(ready to toss it out already) Ok, info on the disk, if anyone's interrested. From thi sdisk, You can install anything that they currently offer, from plain C4D 8 to the ultimate mega pack, the Studio Bundle.. The Studio bundle with the appropriate manuals takes over 1000 mb in disk space, so that's up to you... I installed that version, and It still don't work on my pc. After calling tech support, and going through a list of standard troubleshooting questions (pc capacity all around) The tech determined that I must not have the newest version of Win 98 SE.... (like there is a newer version..LOL) I've got all the microsoft updates and what nots, but the C4D refuses to work, however I can use BodyPaint 3d, but I don't have poser, so oh well.... Anyhow, the disk rocks... not sure about the program...LOL digs way back into Bryce cause we know it's really better anyway JenC