading images that aren't theirs. When an artist wanted to upload his pics, he would be asked his seven digit password and only then would he be allowed to upload. Course I have never uploaded to the galleries and don't even know the current procedure but maybe something along the lines of my suggestion would help.
SophiaDeer posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:25 PM
This is a disgrace. I hope the admins. there to somthing about it. I am very sorry this has happaned to you. Warm Regards, Nancy Deer With Horns (SophiaDeer)
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ilona posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:26 PM
I am so sorry too Rhi.. and hes getting "woderful" comments on how good thief and how incompetent he really is. No one can match you hun... you are the one and only! Kiiiisssssssssssssss Ilona
JurgenDoe posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:30 PM
I'll go there now and post the original url from your image so other ppl can see how incompetent this thief is :) Hopefully they will find a way to stop those thiefs soon
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Rhiannon posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:33 PM
Yes, it is crazy ... he even renamed this particular image "Holland, Elven Ruler of the Misty Woods." GAG!!! AND, talked about how he didn't use Poser or Bryce on the wings. Well, at least THAT'S a true story ... 'cause HE didn't ... I did. BAHHHHH!!!
Rhiannon posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:34 PM
Thanks GA ... you're a doll, I shoulda' thought of that. :-)
pdxjims posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:36 PM
He's not getting nice comments now. It IS a beautiful piece. At least the theif only steals from the best. Even my work gets pirated. I keep finding my stuff posted in newsgroups with no credit. I don't mind it when people use my art (although I understand a lot of people rightly do), but I expect credit for the work I've done. This takes it even further, as the image is copyrighted at both the 'sity and at Epilogue.
Rhiannon posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:39 PM
Bonni, I thought EXACTLY the same thing about Epilogue ... that ARE very anti-Poser, and even mention in their "submission standards" that images created with Poser or Bryce MUST be of EXCELLENT quality to be approved. I suppose I don't have to work about getting my images appproved for posting there now, huh? ROFLLLLLLLL.
DarkElegance posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:46 PM
it is not so much that they are poser unfriendly they are just certain artist unfriendly LOL. I can not believe that epilogue has stolen art work in it..and for the guy to say that he didnt use poser in it OMG arent those the angelyna wings?
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JoeyAristophanes posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:49 PM
I did get a little giggle out of the header: 'EPILOGUE: Fantasy... at Its Best". Maybe this guy's fantasy is to actually be an artist. :)
Rhiannon posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:50 PM
Yup Dark Elegance, those are the Angelyna Wings ... with one of Ravenheart's textures, if I remember correctly.
jeweldragon posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:50 PM
i also posted a comment too rhi mine is above marfornos i am sorry this is happening to ya i can just about imagine how you feel about now hope this all gets solved soon
DarkElegance posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:52 PM
omg they are ever so strict about work submited and here they are with stolen work. this would be almost funny. but having your work stolen just isnt funny at all.
https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/
DarkElegance posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:53 PM
bijouchat posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:56 PM
the site is awful slow for me right now oh well... I didn't even know the site existed before. Thanks for telling me about it hehehe
Rhiannon posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:58 PM
Thanks ever so much all you guys ... even though this is a kinda' crappy situation and stealing someone else's work makes no sense to me, I'm having somewhat of a good laugh and snicker reading all the comments over at Epilogue. I'm soooooo bad!!! Muhahahahahahaha. LOL! Thanks for gettin' my back, love you all! <
DarkElegance posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 8:59 PM
aye it is very slow right now I think it is because so many of us are going after the guy that stole her pic.
https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/
dialyn posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:00 PM
I posted too. But it looks as if the graphic may have been taken down.
DarkElegance posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:02 PM
I think it has I just got the page back up and the pics are not here just the titles
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bijouchat posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:04 PM
ah, yes. it sucks when people steal. I never got it why someone would steal a render. I mean, so what. Its a render. Its a very nice render... but that's all it is. Few of us can manage to sell renders that are published on the net due to their poor resolution, and well... if you can't do the work yourself, you don't get any work from posting the render, either. for me, the important thing is what you know. Can you tell me how to make a render like this... etc. Its all so empty when you steal a render and you can't really do it. It makes a laughing stock of the guy when he gets caught. Its truly stupid to do this. Why do they do it... beats me, really.
DarkElegance posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:05 PM
JVRenderer posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:08 PM
I wonder about his next image "Dark Elf"... Now who's got a dark elf in here he can steal from???
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Rhiannon posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:12 PM
Actually, this site kinda' sucks when it comes to the coding ... it's very, very slow. One time I can see all the comments and links and images, and the next time I cannot. Right now, I can see all the comments and the image as well. Weird. Stealing? Beats me as well ... I don't get it, it is rather stupid. I would even feel guilty if I used someone else's concept and not mention the original work my comments. Where is the personal fulfillment and joy in claiming something that did not come from your head or your heart or your soul ... or whatever? You might "wish" you had done an image, but personally, when I feel that way, I know that I need to push on and work harder and it makes me even more determined to get where I want to go. There's much more fulfillment in that, if you ask me. :-)
ilona posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:13 PM
No problem.. we write them all over again! untill someone does something about it!
jeweldragon posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:14 PM
i still see them all and i cleaned out my temp files ect so they must still be there
Rhiannon posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:14 PM
Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=251771&Start=87&Artist=Rhiannon&ByArtist=Yes
JV, I'd say this is the one he meant when he mentioned "dark elf." It's all my oldest stuff ... guess he thought no one would notice or remember.
DarkElegance posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:16 PM
I am trying to repost comments but the comment box wont looooooaaaaaaaddd
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JVRenderer posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:20 PM
LOL I think we all trying to get in all at the same time. There must be a bandwidth jam.
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DarkElegance posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:22 PM
jeweldragon posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:24 PM
hehe i got in and left another one
elizabyte posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:28 PM
Don't you wish ALL thieves posted their stolen goods to a site that has comments? >;-> bonni
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bijouchat posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:28 PM
that site is so fricking slow... its pathetic. yeah I agree... I do renders to teach myself 3d concepts... its the concepts I learned that's important to me, my renders are fun but ... its the shaders, the uvmaps and textures I've made, the 3d models I've been creating lately, the setups for lighting etc that I do that make me proud of what I can accomplish in a render. I would be real upset if someone would repost as their own in freestuff or resell - my textures or 3d models, I can say that for certain... but man... stealing a render at low res... you can't print it for anything... you can't do anything with it but say... look at me and how great I am ... (NOT!) ... these people are really pathetic. The only thing I'd be ripping mad over is when they do the tubing, and then resell them... that is theft. But then, I also never understood why any deadbeat would buy tubes of rendered artwork when they can just as easily make their own... lol. I did see an incident recently though over some gay art being entered in a contest and winning, and it wasn't the actual artist that entered the contest... that had to suck too. that would really piss me off also.
atom1972 posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:28 PM
That is just sad. WHY? Why would anyone want to recieve accolade for an image they didn't create? I will never understand why they do it. I am so sorry it happened Rhiannon. Ilona is right you are the one and only. Your style and talent go virtually unmatched, and only an idiot would dare to do what he has done.
jeweldragon posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:32 PM
Don't you wish ALL thieves posted their stolen goods to a site that has comments? >;-> bonni YES i do ! LOL
bijouchat posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:33 PM
yeah, I am just amazed at the idiocy of someone reposting someone elses artwork and not thinking people are going to see it and roast him over a fire... the renders are really lovely and imaginative... its all so empty though when someone posts it and its not their own work. I'm not sure if I'd be even angry... I'd be laughing at them, posting what kind of loser they are for doing it. heck I would, but the site is sooo sloooow I can't get it to load lol
pdxjims posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:34 PM
The other work this scum has posted is a steal of Rhi's excellent "Elven Winter's Gold". Gosh, what an idiot! His pirated copy: http://www.epilogue.net/cgi/database/art/view.pl?id=41216&genre=2 (if you can get Epilogue to load). Rhi's: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=247793&Start=91&Artist=Rhiannon&ByArtist=Yes
DarkElegance posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:42 PM
how curiouse the page seems to of changed. but the work is still there and I still cant llloooooaaaaad the commmmmmment page
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atom1972 posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:46 PM
I was so angry I had to go post a comment too. BTW - beautiful images Rhiannon. Jane
DarkElegance posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 9:57 PM
YAYAYAYAYAY I finally got another post in YAYAYAYYAYAY and ... epilogue has a few other renderosity artist in there..just if you tick them off dont even bother submiting your work cus you could submit the mona lisa and it would be denied. {actually I cant believe I am going to say this} they do have a few amazing galleries. but they are incredibly fond of "obviouse use of digital tools" as a reject line and that is for -digital- art that is submited. { trust me even if there is NO post work on it}
https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/
bijouchat posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 10:03 PM
well, the site is so slow and so poorly organised, I think I won't be posting there anyway... lol. I prefer open sites such as this one, that allow everyone to post. Its more fair, and you learn more.
guslaw posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 10:13 PM
I agree DarkElegance, they do have some remarkable artwork in their galleries, BUT NOT ANY MORE SO THAN IN THE BRYCE, POSER, VUE, ETC galleries here in 'rosity. I too had left a comment at epilogue in support of Rhiannon earlier, before it got swamped by us Renderosity Poser/Bryce/Vue rabel... BTW - Very impressive gallery Rhiannon
JenX posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 10:18 PM
notice how the 'artist' 's replies stopped when the 'epilogue guest' posts started? Someone knows he/she's been caught.
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Rhiannon posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 10:21 PM
Oh, I agree as well ... they do have some incredibly talented artists there. I never really visited there much before the email I got about my work being posted there under someone else's name. I'd love to peruse the galleries all day long, but it is soooooo dang slow, I just give up. From what I understand, they do not sell ad space and rely on donations and volunteers to keep the site going, so that probably is a factor. I do not fault the site admins or owners ... it would be impossible to recognize someone else's work, especially an artist that is not that well known to them. But I am grateful that my work is well known enough that a member would recognize it and give me a heads up. That's pretty cool. :-) Love ya'll ... gotta' get that beauty sleep!!! Rhi
Rhiannon posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 10:23 PM
P.S. And one more great BIG THANKS to you all for your support ... it means so much to me!!! And if the admins do not remove my work AND this thief by tomorrow night, I may need your help to make some more noise!!
DarkElegance posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 10:23 PM
ohhhhh there is some jaw droping work in here. plain and simple. the thing is places like epilogue will snoot a nose up at it. they will allow the occasional work in but in general they wont. and I can promise you if you write and make anote of other work in there that has most deffinate post work etc etc etc then give it up right there. they wont allow any of your work in. they will say things as "obviouse use of digital tools "{how odd to have used digital tools on a digital piece } or the great one "not epilogue quality" even when you can prove that you didnt do anything other then hit the render button. it is frustrating but then places like renderosity exist and it is great. you can learn and get feed back and play with what you want in your gallery and share.
https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/
Kinouk posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 10:24 PM
Put my two cents in!! Sorry sweety this has happened to you! We are behind you 100% hugz Joan
mathman posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 10:26 PM
Such a beautiful piece of work, its a shame that some low-life bastard had the nerve to try and steal it.
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I just posted a comment, too, the one titled "Great Piece"...
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guslaw posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 11:18 PM
Rhiannon, I'm glad to see that an epilogue member who had left an early favorable comment for Khalid Loukili at epilogue had the courtesy to come to your gallery here at renderosity and post the praise where it belongs...
EricofSD posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 11:36 PM
Gee, that was as much fun as jumping in on a warez thread!
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EricofSD posted Mon, 21 July 2003 at 11:44 PM
We'll probably run up the comment count and get him in the top 20 or whatever they have over there! Sheesh.
Patricia posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 12:11 AM
The NERVE of that little twerp! If the site wasn't so damn slow, I'd cruise it and see if I recognized any other images. Glad you found out about it and quashed his pathetic little ego trip.
igohigh posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 12:43 AM
I don't see that anyone hit the "Report this Image" link so I did. Here is the response I just got. Maybe they'll tie him up for a public flogging?!? --------------- Thanks Igohigh, we'll get it taken care of. Also, please don't form your entire opinion of Epilogue based on the (bad) behavior of one artist. These people are definitely in the minority and are generally taken care of quickly. Thanks, Chad Lockwood Epilogue.net - Fantasy and Sci-fi at their best. http://www.epilogue.net ------------------------- Rhiannon, the least they should do is deliver his/her head on a plater to you!
Tashar59 posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 1:21 AM
Not a very wise thing to do, I would say. Maybe this person just found out the community is closer than you think. It didn't take long to gather support. Sorry this has happened to you Rhiannon.
Marque posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 1:38 AM
Sent the owners an email too before I saw the post from igohigh...lol How lame some people are. Marque
Jumpstartme2 posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 3:40 AM
I too left a couple of comments, also tried to report the images...got this weird messege "Report an Image: Sorry, cant run it from here...." What in the world does that mean??
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Phantast posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 5:11 AM
At the moment all the images on that site seem to be missing, even the site design ones. Also, all the text has been changed to black so that the comments can only be read if you highlight them with the mouse.
Andi3d posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 6:15 AM
Epilogue.......spit....elitist bastards, with it appears, some more dishonesty to add to the list of previous indictments
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PoisenedLily posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 6:20 AM
I also reported the image. I also mentioned that Rhiannon will most likely be taking legal action if the image is NOT removed within 24 hours. Thats pathetic and frankly I may hurt this man for stealing from my Rhi! lol Lil jerk! Im seriously NOT pleased...not a good way to wake up! HUGS to you Rhi! And this BEST br removed by the time I get home! Cheers! Gina
PoisenedLily posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 6:24 AM
I also e-mailed Khalid Loukili. I told him to remove the images AT ONCE or Rhiannon would take legal action. Definatly sounded better than "We will for a lynch mob and hunt you down like the dirty dog that you are!" lol Course Im not opposed to it if anyone wants to do it! :) Gina
SkyeWolf posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 8:42 AM
man that sucks. I have a gallery at epilogue. So far they've only accepted one of my images all the others got rejected for "obvious use of digital tools" (WTF?) I'm thinking of pulling that one image because of this though
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rasputina posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 8:45 AM
the page loads now, pic and all...cor that is nervy.
SkyeWolf posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 8:57 AM
y'know what really pisses me off? I put up an image i did using those same wings (different texture), this one: http://www.skyewolfimages.com/images/gallery/SheFlies.jpg and it got rejected! ("elements look cut and pasted", WTF?) I was already thinking of removing myself from this site. Now I'm positive...
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guslaw posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 9:28 AM
Telling a digital artist "obvious use of digital tools" is kind of like telling a traditional artist who works with oil and brushes on canvas his work is rejected because it shows "obvious evidence of brush strokes"... The way I see it, the main difference between elitist, snobish epilogue and Renderosity is that we not only allow, but encourage, beginners, rank amateurs, newbies and plain folk without formal art training to express themselves in any medium they like... ...just my 2 cents
larissad posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 10:33 AM
I'm so sorry for you Rhi! I wanted to leave a note on Khalid Loukili page but I can't open it. I've always thought of Epilogue as a snobish community who boasts to feature 'creme de la creme' artists...now they've accepted the ripper! How disgusting to say at least! I'm with you Girl!
Rhiannon posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 10:50 AM
OMG Igohigh, at least you got a response. I have gotten no response to "two" violation reports I've submitted. From Guslaw: "Telling a digital artist "obvious use of digital tools" is kind of like telling a traditional artist who works with oil and brushes on canvas his work is rejected because it shows "obvious evidence of brush strokes"... Rhi here: Exactly ... how f!#$%$%g ludicrous is that? And ya' know, I hear some traditional artists are using some kind of "texturizing" paint or some such thing for elements in their images ... how is this different than using the impasto brush in Painter? None, in my opinion. Skyewolf, so sorry to hear about your experience. This kinda' thing always happens when lines are drawn to divide and separate people, for whatever reason ... the lines become fuzzy and grey and nothing is ever consistent. No matter how people try to "make" things be black and white, the black and white alway end up bleeding and mixing together eventually, and creating even more separation. Gina, you're my girl!!! HUGS Yeah, I've written this low life slimeball as well and gave him 24 hours to do the right thing and remove my images from his gallery, or legal action would be taken. As of right now, they are still there ... damn, how long does it take to remove a few images and boot his sorry ass outta' there? Thanks all you guys! YOU ROCK!!!
kayjay97 posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 10:51 AM
Well The image is still there but I can't get to the comment page damn it all but as soon as I can I too will leave a comment BTW Rhi! Beautiful Render!!!!!!!!!!1
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guslaw posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 11:09 AM
Rhia, I left the following comment in Epilogue's General forum under your Stolen Work topic: "The image is still up. What seems to be the problem? Rhiannon's picture was posted in early December of 2002. This image was posted in mid-July of this year. Rhiannon's picture is in keeping, in both style and content, with the 100+ other pictures in her gallery at Renderosity. This image is only one of two and the second image is also in question... Rhiannon's pictures are well documented as to tools/programs, meshes, textures, etc. used. This image does not indicate how it was produced. To me it seems that there is no question of the original artist and copyright holder. C'mon, get with the program guys..." ...and the response I got was this: "Guslaw: as stated before, the editors here are often BUSY and -will- get to it. Please be patient. " It seems that the wheels of justice are turning, turning very slowly, but turning non-the-less... Walter
PoisenedLily posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 11:32 AM
What is there to get to? Its a simple matter of hitting the delete button. Thats it, thats all it takes! Busy my butt!
DarkElegance posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 11:35 AM
~runs in and slides to a halt~whooooooa thought I would miss it today O.O yup skywolf....I KNOW what you mean. I have a gallery too..one that the work is well..you know when you first buy a puter and you are just dilleriouse that you have modernized? and you do something that is cheesy and you are just happy it actually looked like something? because you are use to "traditional" tools and that roller ball mouse is like working with a shoping cart with one broken wheel?~nods~{and I was working with ulead 5 this is like working with broken crayons and torn paper} yup and silly me in my ohh yea ohh yea I made it look like something dillerium submited and IT GOT IN ~cringes remembering ~ the worst work I have done since I was 6. now they wont allow any of my work in. when I wrote and said "obviouse use of digitall tools...what the hey! you have other poser work in there with very obviouse use of the smudge tool and all what the heck is the deal" now they wont respond to any letter and when I submited a piece of mine that is being used in print work {some one wanted it as a print for their wall} they said "obviouse use of digital tools" AND THERE WAS NO POST WORK ON IT! I wrote and told them well by your standards you now have to take out any photoshop done work...psp...ulead...painter...poser...and anything that used anything on a computer..ohhh and scanners are digital tools as well so I guess you dont have a gallery. right now I could submit the mona lisa and it would get rejected. BUT they WILL allow in stolen work apparently. not very very high standards they have there. the pic itself is wonderful and Rhi should have it in. but when they are notified that it is stole and do not IMMEDIATLY take it down...soooooory all respect gone. I know of a few Renderosity Artist there..I think Ectasy has some there because I saw one of the giesha pics there..I have seen some Millenium dragons over there too. But do NOT tick Chad off{god forbid do not question them on their own rules or hypocracy} or hell will freeze over befor you get work in. There is some great work there but chad is a hypocrit.
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JVRenderer posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 11:44 AM
Well, Hell freezes over every winter.... Hell, Michigan that is. And the town south of Hell, is a actually warmer during that time. That town is hotter than Hell. Couldn't resist :) JV
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Rhiannon posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 12:35 PM
UPDATE FROM THE FORUMS AT EPILOGUE: Hi. I just saw this thread, and have removed the pictures in question. As soon as the caching system updates (within a couple of hours) they will be gone. Thanks for the heads-up.. -------------------- -Patrick McEvoy Epilogue editor http://megaflow.epilogue.net ------------------------------------------------- Not bad for a site that has no fulltime admin ... less than 24 hours ... now if they'll kick this person's ass outta' Epilogue, that would be really good. Of course, he/she can just join up anywhere they want to with whatever name they want to and could do it again, with anyone's work. Thieves and liars ... they're all around!! Once again, thank you all so much for your support and the time you've taken to back me up on this. I won't soon forget it!!!
DarkElegance posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 12:56 PM
Rhiannon posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 2:33 PM
This may be the "millionth" time it's been brought up or discussed, I don't know cuz I've never seen the discussions, but short of watermarking all our images here at R'osity, is there a workable solution for this? I know it is totally fullproof, but my personal website is coded so that right clicking does nothing but close the window that the full size image is in. Is there no coding available that would do this? Just asking, so don't throw any tomatos at me. :-)
Celesta posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 2:34 PM
well it's 2:20 pm Central and the image and comments loaded just fine for me, so it hasn't been removed yet. I did notice in reading through all that crap the he said he used neither poser nor bryce to create the image (of course - all he used was right-click mouse). I once put up a website that had some of my own graphics on it but was mainly informational in nature and discovered that the entire site, text and graphics, had been copied and were being used on a dutch site. When I demanded the site be removed I was told I was the thief and presented with the same ultimatum. When I put my images on my website I have tons of code in place to ensure they can't be lifted (as if I'm that good LOL!). I wonder if we shouldn't get together as a community of artists and see whether Renderosity would be willing to do the same. Don't worry, gurl, you're too well-respected and recognized by the digital art community to let too many people get away with this.
bijouchat posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 2:50 PM
well guslaw... :) and that... and Rhiannon's pictures were published long before this upstart decided to right click and steal them, to repost elsewhere. I've seen all manner of idiots do this kind of stuff. They are poseurs. (as opposed to Poser, the program) They live a fantasy online, of someone else other than they are. They steal graphics, indeed anything they wish, and live in a fantasy world of their own creation... Having done graphics for just such a virtual world and confronted way too often with this sorry attitude... I know it only too well. Its why I'm here doing regular 3d art and not doing the gaming/VR worldchat stuff anymore. Yes there are poseurs here that do the same sorry stuff, but at least they are fewer and outnumbered by the majority that see them for the poseurs they are.
DarkElegance posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 4:53 PM
as of 4.52 central time {pm} the pic is still up there. they have not removed it at all. this is just sad....it is simply take the picture down.
https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/
bijouchat posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 5:11 PM
so much for being a serious art site.
DarkElegance posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 5:37 PM
I cant believe with all the posts we all made with the complaits and reports of it the fact they said it would be gone by this afternoon...and it is still there...any validity they had just went out the window with me.
https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/
dialyn posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 5:54 PM
I think it speaks volumes about the site and its administration. I can understand why they wouldn't want to accuse someone without proof...but proof has been given. Could it be they just can't admit they made a mistake allowing these images to be posted???
Rhiannon posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 6:38 PM
yes, I'm becoming a bit more angry about this now ... it's 6:36 CST, and my images are still being displayed. I've cleared my cache and temp files to make sure. I wouldn't submit my art there now if you paid me to.
Charlie_Tuna posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 6:39 PM
Why shouldn't speech be free? Very little of it is worth anything.
bijouchat posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 6:51 PM
as I do a lot of modeling, morph and shader/texture work, and only occasionally use pose sets by others (I don't buy them as a rule, if they come with something else I bought - fine) my work doesn't fall into this category. But to my knowledge, nobody has stolen my artwork... its probably not of the subject matter people enjoy stealing. I'm not exactly keen on elves, fantasy, etc. Nothing against it, simply not my genre. also, there is a lot of work in lighting, camera setup, etc... but then, I don't render in Poser, so its not quite as easy. Photographers don't usually make all the furniture and construct the building they photograph, either. Rhiannon renders in Bryce, I do believe, and again, similar rules apply. She does a lot of post, hair painting, etc, from what I could see in her images. They weren't click and renders.
Rhiannon posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 7:03 PM
Charlie, I'm not sure what your point is, but if it's what I believe it to be, you're missing alot of points. I'd rather not debate what is and is not art, what is mine, what is yours, etc., etc. What I will do is tell you this ... those images that this person is claiming that he created ... he did not. They are my intellectual property ... they came from my head, they have my hand in them, my paint strokes, my colors, my ideas, my technical knowledge, etc., etc. They ARE NOT his, they are MINE. I've sold two prints of this particular piece, and one day I plan to be able to make a living doing what I love to do. And yes, he is a thief and liar, just as someone would be who stole this 3D piece you just posted. If someone wrote me today and asked if they could use this image on their website for something and would give me a credit and a link, I'd more than likely be glad to give them permission to do so. But I will not stand by and allow someone to claim what is mine as their own.
Jumpstartme2 posted Tue, 22 July 2003 at 11:33 PM
As of 11:32 Pm this image is still up... >:(
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Charlie_Tuna posted Wed, 23 July 2003 at 12:58 AM
You guy's cleared your cache file before you went back there?
Why shouldn't speech be free? Very little of it is worth anything.
elizabyte posted Wed, 23 July 2003 at 3:01 AM
Regarding protecting images... No, nothing will work completely. There are a number of things you can do that will discourage, annoy, and frustrate people, but these only work if the person trying to steal your image is not very technically savvy. Anyone who knows anything about how their browser works or knows where to look to find out can get any image they want. bonni
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Phantast posted Wed, 23 July 2003 at 10:11 AM
Sacred hallway by Poserworld, actually.
Charlie_Tuna posted Wed, 23 July 2003 at 1:31 PM
Thanks, Phantast, Shows how long I've had that hallway, forgot where it came from :-)
Why shouldn't speech be free? Very little of it is worth anything.
timoteo1 posted Wed, 23 July 2003 at 9:43 PM
I keep reading posts about stolen art. I'm not a still renderer, so it's never been an issue for me, but I've always known about digital watermarking. If you're really worried about this sort of thing happening, why not start watermarking your work. It is completely invisible to the eye and can survive multiple copies, etc. Digimarc (www.digimarc.com) has an excellent digtally watermark system, and it is included in a number of graphics apps, and I believe is available as a plug-in. It can even track your images use on the web and alert you when it finds your image on someone's web site. Best of luck. -Tim
elizabyte posted Thu, 24 July 2003 at 4:51 AM
It's extremely easy to remove a Digimarc watermark. It takes no special training or ability, just a basic understanding of your graphic program and some time to experiment. The service that "tracks" your images only goes to publically available pages, so anywhere that requires a membership (even a simple one) will be excluded from being searched. I used to use Digimarc until I found out how extremely easy it was to remove the mark. bonni
"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis