I just redownloaded the Vue demo today, and gave it a second go. This is like the third Vue image I've attempted...lol I still prefer bryce and had been trying to make a similar image there, with no luck...lol I wish there was a way to transfer Vue files into Bryce for modeling and matting and rendering. LOL Anyhow, I would love to do more with this pic, (like make it's counterpart in Bryce *winks*) but Vue crashes my system when I get too far into a pic, and had to shut down everything save for Explorer, systray, and Vue to get this far. On the to do list, finish fish tank room, finish *wonders off listing all the WIPS started that need done...lol* anyhow, would appreciate come comments, even tho is Vue to this point, it will be duplicated as much as possible in Bryce in the near future...grins Thanks!! Jen