I just got a Cinema4D6 CE in french Pixel magazine... A great soft especially for modelling...And just 99euros if you want to unlimited render res. That's why I will move to an other forum, coming here from time to time...I think I'll keep Vue for my children it's easy to use, C4D seems not so easy to understand :=) Anyway bye to all my old and new friends, "ce n'est qu'un au revoir",... ;=) Yves