I was at the newstand today and came across a new British magazine called "3d World". It was their first issue and they have included Bryce 3d as a bonus on the cd. Now I'm sure it's not as good as Bryce 4, but if you don't have that (and can't afford to get it) this will certainly be useful. Also, according to the magazine you will be able to upgrade to Bryce 4 at a reduced price. Was hoping to tell you if it worked well, but I took a look at it and soon realized that I'll have to get a manual at the store.