Even though the work in general is technically perfect, I find almost 95 percent of the Poser Hot 20 pictures mind-numbingly boring... Blondes caressing unicorns in the sunset,elves riding fluffy dragons in the sunset or aryan couples kissing in the sunset for example.Almost all of the pictures look air-brushed to death, and the characters usually look bored rigid.

Yaaarghh, why this manic preoccupation with fantasy estethiques? Why not try render something from real life for instance? Go to the Magnum photo archives, or borrow some books on art or (prefereably) some photo books. Get out of that overdone fantasy genre, and rock the world with something new!

I mean the next time I see a female elf riding a dragon into the sunset I am gonna throw up over the keyboard.

Stig,

It's funny how the same names keep popping up too (yes I know my gallery is empty, no plans to add anything either) Seems to me & a few I've spoken to that it's being hijacked by certain individuals & their simpering cohorts to showcase their dross, apologies to the really talented people who get their stuff shown. But I do actually like seeing the odd Elf riding a Dragon pic from time to time :)

Stig, there is an easy solution: You don't like Fantasy, than don't look! But please don't grace a whole genre with your contempt, it's rude! Dani

Fantasy in itself isn't the problem. I think too many of us are pre-occupied with using poser just to create "realistic" renders, instead of pushing the proverbial envelope and using it as a basis for something much more creative. Let's face it, you can make an image look as photorealistic as possible, but it's still no more interesting than taking a photo of someone. In fact, a photo is probably far more intriguing. There are some VERY talented people who submit their works here. But there are very FEW who come up with original concepts for their art. I'm not criticizing anyone for trying their best. Spending hours on a piece takes patience and diligence, and for that everyone should be commended. However, I think there is a lot to be said for originality and conceptual creativity. The only thing I would like to see more of is for the artists in this community to start thinking more "out of the box" when it comes to setting up their works. The software you use is just a tool. Art comes from you. All in all, I don't agree that the entire top 20 is "boring". I think there's some really inspiring pieces of art there, but in my opionion the problem is too many duplicate ideas that aren't reworked to the next level.

I haven't ever participated in the Poser Hot 20, but I can tell you that most of my art is in the Fantasy realm. That's the ideas that come to my head, so that's the idea that get put out. If someone finds that boring, not my problem, they don't have to look at my work. However, if someone is going to complain about the lack of something original or different, seems to me that maybe they should put their money where their mouth is and create something different themselves and put it out there for everyone to see; instead of just critizing others.

Hehe. Touche! Good point, elektra. ;-)

Ah, so only those who try are allowed to critize ?
Hmmm.

I can partially relate to the comment of churning out pictures with the same items over and over again. Why not stop using unicorns, elves, dragons, etc. and go for something new?

When's the last time you saw a manticore or a sphinx in a picture?
Why not try to be creative and create your own mythological beast? Hey, there is a new and interesting contest to work on...

Why should only the ancient creative people have the right to make up imaginairy animals?
Surely, in this day and age, we lack good imagination on new and 'improved' models.

Just my EUR 0.02.

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Fascinating thread. I like fantasy myself, but I agree that it can seem a bit much here, because there's so much of it. And I agree, too often we fail to take it to the next level. I don't think you need to be a great artist to criticize art. You don't need to be a filmmaker to review a movie, do you? Zhurok, what do you think of the "gallery picks of the week"? They are usually more original than the Hot 20. And why don't you go through the galleries and post your own list of fantasy-free recs? I'm sure a lot of us would check them out if you did.

No anyone can critisize, that's pretty darn obvious, but it makes me think of people who live in democracies, complain about how they don't like this or that, but never vote. If you're going to point out something is wrong, how about at least coming to the table with some ideas on how it could be improved? If you think there is a better way, show us! If I were a modeler, I'd gladly create my own critters, but I don't know much at all about modeling and with fulltime work, part time school, and still learning the in's and out's of some of the more affordable programs, I haven't gotten to modeling. So, I use what models I purchase, and my art is based on that and what comes to mind. Everyone has the right to create and make up what they wish. I would not mind seeing either a Manticore or Sphinx, heck I would love to see a gryphon or minatour! I really haven't seen many models around on any of these, but maybe I'm not looking in the right places. Is there any of those critters offered here? But it seems to me that many folks are happy to complain about this or that, but how many are willing to step up to the plate and actually do something about it? If you think there is a lack of creativity and originality, then show us something new!

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Zhurok, what do you think of the "gallery picks of the >week"? They are usually more original than the Hot 20.

I did, and I must say that it blew me away. What a refreshing change and how much more exciting than the Hot20! Now I know where to go to find original artwork. Amazing stuff, now I got my faith back in regards to Poser...I have one question though, why dont these people show up more often at the Hot20? Who picks the Hot20?

Stig,

The last time I posted an image here was back in 2000. It's 2003 now, and the software has made some great advances over the years. Plus it's more easy to impliment scenes from poser into other more advanced software that can take full advantage of one's visualizations. I'm not intentionally criticizing anyone for their style preferences. All I'm doing is elaborating on the original post in this thread. In fact, whenever I'm inclined to comment on an image in the galleries, I almost always give positive reinforcement to the artist for their efforts. That being said, it just seems to me that some people may be holding back with what they are capable of posting to the galleries. Could it be because there seems to be an overwhelming partiality to only one or two types of artistic style genres?

elektra wrote: > If you think there is a lack of creativity and > originality, then show us something new! Because I suck at Poser! :) I love the program, but all I do is doodle around with it and create really boring pictures. Thats why I like to see top quality renders made by someone else who are much more clever at it than I. Not only is it aesthetically pleasing, but I also learn a bit or two about possibilities and techniques. When I got to the Hot20 I expect to see just that, but it seems some of the original work that I see elsewhere dont appear there...instead I am treated, month after month, to blondes carresing elves (or something) just like the froncover of a 80's poodle rock LP album...[flame suit on] Stig,

Zhurok, you don't suck bro. I think "The Gazed and the Submissive" is a pretty cool image. :-)

Try the Poser Community Home page, it has some nice "overlooked" works. As for the Hot 20, change it to 3 votes per person/week and you would see a very different and much better "Hot 20".

I must agree that fantasy images, by and large, don't interest me, my forte is sci-fi/cyberpunk stuff, not much of that kind gets posted (in relation to fantasy/pin-up images). But that isn't to say that the images aren't good or art etc, everybody has their own likes/dislikes. The Hot 20 has always, or at least, as much as I remember, been plagued by comments about how it is organised. I never look at it, my hot 20 will undoubtedly be different from somebody else's anyway, I take time to look at the images in the gallery and comment/rate those which do appeal. There are some amazingly original and very striking work being done with Poser in the gallery. All you have to do is go looking for it. best wishes Jody

One thing that you could do if you think the Hot 20 isn't so hot, is find graphics you do like, and actually vote for them. It's a popularity contest, afterall, so enough of you who dislike what is currently on the Hot 20 actually got your hand out of your pocket, then you could click other artists into the Hot 20. It's like people who complain about the government but never go to the voting booths so a minority of people actually elect who governs. If you don't vote, don't bother to complain. Not voting means you like the status quo so you'll continue to see the preferences of others. If you don't care enough to vote, then don't visit the Hot 20 because you didn't participate anyway. That simple. It doesn't take an artist to figure that one out. And one other thing you could do is promote artists that you feel are overlooked. Dee-Marie doesn't have to be the only one to post lists of "finds." Anyone can do it. And that's one way treasures are uncovered. Of course that takes more effort than complaining. But it is a suggestion that might actually accomplish something.

I've actually pretty much given up looking at the poser galleries, but if you want to look at some absolutely astounding work check out the gallery of Hobbit (he uses mostly Bryce) his work deserves to be in every hot 20 on the site :) ps dialyn I do vote but I never see anything I vote for in the hot 20 Bring Back Legume, Bring back the Pink Pony!!!!!!

addendum!!! How can anyone get into the hot 20 when 2 or 3 people (& it's always the same ones) get all their croneys to vote for them? They consistently have pics that get 20-30 votes within 24hrs of being posted (always the same people voting)& the comments shoot from 0 to 100 within the same amount of time. The hot20 would be better & more varied if people were limited to 1 pic in the hot20 a week especially when the people I mention up there seem to churn out a new pic every day.

I think I already went through that. If people voted more (not less), then you would see a shift...especially if the discontent people voted. I've seen graphics that were largely ignored get into the Hot 20 because someone bothered to make the effort, post on a thread "look, isn't this neat" and drew people to take a look. If you want someone else to do the work, then accept the work that results. If you don't want to vote, you don't want to seek out new talent on your own, you don't want to do anything except whine that there's nothing worth seeing, than accept the consequences. The fault isn't really in the symstem. It is in the inertia of the membership. I accept it. I never look at the Hot 20 anymore because I know what I'll find there, but I still vote because that's my responsibility and I don't give a hang nail if no one else does. You have a choice of action, or inaction. Pick it, stick with it, and live with it. But don't tell me you don't see what you like on the Hot 20 if you do nothing except start threads like this. Another idea is to look outside the Poser crotch...sorry, I meant Poser box. There are wonderful graphics outside of the Poser gallery. Some fine artists post Poser in other galleries. Stretch your virtual legs. It's worth the trip. Off to work. Have a good day all.

Stig - I don't think you suck at Poser, but maybe if you spent more time with it, you'd like what you see in your own work. Is there another app you're good with? dialyn - what you said!

I don't look at the Hot 20 .. End of debate :)

Handing sticks out.... See dead horse...... NOW BEAT IT!!! I totally agree with Dialyn. The ones who don't vote give up their rights to complain. so ROCK THE VOTES!! JV

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the only time the hot 20 wasn't boring was when we filled it with Legume's pics.

lelionx that was a great day indeed :)

I didn't look at any of the elves riding into the sunset or NVITWS or whatever, but I HAVE seen several references to Legume. When is he going to make an appearance? One big problem with an artist's site like this is that if everyone is an artist, then it demystifies the formerly elite calling that artists used to aspire to. So if you have 50,000 or 100,000 artists and only 5 or 6 meek, humble, talentless spectators, it's inevitable that boredom is going to set in at some point. If you have another "elf in the sunset" or NVITWS posted every 30 seconds, it stops being special and starts looking more like an assembly line.

ya- the hot 20 shouldn't be based on votes it should be the 20 most viewd THIS WEEK just like the contest- they get hijacked by newletters and newgroup postings I won't do contest here anymore cause of it

hehe this has been a topic discussed once or twice with fellow pals of mine... I must agree the hot 20 is usually a fanatsy gal in a misty setting with the mandatory airbrushed hair, and postwork bonanza, and usually with all the same people voting within seconds, I know that certain artists have a clique, and whatever they post the same group will all post and vote, 'Oooo thats beautiful...' etc But thats just the way it goes, I don't begrudge anyone anything really.. I'm not even sure how u vote someone into the Hot20?? Is it just by commenting and using the ranking system, like Hmmm or Excellent.. or what? Anyhoo... Its all a bit of fun and in the long run shouldn't really effect your life ;) -SimderZ- xXx Recently nammed by friends as the Queen of Fetish & Pin-up... LOL... no swords, temples or elves here... teehee

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Come back, Dr. Legume, come back! OTH, I had people say they would never buy my stuff again because I added to the satire comments on one of his pics. I better keep my mouth shut.

I just looked at the link that Jim posted above. So, no elfs and dragon's in sunsets, but you're sterotypical topless women are right there. Yep, every amazon I know (excluding the archers) run around with no tops on because that makes them fight better.

satire sarura, satira 1: a literary work holding up human vices or follys to ridicle or scorn 2: trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly

I'm not as good as Dr. Geep but this will have to do for now. Sorry for the size of the graphic...my work computer has a stinky graphics program that won't let me resize.

Sigh, that word that got cut off is "appear" which, unfortunately, didn't.

Who is this mysterious Legume guy???

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You might get a taste of what Legume is about from this sample (follow the link). Other people will explain Legume...if he can be explained. He was amusing to some, appalling to others, and liked to push the limits of the status quo. I didn't know him so I can say no more, except that he was responsible for the cult of the pink pony, among other graphics that linger, sometimes reluctantly, in memory.

Thanks dialy, he sounds really "special"! :) No wonder some miss him....

I don't agree at all. Recently there has been Brigits Funny dragons, humor pictures. A realistic picture of two sisters building a snow man. Some children. All you do is click the vote for image. It's right in the center. Comments don't count towards hot 20. And most viewed would not work at all, unless you want to see 20 pictures of huge Hooters. I take it as an honor that some of my pictures make it to the hot 20. I like it just the way it is.

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Jim - the point I was going for is the poster said that they are tired of the same old thing of elfs and unicorns, yet the image we see is topless - which is just as overused.

zhurok, I've never been in the top 20 or any such thing. I don't like unicorns,elves,comic type figures etc. much either, nor do I air brush. Yet,I love fantasy because I can do whatever I want without being constricted by what you call "real life". You say: "Get out of that overdone fantasy genre, and rock the world with something new!" I think I'll stay in the fantasy genre, but if you think my fantasy pics are the norm, I'd have to disagree :-) I believe one can do fantasy or any other genre and be boxed in or step outside the box yet remain in said genre. It's 'their' art and that's really what's important. Dang I do art for me. If someone likes it and it speaks to them,Coooooooool........... Opinions may vary, :-) Strixowl

Dr. Legume is still around the Poser community, making trouble and being generally obnoxious (but in a good way, or at least, I think so and I find him funny). From what I understand, he vowed never to visit R'osity again (I don't know why, sorry). Anyway, if you're interested, just have a look at some other well-known Poser type forums and do a search for "legume". You'll find him. He was posting just a couple hours ago at another site. :) bonni

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yep Dr. Legume is still around but he's been struggling with some serious health problems lately, if you want to say hi to him, best do it now while you still can.

Why did he leave Renderosity?

That was a thread killer, wasn't it? :)

I can hear the guns being loaded already ;) that's not really a subject for this forum or site, best/safest to ask about that over at the other place.

hey nornaddict .. didya know that there's a Norn for Poser? over at 3dMenagerie :) as for everyone else .. if you don't like the status quo ... change it. Vote!

i think at one point we had every spot but one in the hot 20 filled with legume's pics.hell i think some people got so pissed off that they left rosity vowing never to come back.then we got him voted in as artist of the month.i've never seen this community so shook up.like him or not his art always said somthing and most of the time on many levels.

i think at one point we had every spot but one in the hot 20 filled with legume's pics.hell i think some people got so pissed off that they left rosity vowing never to come back.then we got him voted in as artist of the month.i've never seen this community so shook up.like him or not his art always said somthing and most of the time on many levels.

funnny how that posted twice! maybe he's still around.

I personally miss the voting by most unique views I always thought that was the best. I see images in there at times where there are several by the same artist and frankly most of that artist's pics look the same and I would never consider them Hot 20. Yes I do vote, on occasion if an image really strikes me because you see that it only takes 8 votes to get in the HOT 20. It's a bit of a downer to realize that there can be a large number of comments (all good )on a fabulous image but it isn't in the hot 20. Yet there can be several images by one mediocre artist (whose images almost always have the dead eye stare) where the majority of the commentors don't have galleries and are never heard of in the forums either (not that that is a crime - but whent he majority of them don't -it's just odd). So now I will vote on occasion but I rarely ever look at the listing anymore.

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Yeah, but it's kind of hard if you sweat for an image and still don't get more than your average of 3 to 5 comments. Sometimes it makes you think you're just bad and won't become any better...

i'd like to see a group project spring to life, maybe a 7 or 8 minute animation. it can be rendered one minute at a time on several computers, written by some of the talented people here... i brought this up a long time back. seems like this thread is an open invitation to do just that. let's see how far we can bush the envelope and be ambitious.

lol I'd like to see some male action,,, like some hottie bodies riding away on a harley........yummmie

And to think, I was made happy today when noggin found a llama texture for me today (thank you Moonrose). I guess I am now soooo old that I am more excited by Noserferatu and a llama than I am by hotties on harleys. I don't know whether to cry or laugh hysterically.

LMAO you so crazy! lol I'm not quite that young as I should feel , i mean i'm 27 but youre only as young as you feel. LLama's are pretty cute! LOL

LMAO you so crazy! lol I'm not quite that young as I should feel , i mean i'm 27 but youre only as young as you feel. LLama's are pretty cute! LOL

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ugh... I have peeked at the top 20 once or twice and agree it is usually a set set of picture types that get in. it is also the usualy people. ~shrugs abit~ the fact of the matter is I have come to realize... 1-there IS a clique here. no doubt about it. a person not in the clique can do a pic..original great work they get maybe at best four comments...and then a cliquette does a "similar pic" and they get the 20 some odd comments and votes out the wazoo. 2-the amount of comments/votes have NOTHING to do with a pic being good, great, bad, or whatever. 3-top20 is not a judge of great original work. Frankly...I am abit tired of the clique ideal. Lets just do what we like and go from there. those that like the same style or pic topic..will look and comment and that is that. lordy I need to stay away from the coffee .....

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You all seem to take this too serious, and if more than 1/2 of these people complaining, do not look at hot 20, then you don't see the people that get in, that do not belong to any clique's. That are NOT in there all the time-etc..etc. I have friends here but I only vote for the pictures I think are damn good and orginal. Gee it's just too bad you all like to try and take the fun out of being in Hot 20. Here I'm a Na-Na (Grandmother) and I was so darn proud and happy when I get a picture in the Hot 20. What did you guys eat for lunch? Sour grapes?

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uhmm why is it taken automaticly as sour grapes? and why is it if someone speaks about it ..it is seen as complaining or bad form? geez I suppose now because I spoke out against the morality police that go skulking through here that I am just eating "sour grapes"? all anyone has to do is go through the galleries...and they will see the very apparently "clique" and whos in it and whos not by the comments etc. it was even {from what I have been told} brought to glaring light by a certain {hope I get this right} Pink Pony. it proved that it is not nessecarily quality that gets you in a top spot.{ and please note that is not sayinng that clique work is not good...do not read between the lines what is not said please}

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there's only two solutions: either the people who dislike the clique start a)producing more work and then b)start commenting on those works of your peers more, which will redifine you as a clique of your own, or ignore it. that's it really. i can't see the clique myself, because not only am i rarely in the gallery, but i'm self absorbed in my own huge project right now. if there really is a clique here, that's how to settle it. a large project with defined roles will gain recognition for participants while not promoting the clique. either way i could care less. i just want to see less nekkid v3 and more stories behind the pictures. my biggest gripe is that almost every pic in the hot 20 is rendered at either eye level or nipple level ;)

Georgress said:"it should be the 20 most viewd THIS WEEK" Man, can you imagine the flood of "really nekkid Vickies" invading the Hot 20? Cuz those are the most viewed.

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so still better then a showcase for this site being highjacked by outsiders.

Sheesh. Hey peeps it's not that bad, really. I never looked at the Hot20 because, stupidly, I didn't know how to get to it. One day I noticed the link, clicked it, AND ONE OF MY IMAGES WAS THERE. How about that? LOL Then I said, hmmmmm, this is interesting. So I looked at the Hot20 for Bryce and what did I find? One of my images was there too!! LOL Hey, it will never happen again but I'm not complaining. :)

I don't even know where the Hot 20 is, but I really liked Gallery picks of the week #6.....some really awesome images there!

I have never made it into the Hot 20 (and probably never will) even though like an idiot I keep thinking maybe one day I will. I have create some images that I worked days on trying to push my creative envelop and not gotten hardly any comments on and that was very depressing. Other images that I just threw together in a matter of minutes that I really didn't think was that great got comments out the yazoo. The point is, just do your art and don't get discouraged. People will either like it or not, but bottom line,,,its YOUR art. Some say maybe there is a clique, maybe not,,,who cares.,,,as long as you feel you created something very meaningful and personal to you,,,thats all that matters. Any way thats my 2 cents for what its worth.

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Hey everyone Starting this Sunday - We will feature a Member's Hot Picks of the Week List! 1. Everyone - gather the links to your favorite weekly images 2. Do Not Post until Sunday - 3. On Sunday - we will create a Link Called Member's Picks of the Week. 4. Post your "Picks of that week" in that thread. 5. We will post a link to that thread in the Poser Banner Area on the top of the Page and on the Poser Community Page. Rules for Posting: No Groaning - Yeah there are always rules! 1. Your picks have to be Renderosity Gallery Images Posted Only THAT week Do Not post images from Last month or last year etc. 2. You Have To post the word Nudity Behind any of your picks that contain Nudity [If the Gallery image thumb has nudity flagged, it is considered nudity] - If you post Picks with Nudity and you Do Not Have your pick flagged with the word Nudity, your postings will be deleted. [You can of course repost with "Nudity" behind the images.] 3. You Have To post the word Violence Behind any of your picks that contain Violence [If the image thumb has Violence flagged, it is considered nudity] - If you post Picks with Violence and you Do Not Have your pick flagged with the word Violence, your thread will be deleted. [You can of course repost with "Violence" behind the images.] 4. No Personal Attacks against members for posting (if you do not like their list!) Everyone has their own view of what they consider great artwork We all agree to respect each others picks. 5. Only Post Links to the images [if you know html, please use that with the link to the image and the name of the artist if not, just cut and paste the image link] Do Not post the actual Image or thumb! 6. Limit your picks to 20 Images Max! This will make it easier for everyone to view your picks ** Also you can have as few as one image to your favorite weekly picks list" Ok thats it Now its your turn to be the Art Judge Your turn to show the community your taste in Art! Your turn to highlight your favorite Artists work! We will start this Sunday So start viewing the galleries and gathering your favorite Images!**

Wow Ladynimue that's a really exciting idea! Can't wait til Sunday! :)

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ladynimue - great idea. I'll be there on Sunday.

It's going to be fun to see what favorites are uncovered. Does "the week" start or end with Sunday? (In other words, graphics for this Sunday should be posted on or September 28 to October 4, or September 29 to October 5? Don't flame me for being picky...someone was bound to ask, and someone was bound to complain if it wasn't clear to them.

Ohh Dialyn you R such a party pooper - hehe You KNOW I am Just teasing ;] You are very correct we have to have set days of the week that images will be picked Lets do this: the week Starts with the first posting on Sunday- Rosity Time and end with the last Gallery posting on "Saturday - Rosity Time!" I will try to post the thread early on Rosity Time - Sunday Morning - depending on how late in the morning my dogs let me sleep in ;] So - for this week: Pick from the following days. Only Images in the Gallery that fall within the following dates: First Image posted on Sunday Sept 28 and last image posted on Sunday Oct 4th

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So - for this week: Pick from the following days. Only Images in the Gallery that fall within the following dates: First Image posted on Sunday Sept 28 and last image posted on Saturday Oct 4th

Don't you just hate it when that happens??

i used to vote..it made no difference. of course, that was back in the not so distant past when i actually would bother to VIEW to poser gallery. i gave up. let them vote for one another and look at each other till the cows come home. i am sure that i am not the only viewer/participant who is lost to the poser gallery.

I never knew what the 'vote' button was all about. And where does one find the Top 20? (Please forgive me if I've missed something obvious). Thanks!

One of the difficulties I have with the gallery is there are so many images. And some days even with cable it takes a long time for the images to open. Some folks upload one a day, some two - if I could suggest -a limit on the number we upload - restricting ourselves to (for example) one a week selecting what we feel is the best of our work for that week before we upload. This isn't a criticism. I admirehow prolific some folks here are. And, I enjoy finding new galleries and viewing works in media other than my own.

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Every Gallery has a Hot20 The images in the Hot20 are picked by the number of times the vote button is clicked Just a note: You cannot see the Vote Button under your own images, because you cannot vote for your own images :) ladynimue

Are you saying I could be in the hot 20 and not know it???? This is kind of funny.

I always wondered what the 'vote' button was all about. And I never saw that Top 20 link before - thanks so much :)

I'm mostly lost to the Poser gallery, but only because of Rosity's recent slowness. I used to look at the gallery images a lot, but now, you wait forever, and half the time the pic never comes up anyway. :-P

Does it have to be in the Poser Gallery or any Gallery? I know this is the Poser Forum, but there are lots of good images in other galleries as well :) Just thought I would ask!

And there are Poser related graphics not in the Poser gallery. 100% Poser graphics are not all that common.

Just wanted to note that for a while I was doing a series of '10 images to see' threads over in the Art Theory forum. Yes we have one .. surprise surprise :)

I loved your 10 images to see threads....they covered all the galleries. It was a lot of fun. I don't like to hang out in the Art Theory forum, though. The is an air of being too-good-for-Poser over there. Have things changed?

I haven't been there in ages .. since View Random was removed I can't do the "10 to see" in the same way. Which is a shame, I found many very good artists that way. I really don't have time to follow more than two forums.

The Hot20 is a product of it's environment. Since the most popular genre is the pinup/vicky fantasy image, of course, they are going to garnish the most views/votes. It's the nature of the audience.

Geoegress:
With all due respect, I remember when it was the most viewed that got the hot20 spots. It was much worse than what is there now. People would make up phony thumbnails just to get into the most views. A catchy title or a alluring thumb can do wonders for such statistics. What is most viewed has nothing to do with quality (and I AM NOT saying that viewed images aren't quality works, but the two aren't necessary the same thing).

I like the idea of member picks and was glad to see them add the Favorite Artist and Images. Doing so on a weekly basis will be cool to present a diverse culture of artists, since we all have different tastes and views. Even though deemarie and Lyrra did a great job in flagging some excellent images, I think having more people do it will really balance it out.

I still think that a random showcase gallery where each artist can put in one image into it that best shows their work (that they could change when they wanted). Then when people enter, they get a random 100 or more images from that gallery. They can hit a button to get another 100. This would give every artist a fair shot to show his/her stuff and not based on the understandable bias of human nature.

ShadowWind

DarkElegance:
I am probably one of those ones that you would consider to be part of this mysterious clique that you seem to think exists. I get a lot of comments from people who have come to like my work as I've gone along and I am not that naive to think it's all artistic talent, because I know it's not. I'm certainly not the best technical artist on Rosity, and consider myself more of a storyteller than an artist. But you know, I am still amazed after two years when someone likes my work and makes that known. I still appreciate it, I still acknowledge it personally the best I can. I haven't become jaded to put myself on a pedestal that such a comment was deserved and expected. While they are certainly welcome, I never expect them from anyone that I comment on, because I do it for the love of the art, not because I am trying to rack up points or something. I often look for potential and storytelling, not always the most technical, though I certainly relate to those that simply just dazzle me as well. Art is all very personal and what attracts us to certain images is anyone's guess, but I don't view/comment/vote based on payback or some mission to shut out anyone. I do it because I care, and that I like to give an artist a boost or a tip. Doing so makes me feel good, and I hope them as well and I truly apologize if that hurts anyone, but it's not intentional.

One has to keep in mind as well, that within the community of Rosity, there is suburbs. Forum, Marketplace/Customer, Chat, and Galleries are all examples and even though one might do a lot of work to support their fellow artists there, that doesn't always translate to other suburbs, though it does help. There's a good chance even that one doesn't even know the other really exists, having never visited. This holds true in the galleries as well. Lot of people don't go outside their chosen gallery. Poser people don't know Vue even exists, vice versa. Artists that work in different venues, tend to find a wider audience and exposure to their work.

Many of the people that get lots of comments/votes, not only are great artists, but have done much for the community in which they are being recognized. Cases in point, SophiaDeer (Poser) and Gallimel (2D). These are two people who not only do great work, but spend so much effort, despite trials in their own lives, to bring light and support to so many. So why shouldn't their work be recognized for not only it's quality, but the effort they've shown in bonding? I don't think that's a clique. i think it's just human nature and I'm sure, in fact, I know, that they do it out of the caring for others and not some hidden agenda.

I think the clique thoughts are understandable. When i first got here, it was quite difficult to understand and I think for a full year, I didn't. When I started, I had 17 views and 0 comments and couldn't get the time of day. I started to just give up, when an artist gave me some good advice. He asked, "What have you done for the community?" I thought long and hard about that, and realized he was right. How could I expect others to extend their hand, when I was unwilling to extend my own. I then said I would be a more active member. These days, I only wish I could be more of a member than health and time allows, but I still care very much for those that I support and those that support my work. I cherish the friendship of many and I don't feel bad about it. Anyone with a little effort, caring and talent can get into the "clique" that doesn't exist if they so desire, but don't do it for fame, but for the friendships that come from it. It will provide you with much more than how many comments/votes.

ShadowWind