DAZ recently sent us brokered artists another beta, I thought you guys might be interested to see just a little bit of what can be done using Mike 3... The attached image shows a MOR pose I've been working on for Mike 3, via creative use of the dials available in the current beta, as well as one or two additional morphs I've made myself. Mike 3 comes with a couple of morphs type that you haven't seen in any DAZ figure before as a result of the feedback given by the beta testers.... Enjoy P.S. I deleted my previous thread with "Musclebound" in the title out of fear people might think it was an ad...

Looks pretty cool

Looks great. I hope DAZ has corrected the unnatural, over-stretched, half-moon shape of the pectorals that occurs when Mike 2's arms are raised overhead.

well its a start but...... they might want to look at some pro bodybuilding magazine /web sites etc.

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wolf, this is a morph that I'm working on for it utilizing their morphs... and keep in mind that both my MOR pose and Michael 3 are STILL under development and in beta stage

This attached image shows a lighter-weight Michael 3, which I believe is much more along the lines of what you're looking for... the version I showed used additional morphs to increase the size of certain parts and alter the character to MY specific style... Please keep in mind that anytime someone says they're showing a pose/morph they made it's derived from that particular artist's specific tastes.

As well, I often use some pretty extreme lighting poses that sometimes cause oddities in certain areas... since this was just a quick shot since i thought you guys might want to see some of what's in store, I didn't bother to adjust that lighting for less oddities. In the render attached here I used a slightly softer lighting pose.

And yes, the hands and feet are designed to be made larger, however there is currently an unresolved issue with the hand scaling that was not foreseen previously, and they need to make some adjustments to them. As such I will not display the larger hands in combiantion with the morphs at this time.

I decided to, for my MOR file, take into account a little bit of what you said and tweaked the settings accordingly....

Please bear in mind that the attached image is not DAZ's, but mine, utilizing the morphs that were available to me, and having made a couple of extra ones myself to tweak the areas that didn't suit my taste.

Wolf, I took into account the critique you offered, and you should be informed that DAZ's modeler's spent a great deal of time sitting in front of various reference materials of Bodybuilders, etc. to come up with their morphs.... the image you critiqued is mostly my mistakes, not their's. (see image in post 5 for soemthing *closer to DAZ's Full Body morphs)

Thank for the critique, though, I think it helped a bit in my MOR pose :)*

Highly accurate morph work. Note what the steroid use has done to his twig and berries.

Just kidding. His chest and abs look excellent. That squared ridge at the lower outside of his quads needs to be smoothed (looks like somebody cut the bottom of the muscle away a few inches above the knee), but I'm sure they're still messing around with it. Musculature morphs are extremely difficult.

Is the face one of yor mor poses or it was developed by DAZ so He doesn't look like Vicky twin? Anyway it is shaping well, thank you for posting!

Sorry it looks like Vicky trying to be Mike. I really tink it's neat though, But the morphs are just not right looking they look sort of creepy.

I do like some of the stuff you did with the neck and arm creases, But the chest morph is looking more like armor...

I just figured out what the abdomen and chest of Mike3 reminds me of, The Poser 1 male figure. Daz Should have just made Mike better, I can see your having all kinds of problems getting Vicky to look like a man. That explains why Mike 3 looks so freaky wierd and creepy in the chest and abdomen area. That is great if your doing androids and monsters, But hows that going to compeat with the Mike 2 figure if it looks freaky wierd and creepy?

I hope that those wierd areas in the skin are toneing turned waaaay up. If so then I I like everything but the chest it's too square. and pushed together too much at the center.

The chest is also too flat on mike 3.

Good work, It looks like you and cat have been working hard on this figure, I guys did a wonderful job, But I still think it needs tweeking.

Staby, that's my own face pose using DAZ's face morphs. and Mesh_Magick, there are morphs to push together the chest in the center... because different muscular builds will result in different types of chests there... I wanted the pecs to be close together for this character. P.S. Mesh_Magick, is it necessary for you to make 6 posts in order to get your point across? you do it in every thread and the ebots get annoying ;)

BTW, to clarify... the images with my logo on them are the ones based around my specific style... the one without is pretty close (though *slightly* tweaked) to the current state of one of the FBMs... The attached image is a close-up of the face pose.

The face you made looks very good. Could you post a pic with a neutral expression (front and 3/4). Thanks in advance

Mesh you have to remember he is still a work in progress, when he is completed, I would bet he's killer. I'm also a fan of Mike2 and will continue to use him, but mike3 is a needed and welcomed addition. drax that face is great

all else fails you could tranplants M2's head to M3's body. Hmmmm...sounds like an idea...lol dave

I read in a post somewhere that vicky3(don't have her) has a counterpart that has v3's head on the vicky 2 body, is that true?? I also read v3 is very system intense, so if we could have m3's head on m2's body it wouldn't tax your system so much, is that true is that possible?? (I could have misunderstood the post i read, am I making sense I just got up LOL)

Yeah it can be done. There's also a V2 head on V3's body and a M2 head on V3's body. Courtesy of me. Any of the millenium figures are memory intensive PERIOD. dave

Great dave...don't forget that when M3 comes out, I'd sure buy it

dirk , i read somewhere that they will be putting a m3 head on m2 body so we will still be able the m2 clothing. cnat remeber the post though

excellent..that's what i was hoping for

Superheros and body builders are nice but how easy is it to make him look more like a normal guy? You know, not nearly so many bumps and ripples. Maybe some flab and a slight gut? Or a skinny guy? BTW: thanks for the previews.

Jackson. I think he is very versitile and can be used to create a normal guy with ease.

Daz almost always gives you a, for example, V3 head on a V2 body, figure. Like someone else above, I'm pretty sure that M3 will eventually take center stage away from M2. New Tech usually does that. We're not all using Windows 3.0, or Mac OS 7... ;)

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DraX: Hmmmm.. that's the best head I've seen for M3 thus far. So there is hope for the old boy yet!!!

Michael 3 is one of the best models I've worked with so far, aside from Vickie 3. I feel lucky that Daz has put so much work into these models as I could never do such a great job and if you look at some of the models that other folks have been doing that are in the same price range, you will not see better. Most look more like cartoons than people. Mind you, I am not slamming them, they have their place, but I couldn't use them in most of the work I do. Mike has a ton of morphs, I have not posted any because although he is a wip I don't feel comfortable posting a ton of pics here. You will either like him or not. You have the choice to buy him or not. I remember how many folks complained about Vickie 3, yet still bought her, and now some folks rarely use Vickie 2 anymore. I know it's hard to wait, and not see what he's really like. He still has a few tweaks left but all for the better. As for the joints, you will never get them all to look totally human...but Das has come very close, and continues to work on them. Take a look at some of the models available and some of the prices and I think you will see that Daz has made every effort to please folks here by offering quality and decent prices. Marque

Well one flaw I can point out right off the bat is he's missing his twig and berries. Shoot, be as muscular as you want but life's gonna suck without some sex organs. Talk about a self esteem issue. All the chics dig this guy but he's scared to death of sleeping with one of them cause they'll find out and mock him. Perhaps its too many steroids at work. All that muscles can't be natural. Even intersexed people need to pee now and then. Boy, talk about a major flaw. Makes those nit picks about elbow joints a bit petty hmm... (BTW, that's called humor of one didn't catch on).

Say what you will Mason but it could be pretty handy if you could detach them to play sports! 8^P Just think of all the pain you could avoid. lol Marque

Looks like Insomniaworks needs to finish his MaleGen Prop but for M3 :-)

Anybody want the name of my plastic surgeon? lol dave

DraX, the only thing that doesn't look quite right is the distribution of the body fat layer. In some areas, like the rib cage and the sides, it looks like he has 1 or 2%, while he's clearly fleshier in the shoulders, arms, and thighs -- all of which may be contributing to the "body armor" look. It's a nice start, but it still needs some overall balance in body tone.

StrixOwl, Mike 3 comes with articulate genitals, I just chose not to show them for two reasons... 1. I don't enjoy playing with male genitalia (unless of course it's my own ;) 2. It's not an integral part, in my opinion, of the full body morph.

Thanks, Joey... I've still got some tweaking to do for this MOR pose to get it to exactly how I want it... was using Stocky/Heavy morphs to increase the overall size of the arms to my preference, but still have to work on the tone a bit...

Drat! I want to see male genitalia!!

twigs and berries, eh? talk nice and you might get to see M3's. lol dave

I could post a pic of the "twigs and berries" textures I put together for my M3 package.....but I am sure they would just make you cringe LOL Rawnrr

Well.. be careful... Catharina did something similar (so I heard, never actually got to see it) and they removed it from the boards.

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Here is a sample render in my gallery of one of my upcoming textures in the package......(no twigs & berries)....but I am sure you can imaging why they would cause a cringe LOL Rawnrr

Can we see the back muscles? Thanks! Jay

WOW! - great stuff, DraX! thanks for the previews. I'm especially happy to see that we finally have a face that can be morphed into a square-jawed-hero type and those brow morphs with the furrows and creases are awesome - not to mention a great chin dimple! The muscles look good and I'm sure will please a lot of people who prefer exaggerated beefy-types, but what about some slim athletic swimmer-types or marathon runner-types - even ordinary average-guy types - I hope those are not overlooked in the rush to satisfy the demand for super-heros (not that there's anything wrong with super-heros ;-)

Heh heh heh, comparing M2 and M3's pec's - who is the one who has 'boobs' LMAO Drax, outstanding job. I had a play with the musculature last night and could see how someone (like you!) could make a huge guy that was realistic. Being a wrestling fan, anything other than big and muscular looks kinda weird to me nowadays ;)

ronstuff, there's a wide variety of morphs available... you can very easily get an athletic character :) As soon as I finish making my current morph into a pose file (don't want to risk losing the guy ;))

Thread moved to showcase

i have a question for Lyrra why has this thread been there all day and as soon as you get online it's moved. No wonder we don't see any mike3 previews, everything gets whisked somewhere else. Mike3 is a MAJOR release in the Poser world and anything about him should be able to be posted anywhere on this site. I don't usually say much but this is ridiculous.

People, give it a rest. The thread got moved. Big freakin deal. Yeah, if this was about V3, it would have stayed, but let's just get over it and move on, okay?

I feel bad for all the folks working so hard to give us previews and products..that's all...if I was them I wouldn't post anything at all, I'd post it elsewhere. Thanks for all your work guys..

oh I dunno Xena, M2 has traps that'd make Goldberg run to the gym. :)

The moderators are getting me trained, though. I knew when the thread disappeared where to go to find it. Anyway, I think M3 looks great in this post and in the others I've seen. I also appreciate all the posts that were initially in the Poser forum - I would never have looked here otherwise.

cherokee69, If you perform a search on the Poser Forum for Victoria 3, you will find a bunch of links to a message titled "Preliminary Victoria 3 renders (with Daz's permission)" [12/16/02-12/17/02] and its replies. Follow any of the links and it will take you to the message in the Product Showcase forum, even though the links were found by doing a search in the Poser forum. Why? Because the post was moved from the Poser forum to the Product Showcase forum. If I am remembering correctly, this was the first post related to Victoria 3 or a Victoria 3 product, The practice is not new. It is just happening a lot with the M3 posts, because we are seeing a lot of posts previewing M3 and M3 products. I don't remember the same thing happening with V3. Now, can we all stop beating this dead horse? :)

Xena, LOL! - everybody knows that boobs are soft and round-ish while pecs are square-ish and firm therefore if they are round and droopy like M2, they must be boobs! If they are firm, angular and only slightly jigggly they are pecs (except for Pamela Anderson) so these M3 bulges definitely look more masculine than anything I have yet seen on M2.

The Victoria 3 posts got moved, the Michael 3 posts got moved, the Milcat posts got moved, the .... do I need to go on? Yes as soon as the forum moderator comes online the forum is checked. Funny how that works grin DAZ posts its preview threads in the showcase and has caused no ruckus about it. Why other people can't follow their lead is beyond me ... Lyrra the Evil Galactic Overlord

Lyrra, Thank you for moving this one too. Drax and you other merchants, STOP IT!!! You are making some of us incredibly sick and tired of your constant attempts to shove yet another ad for your products under our noses in the Poser Forum when there is an established place here in Product Showcase. You know what you are doing. You are doing it deliberately. You are cheating and finangling and whining when you get caught. A six-year-old eventually learns and obeys the rules or heads into a lifetime of crime. So how about growing up and playing the game by the rules? Carolly

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Carolly, before you go pointing fingers, why don't you turn around and look at what you're pointing a finger at... I posted this thread to show people what could be accomplished with michael 3.0. This community, and the artwork it generates, and the majority of the products which bring revenue into this site and others are based upon DAZ's Millenium products. They're practically the cornerstone of the entire Poser community. I didn't promote any product, other than Michael 3 itself. I was of the opinion that because knowledge of what DAZ is making available with Michael 3 is of interest to the entire community, and as such, being of interest to the entire Poser community, belonged int he forum for the Poser community, not in the Product Showcase, especially considering threads recently asking about Michael 3.0. Now, please, read back over my post and tell me honestly that I ever said I'm doing this MOR pose as a product? Where at all I was trying to promote my own release? You can't, because there isn't one. I jsut said this is a MOR pose I'm working on that I thought the community would wanht to see so that they knew what was in store with Michael 3.0, because in case you forget, there are still a lot of people who barely realise the Showcase exists... but we've been over that one..... I am not cheating anything... I was not deliberately breaking the rules, so please stop presuming to place words into my mouth and intentions into my brain. I try to provide the community with soemthing that may be of interest of them because it is related to the cornerstone of the community aqnd I get bitched at for it, being screamed at for apparently acting like a child? Once again. I NEVER promoted my products in this thread. End of discussion. Case closed, jury dismembered. Sheesh.

Drax, You can keep your nasty-grams to yourself. I archived the IM upon receipt and will do so for anything else. Now to the points.... "Once again. I NEVER promoted my products in this thread. " Your very first post mentioned MUSCLEBOUND MIKE! It was in teensy letters, but it was a reminder to all and sundry that *you are the maker of Musclebound Mikes. A whisper calls attention to itself, and what you want (an assumption based upon the way you keep bragging about having advance access to the model) is attention. Enjoy it. We are not blind. We are not stupid. We don't suffer from memory loss. You could have written it backwards and in purple and it still would have bludgeoned us with your advertising prowess... once again. Your images clearly have your logo pasted on them to clearly distinguish your products (you yourself pointed to it). And you have made us excruciatingly aware that this is a product in beta, that you are a DAZ-brokered merchant, and given us everything but the date and price, both of which are out of your control. "This community, and the artwork it generates, and the majority of the products which bring revenue into this site and others are based upon DAZ's Millenium products. They're practically the cornerstone of the entire Poser community." Aren't you being just the weeist bit egocentric? There are other products by other merchants, and other marketplaces, and a great many artists here at Renderosity who don't even use Poser, much less DAZ models. As much as I respect DAZ, I'd never imply that they were the holy grail of Poserdom and font of all which is blessed, and I certainly wouldn't make that sort of claim for the subset of the Millennium models. (Please note the 2 n's... if you are going to sell them, you ought to know how to spell the word.) This community is not based upon the Millennium products. The community formed long before the first Vicky was designed. The vast majority of items for sale or free are not based upon the Millennium products. You may see only muscles and morphs from one particular product line, but what about buildings, animals, props, backgrounds, lights and all the rest of the things which may go into an image... which might not even have a Mike or Vicky, much less a sword? If you stop posting your ads in the Poser Forum, we will stop complaining about the fact that your ads are in the wrong place. Carolly

Who insulted women...?

i can sense so much love here. :/

Carolly, Musclebound Mike was used to turn heads, put apparently it turned yours into full-on Blair-exorcist mode... that's why "Musclebound" was in quotes. There IS no Musclebound Mike 3, nor will there ever be. Musclebound was one product, created before Mike 2.0 because I felt that the only alternative at the time didn't measure up. That given, there would be absolutely no reason for there to actually be a Musclebound Mike 3. The Muscle morphs out of the box are just fine. In other words, it was a BIG FAT HAIRY JOKE.

Perhaps I should have left that thread and title because it started with a line saying flat out that no, there's isn't a Musclebound Mike 3 and never will be, but I figured it was a good way to turn some heads. Then I removed that because as I said, the purpose of the post was not to advertise my own products, and that would no doubt lead people to believe that's what I was doing. The logo was to distinguish between what comes from DAZ out of the box and what wasn't. My products revolve around clothing and props made for Mike 3, so what good would showing him naked do for the sales of those products?

You, however, apparently have bred this deep seeded hatred for me and feel it necessary to presume upon the purposes of my actions without even knowing me and attack me on every opportunity. Did I say soemthing to personally offend you or did you just suddenly decide that you had a right to bludgeon people and that you were this high and mighty spokeswoman for the entire Poser community?
It is the place of the moderators, not you, to decide where the post belongs. It is the place of the moderators, not you, to judge the meaning and purpose of my post to determine whether or not it violates the rules. They felt it promoted Mike 3, so they moved it. FINE.

That does not give you card-blanch to verbally bash me on the premise that you think I was pimping my own products. I was in fact not. Choose to believe or disbelieve it, but do not attack me as you have, it is completely unwarranted, utterly childish, and completely rude.
When all is said and done, I was promoting DAZ's (which is why the moderators moved it).

Well, in a way, Drax, you can't take Carolly personally. She seems to react that strongly to many things. She's just not the most diplomatic. Kind of like MM.

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Caly, I know she can react quite strongly, but there comes a time when enough is enough. It doesn't give her an excuse. Then again, at least she gathers her thoughts into one post, unlike MM. ;)

I believe the morphs are pretty nice looking. I have also learned to surf both the Poser Forum and the Product Showcase Forum - mostly 'cause of all the complaints about ads in the Poser forum. I agree that M3 and the various MilPeople (and Koshini) ARE the cornerstone of Poser right now - many if not most of the items in the Marketplace are related to a MilPerson one way or another. I think everybody who's really unhappy about forum placement needs to take a deep breath and ask themselves if it really matters in the grand scheme of things? Those who want to look at upcoming things (regardless if they will ever be on sale or not) should go to the Product Showcase, people with technical questions and the like should go to the Poser Forum. Yes, the Poser Forum is the most read, and the best way to get something in front of the most viewers. Perhaps there should be more education on using the Product Showcase forum? Then it can get more users, our merchants (and those making stuff for the heck of it) can get more eyeballs on their products, and everybody can go back to being unhappy with each other over more important stuff, like will Poser 5 ever be completely debugged? ;)

actually i am getting used to looking at the product showcase when i first come to the forums. and they said i was untrainable :P

I don't even care anymore............

play nicely folks I prefer not to delete or lock threads, but will do so if this continues to be an open flame war.

Convenient how you say this now, when you recieved my IM last night when the flaming started and allowed it to continue anyway.

...sigh... First, he is looking very nice. The muscle variations/problems will probably be a matter of choice, and a few days after he's actually released there will be a number of variations begun to expand his morphs by the great morph artists here. He looks pretty good now, give him a month and he'll look spectacular. Second, there are a few people here who tend to say things the worng way, and rub a lot of us. They usually have good intentions, but tend to, uh, state things roughly. It can be irritating sometimes. Sometimes it's best to ignore the language and scan the thread for what IS useful in it (if anything). Third, DraX doesn't seem to be promoting anything he has for sale, he's just sharing what the new morphs look like. Some of us have been awaiting M3 for a long time, and his preview is more in the way of a technical review of the figure rather than a sales boost. I know it's a fine line, but hey, it's just a thread. We don't really need WW3 over this one. Keep it in mind folks, it's just a thread. No one will starve to death because this one was in the Poser forum instead of Product Showcase. Forth: Carolly, I agree with 90% of the things you say, but boy, sometimes how you say them! Life of crime for a 6 year old? You'd get a better response and hearing if you toned it down a tad (but don't change your views, they're too good to miss). Gosh, I hope I get to post this before the thread locks. And it IS good to be home.

pdxjims, Welcome back! And, yes, I do dip my tongue in acid before typing. Since I don't put cream in my coffee, I hesitate to even guess at the pH! Carolly

Hi, I'd love to see any new body/head morphs that are available for M3! Please keep me posted on when they will be available...

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hallo! i wonto know if the man are build with poser or with Morph Master Pro 2.0 Were i can download Morph Master Pro 2.0?