I hope you folks don't mind me posting some things that you can do with C3. I'm always a little skeptical about paying good money for updates unless they are worth it. Personally, I enjoy seeing what can be done with updates before I jump in and buy. Hence my posts... This image is the stock Burr Oak tree from the C3 plant generator. I did texture the tree but didn't change any of the geometry parameters. What really impresses me about the leaves is the fact that they are actual meshes. You can even create your own leaves if you want to. No more transparency map issues. All parts of the tree including trunk bend and gravity/sagging are editable. Size, quantity, and shape of everything is completely in your hands; even how the branches and leaves project outward from their parent object. Pretty cool. Mark