DarkElegance opened this issue on Sep 30, 2003 ยท 32 posts
DarkElegance posted Tue, 30 September 2003 at 1:00 AM
I wish to say two things befor I start..one I apologize now to the admins as I know this is gonna come accross as catty..and two I am in no way offended by the pics I am commenting on as they are very well done. with that said... Recently there was a thread or several that brought to attention the TOS and removal of pics due to content and things being touched etc etc. Several people including myself have either willingly removed pieces or have had them removed due to content or things touching other things that are not allowed by the TOS.{again please note that these pics do not offend me at all} YET..... this eve while looking through the gallery I was amazed to see at least two pics with out right touching of female parts that were noted as being not allowed. no way around them pure flat out sexual contact. This is all well and good. but I think if you are going to remove some art for contact{such as the piece that was removed because of a clit piercing} or for showing certain parts..that you should be consistant with it and not allow it at all. I am not offended by the content of the images..but offended that only some are geting penalized for it and some arent. There needs to be a consistancy with enforcing the TOS. {and yes I know that probably if they buckled down on the TOS a few more of my pics would not be allowed even though I try very hard to stay in it..but fact is I dont see anything wrong with nudes} I mean ...recently I started a gallery at renderotica due to not wishing to cause renderosity grief that may come from my more edge pushing pieces.{i.e. fetish pics and pics that show full frontal and sometimes legs parted shots} and tonight I see pics that are far worse then some I see removed. It is not fair that some of us are being moved to starting other galleries to make the critics happy while others get to show pics with genital contact and breast contact. ~sighs~ ok nuff rant...but I had to say something on this...if that makes scence
https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/
Jumpstartme2 posted Tue, 30 September 2003 at 2:24 AM
Makes perfect sense to me DE...'Rosity needs to get with the program. Period. The inconsistancy around here is what most of the battles are about...'Rosity just isn't listening. As I have said before, you can't just leave some things up in the galleries and elsewhere on this site that are against TOS..UNTIL someone complains, and then when the complaints start coming in over 'certain' images, they remove it stating that it goes against TOS... Granted alot of images are uploaded here daily, but 'Rosity staff should be able to handle reviewing these images..and a good rule of thumb would be, don't allow it to post publicly until it has been established that it does indeed fit within the TOS. {And still nobody is certain what 'Family Friendly' is around here...we're all still wondering when that is going to be addressed}} If 'Rosity is getting too big to have every image reviewed before it goes public, then sipmly hire more staff.
~Jani
Renderosity Community Admin
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Jumpstartme2 posted Tue, 30 September 2003 at 2:27 AM
sipmly=simply..ARRRGGHH!! Another complaint..we need 'edit buttons!' ~lol~
~Jani
Renderosity Community Admin
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PunkClown posted Tue, 30 September 2003 at 2:27 AM
I don't think this comes across as catty, it is fair enough to expect rules to be applied equally, nothing wrong with that. Could you please IM me (or any mod/admin that happens to be online when you read this) with the url or names of the images you are referring to so they can be reviewed. Thanks.
PunkClown posted Tue, 30 September 2003 at 2:30 AM
P.S. I am sure Renderosity is listening jumpstart, I'm just not sure how practical some of the suggestions for the fixes are. :-)>
ladynimue posted Tue, 30 September 2003 at 6:29 AM
Thanks for your comments and observations :)
As much as we would like to review each and every image the moment they are posted - this is just not possible.
The solution:
to not post Any Images until they have been approved.
to have several around the clock gallery moderators who did nothing but view each image as it was posted.
However, for now, we do count on members to help us catch images that might have gotten by us - Please also note that we do our best to be fair and consistant with enforcing the TOS!
Thanks again for your input and for your concerns to make Rendersotiy a better community for everyone.
Also, if you do see an image that you feel is a TOS violation, please IM an moderator right away so we can review it.
ladynimue
bclaytonphoto posted Tue, 30 September 2003 at 10:19 AM
Jumpy...having an approval period isn't a practical idea.. Some galleries such as Poser,fractal, and Terragen are extreemly busy galleries.. It takes a fare amount of our time to go thru each and every image.. Try it for your self.. As to the TOS, every "law" is to some degree open for interpetation.. As an example, look the recent debate about the "do not call list".. We do discuss images if we are not sure, and no we don't always agree.. Images do "fall thru the cracks"... it's going to happen no matter how many mods we have.. As it was stated above, if you see an image that you think violates the TOS, just show it to one of the Mod team.. "Rosity just isn't listening" I'm now the third moderator to reply to this thread, so I do think we are listening.. You may not like the answers you are getting, but we are listening.. Bruce "Pushinfaders"
Jumpstartme2 posted Tue, 30 September 2003 at 10:34 AM
Jumpy...having an approval period isn't a practical idea.. Ok, fair enough..so what else can be done? Some galleries such as Poser,fractal, and Terragen are extreemly busy galleries.. It takes a fare amount of our time to go thru each and every image.. Try it for your self.. Granted, those are all busy galleries..but I don't think you're going to see much risqe images in the fractal gallery or Terragen...mainly this type problem occurs in the Poser gallery. Why not put more mods in there?... I know at any one time there are 1000+ members online..why not get more mods together, and see what time differences they have..or when they can be onsite to review images...get all the hours covered and there ya go. Couldn't this, or a variation of it work? "Rosity just isn't listening" I'm now the third moderator to reply to this thread, so I do think we are listening.. You may not like the answers you are getting, but we are listening.. Sorry Bruce, my comment about 'Rosity not listening' I think has spewed forth from other areas that 'Rosity 'really' isn't listening or repsonding...and the comment wasn't really aimed at mods...I should have clarified.
~Jani
Renderosity Community Admin
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tammymc posted Tue, 30 September 2003 at 11:33 AM Site Admin
We are working on having a new community structure in place to handle just these kinds of things. The mods and admins are working through the details at the moment. tammy
DarkElegance posted Tue, 30 September 2003 at 12:26 PM
I know that renderosity is trying that is apparent with all the work they have been doing. I mean look at it..they DO try and work with people here. I understand{as alot here do}that siting in front of a puter day in and day out grading every pic entereed is not feasable. I do not know what the perfect solution is. I wish I did. I do thank the admins. to my ears my words sounded catty, I was miffed so to speak and wrote in miffed state.
https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/
tammymc posted Tue, 30 September 2003 at 12:35 PM Site Admin
It is ok, DarkElegance. We have some work to do and are trying to get there. Thanks for commenting on our efforts. Very nice to hear. tammy
bclaytonphoto posted Tue, 30 September 2003 at 12:57 PM
Jumpstartme2, I agree, TG and Fractals may not have the same type of issues that say, Poser and Photography and 2D do... But, they are busy galleries, and therefore there are COMMENTS that need to be reviewed as well.. My hat goes off to the Poser Mods, because, It is a lot of work to deal with all of that.. As Tammy stated, we are working on a new community structure for these things.. I think the solution we are working on is going to help out a lot in this area..Be a little patient, and you will see some improvement in this area. We do help each other cover the busy areas.. You may not see it, but we do.. Bruce
Jumpstartme2 posted Tue, 30 September 2003 at 2:35 PM
Sorry guys/gals if I have been coming across as waspish here of late..some things just have gotten to me, and I have been quite a bit more 'mouthy' than I usually am on here. I too am beginning to see a bit more cooperation from admins as well as mods..just by giving a bit more feedback to members like Im seeing here, goes a long way IMO. ;)
~Jani
Renderosity Community Admin
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tammymc posted Tue, 30 September 2003 at 5:56 PM Site Admin
thanks jumpstartme2.
Spike posted Tue, 30 September 2003 at 6:03 PM
Hey, Thanks!
You can't call it work if you love
it... Zen
Tambour
bclaytonphoto posted Tue, 30 September 2003 at 7:11 PM
thanks jumpstartme2 We all have our "moments"...I know I do..
PunkClown posted Tue, 30 September 2003 at 7:15 PM
Heh heh...PunkClown sheepishly puts his hand up for that one too Thanks jumpstart. :-)>
Jumpstartme2 posted Tue, 30 September 2003 at 11:42 PM
Group Hug! Group Hug! :D
~Jani
Renderosity Community Admin
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DarkElegance posted Wed, 01 October 2003 at 12:04 AM
Stormrage posted Thu, 02 October 2003 at 1:14 PM
hmm why not have a link/button to report said picture to mods/admin as a breech of TOS. It could shoot off an email with the url to the mod or admin and they could quickly review it.
Stormrage posted Thu, 02 October 2003 at 1:19 PM
hmm why not have a link/button to report said picture to mods/admin as a breech of TOS. It could shoot off an email with the url to the mod or admin and they could quickly review it.
DarkElegance posted Thu, 02 October 2003 at 7:27 PM
I have been thinking on this for awhile...I think I was more miffed at the ""morality police" then the admins/mods. they jump at the bit{the morality police} to complain and report certain pics and then ignore others. I guess that is what miffed me. it is like politicians that ignore what people in their own political party are doing yet scream and holler at the opposing parties real or imagined wrong doings. it just rubbed my fur the wrong way. again I do apologize to the admins and mods. it just gets frustrating. as I said I just started a gallery at rotica ...and my work is like kids play compared to some there. my work doesnt fit in there either as it is not x rated at all not even barely r rated. my work and others here that are being forced to turn from renderosity are not "hard core" are not "explicate sexual contact" they are pictures showing body parts that we all have. Our work doesnt fit into a site that houses work of very explicate and sometimes over the line art. showing a woman reclineing with her legs parted is not explicate unless you have never seen a womans privates. showing a fetish pic with a certain part pierced is not explicate sexual contact. But those of us that are pushing the evenlope to explore nudity and fetish art....are being made to feel as if we are some deviants. looking through roticas galleries...my work is so tame it is not funny. I am {as I am sure other artists are} frustrated that we are being forced from Renderosity. and that is why I started this thread. We talk about the viewers rights..but again {ad naseum} we..the artist have a right too. if we are flagging tagging flashing red lights..what ever..to warn a viewer of possible nudity or controversial matter and THEN they look ..it is THEIR responsability for what they are looking at. not the artist for posting it. BUT it is the artists responsability to mark, flag, tag what ever the art. ~sighs~ I do not know. I guess I am just frutrated with a double standard the "morality police" are forcing down all of our throats.
https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/
DarkElegance posted Thu, 02 October 2003 at 7:27 PM
I have been thinking on this for awhile...I think I was more miffed at the ""morality police" then the admins/mods. they jump at the bit{the morality police} to complain and report certain pics and then ignore others. I guess that is what miffed me. it is like politicians that ignore what people in their own political party are doing yet scream and holler at the opposing parties real or imagined wrong doings. it just rubbed my fur the wrong way. again I do apologize to the admins and mods. it just gets frustrating. as I said I just started a gallery at rotica ...and my work is like kids play compared to some there. my work doesnt fit in there either as it is not x rated at all not even barely r rated. my work and others here that are being forced to turn from renderosity are not "hard core" are not "explicate sexual contact" they are pictures showing body parts that we all have. Our work doesnt fit into a site that houses work of very explicate and sometimes over the line art. showing a woman reclineing with her legs parted is not explicate unless you have never seen a womans privates. showing a fetish pic with a certain part pierced is not explicate sexual contact. But those of us that are pushing the evenlope to explore nudity and fetish art....are being made to feel as if we are some deviants. looking through roticas galleries...my work is so tame it is not funny. I am {as I am sure other artists are} frustrated that we are being forced from Renderosity. and that is why I started this thread. We talk about the viewers rights..but again {ad naseum} we..the artist have a right too. if we are flagging tagging flashing red lights..what ever..to warn a viewer of possible nudity or controversial matter and THEN they look ..it is THEIR responsability for what they are looking at. not the artist for posting it. BUT it is the artists responsability to mark, flag, tag what ever the art. ~sighs~ I do not know. I guess I am just frutrated with a double standard the "morality police" are forcing down all of our throats.
https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/
pierrecolat posted Thu, 02 October 2003 at 8:55 PM
"double standards" surely not?
DarkElegance posted Thu, 02 October 2003 at 10:46 PM
the admins get the brunt because of complaints. they get the focus. that is why I wrote again after thinking and thinking and thinking that it was not the admins but the "morality police" that had miffed me. the admins get the heat though. Illusion thank you for your compliment of my work. just..I am not the only artist that is geting frustrated. there are many here that get the same bullseye painted on them. I am just...totally confused as to what makes the "MPs" go rabid. I know renderosity is trying. we all know this. I just wish to kind of yell HEY OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE BEHIND THE SCREENS because they know it is mixed content...they know it is going to be nudity and erotica. {heck with some folks anything nude or in tight cloths is erotica} there was another instance...of a pic being pulled due to blood and a severed hand { I think it was a hand} the pic was in the horror genre and someone got upset because there was blood and body parts...I mean come on! this would be like going to go see one of the jason movies and then complaining it was violent. you would get laughed out of the movie theater! the same with the nudity. it is flagged. it is tagged.. and you go look and guess what NAKEDNESS GUH I am going on a rant. and I hate to tell some of you if you think there is a teenager out there that is on the net and has NOT seen nudity you are soooooooooooooo fooling yourself. and no the naked pic of vicky did not spoil todays youths or make them sexual. that naked picture of vicky is not warping teens or childrens minds. there are far far faaaaaaarrrrrr worse things out there to worry about then a poser render of a fake woman being naked.
https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/
DarkElegance posted Thu, 02 October 2003 at 10:49 PM
oh and P.S. Illusion I was really pushing the envelope per se on that pic "drawn" that to me was scandolouse then I went to look at renderotica...trust me my pic is childs play!
https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/
Jumpstartme2 posted Fri, 03 October 2003 at 7:28 AM
I agree that people with the nudity filter on have no business looking at images containing nudity and then complaining about it.. I have been accused countless times of being the MP around here, simply because I prefer to not see nudity..it doesn't offend me, but for my children, I set the filter..then Im accused of being a 'prude' and told if I dont want my children to see it, then I can go elsewhere...THAT miffs me.. Sure, its a mixed medium of images, but the filters were put in place for a reason. Im sure there are those 'actual' MP's out there who refuse to use the filters, and want to complain..but I figure if they are doing that, then THEY are the ones who do not need to be here..not me. If there is something I want to look at here, that I know contains nudity, then I wait till my children aren't around..but if they are viewing the galleries WITH me, then I set the filter..the only real time I complain about images, its in the banner ads...there is STILL no way to filter those.. Btw, DE..I see nothing 'porno' about your images ;)They are very well done :) Now, I wil sit back and wait for the flames to come..:D
~Jani
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AsherD posted Fri, 03 October 2003 at 1:11 PM
Thanks for your input, everyone. I agree, illusions, there should be no double standard regarding male/female nudity. I'll bring this up for discussion with the other admins and mods. --Asher
DarkElegance posted Fri, 03 October 2003 at 1:27 PM
~smiles~ Jump...I have children. Do I let them come and look at renderosity? not with out me siting there. I show them some of the amazing fea and unicorns etc {heh the stuff girls are sooooooo thinking are cccccuuuuuute} when they get old enough I will do what my mom did for me she allowed me to make an informed choice. Did she give me free rein to go and just look at any ole thing..nnnnnnooo..but nudity was not something bad in our house. so for me growing up. I never saw it as dirty. Do I think all art is ok to be viewed by anyone. -my personal choice- is no. but that is -my- choice. I choose not to view some things. and choose not to allow my children to. that is the beauty of choice. but at the same time I am not screaming at someone "you cant see that it is dirty!" it is their choice to make. and as they have a choice to NOT look/view some things...I have a choice TO look/view things and make my own judgement for my family. trust me, I do not agree with all subject matters. but when we are talking about just nudity....JUST nudity. ~shakes her head~ that is like judging and condeming the greatest artist of all...Our creator. and frankly I am a big girl...I can safely make my own choice of what to look at. I mean I am not runing around the house with scissors...not playing with the hair dryer while bathing...so I think I am fairly intellegant{even if my spelling sucks}I have -my- right to choose. they have a right to choose to see it or not. if they choose to see it and then yell bloody murder...~just shakes her head~
https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/
Jumpstartme2 posted Sat, 04 October 2003 at 6:56 AM
See? I can't phrase anything right ~lol~ DE and Illusions..Im AGREEING with yas! :D ;) There should be no double standards for male/female nudity. And Paul, like I said..sometimes I have my filters off..so I see alot here ;) And sometimes I have seen things here that made me go.."WTF?!" hehe We all have a right to see or not to see, and we all have the right to post/draw/create what we want to..we still just need to figure out what can be posted here, and what can't..and WHY. Im not sure about the reasoning behind some male/female nudity issues..but I think it would stem from the female being seen as a sexual creature..whereas the male is seen as a masculine creature...not my choice, but its seen that way by many.. there I go again..blabbering and not making myself clear again...should'a just said "I agree" hehe
~Jani
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DarkElegance posted Sat, 04 October 2003 at 2:00 PM
Jumpstartme2 posted Sun, 05 October 2003 at 9:15 AM
BG
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