Hi, I don't know if anyone has tried the Z-Toon technique yet in Vue, but I have and it works amazingly well. First off, if you don't know what the Z-Toon technique is, it is basically flattening your model in the Z-Dimension.SnowSultan wrote a Poser Tutorial on it, but it works in Vue as well as Bryce and other 3D applications. It seems that this is also how expensive Cel-Shade and Illustration plug-ins work in Lightwave and 3DStudio, so this is an ultra-cheap way to get the effect of a $400 illustration plug-in. First I played around with Mitch's diver scene, that comes with Vue, and flattened the diver in the Y-Dimension instead, instead of Z, since it didn't look right in Z. With some models you may have to use Y instead of Z. Maybe even X. But only flatten in one dimension. I placed the camera directly overhead, loaded the "Others"- "White Back" atmosphere (which has no clouds at all), turned the sunlight colors all to white, and turned off all shadows. Set the sun to Azmuth 180 and Pitch 90. The good camera setting I found was a 100mm lense, which also has a flattening effect. My idea was to set up a "Copy Stand Camera", like the one that is used by graphic houses to copy flat artwork. Mitch's diver, with the water removed, looked just like an Adobe Illustrator type of render once I rendered it with these settings. It's a very different look than what you normally see in Vue renders and some people may think this is crazy, but there is actually commercial art uses for this technique. So it really isn't so stupid, if you know what you are going to do with an illustration. Sometimes a commercial job calls for a "flat art" look, rather than a realistic ray-traced look. This technique gives you an extra trick for using Vue if you like to make money doing graphic illustrations. If anyone wants to try it and come up with an even better way to do this, I would be happy to see it. Ockham wrote a great Python script for Poser to set up a Z-Toon scene and make everything Flat. I ran the script and imported the flat Poser scene into Vue and it worked great and it saves you having to try to flatten your poser models in Vue. There are probably other ways to do this in Vue that might work better in some cases, so I'm open to any ideas that others may have. BTW, this is a great technique too for doing Egyptian and Greek wall-type illustration. My Egyptians and Greek ships look just like art ready for pottery or ancient temple walls.