Dang I am annoying with these LOL Anyway ... I am doing some morphs orc, goblin etc for Mike 3 and one thing that people mentioned about the other one I did was that sometimes they wished he could be more distored and less human. The question then comes to my mind. A. Should I do really distored figure that would have trouble being clothed (unless you used tailor magnets)? B. Should I do something that is more subtle and able to be fit into clothes? C. Should I do both (like I sort of did with my previous orc but more so)? Just checking to see if people really have a problem with clothes not fitting him without work. I still plan on doing some pose file stuff with the normal M3 morphs that should be covered in the Daz provided clothes but they take a lot of extra time and not many people do the extra morphs. Thanks in advance

First, it would depend upon what sort of humanoid... and then how far removed from humans and civilization his race would normally live. A Frost Giant from Permia would not be expected to wear the layers of robes found in the Byzantine courts, for example... a couple of furs around the middle and he'd be in sartorial splendor for his kindred. Since D&D has half-orcs, and orcs have a reputation from Tolkien onward of scrounging armor bits, they should perhaps be able to wear some human clothing. Goblins are supposed to be smaller and trolls bigger. Ogres and Giants run on the XXXXXXXXXX...XL size. (I had to add the elipsis so that the post wouldn't be wider than most monitors.) In Norse mythology, trolls are a bit bigger but have been known to wear human clothes and disguise themselves as human (often for the purposes of trading babies). Those trolls have tails! and ears which hang to the ground!!! A troll woman wanting to take a job washing clothes for the royal palace must tie up her tail and wear a kerchief over her ears if she wants to get past the guards with her laundry basket. BTW, you do know how to tell if your baby is really a troll child? Carolly

I also should ask this for when I am doing the more distored form. 1. Use as many of Mike 3 morphs as I can so ther is a chance of the clothes fitting? 2. Use as many original morphs so it looks different but ther is no way it would fit without tailor and time?

Yep .. I am having to talk in general purposes because I am trying for ogres, trolls, goblins, orcs etc ... Trying to expand the posibilities that I did for the original mike and make so there is more of a reason for pick it up since it adds a lot more to the possibilities. In general I am taking it to the more known version instead of being totally true to the Norse or the even the D&D version. splitting differences, etc. Plus I never liked the D&D troll ;) I know a few ways to tell a changeling but they mostly speak of fae changelings.

Hauksdottir, how do you tell? I think the kids next door might be trolls, they have funny ears and make strange sounds late at night, is there some sort of troll repelent I can get?

It's probably the same method: boil water in an eggshell. Troll babies usually also have a cowlick which cannot be undone or smoothed down even with superglue to hold it in place. ;^) I agree about the flexibility helping sales, since many buyers would like a character to be used in more than one image. However, they don't seem to have a problem with voluptuous or muscular figures looking pretty much the same from scene to scene. Maybe they want Muscular Mike in a business suit... but the Gremlin? Carolly

Pretty much the same method :) True, but a an orc in a bodysuit might be something people want which is where the M3 flexibility would come in. And I have seen the orc in a tux before LOL

I'm working with a highly civilized orc-- he's a scholar and a gentleman, but I'm wierd. I also hate stuff that won't work with clothing. Can't paint it anymore--hands all wonky. Is there a problem including magnets so we could fit loin clothes, capes and pants? at least a way to make the beastmasters thingey work would be a help. I think. Emily

I am not doing any of it with magnets so that is the problem there. That and I am not a big user of them. I have done a little bit with them but not too much. Not that great for what I want to do with them. The orc I just sort of worked out will look fine in whatever M3 clothes are out there without morphs. He will also do well in the daz extra morphable clothes (such as the t-shirt) I am currently just trying to work out for the more extreme characters. I know a lot will be able to be done with the Daz morphs, when they are finished, but I am just trying to see if people want more bestial or more exaggerated. If not then it is no biggie.

Maybe they want Muscular Mike in a business suit... but the Gremlin? Actually, I tried to put the Gremlin in a tux and never got it to quite work. I spent a lot of time trying though. I'd settle for the Gremlin a business suit if it were available. Yes, there's always one in every crowd.

I'd prefer both distorted and normal, like with your orc. I don't know whether you're after ideas on it's apperance or not, but this is what I have always imagined goblins to look like (except less cartoony):

Pretty much, long nose, chin and ears. Thus far I havn't seen any 3d goblins for Poser or otherwise that look like that, so I thought I'd throw that picture your way if you need any inspiration. :-)

Your Redcap got pretty close:

Apart from not being green, or having a long chin, that's what I think a goblin should look like. But enough out of me now. ;-)

I love your M2 Orc, it's one of my favourite figures... can't wait to see what you do with M3!! :-)

Sith Goblin . I think I am doing something that you will be pleased with in my creature set. My redcap was sort of structurally inspired by an Alan Lee illustration from the faerie book and had no chin. For this set I am trying to pull D&D, Warhammer, and Tolkien in as some sort of weird conglomeration.Will be trying to finish up the textures today and then may post a couple of WIPs ...

Great t hear, looking forward to it!! :-D

So .. Uhm anyone else interested in the original topic of clothability? Just checking again since the topic has kinda swerved somewhat

C would be the easy bet. Go as far as you can with clothing compatability, but realise that the (desireable) extreme versions will have difficulty with clothes - just as they would if such creatures REALLY existed and tried to wear the Poser 3 Tuxedo... IMHO