I've been messing with the P4 horse the last couple of hours. I added another group to the neck and did some regrouping of the existing neck and chest areas. I was trying to get the neck reworked enough to get the head down to the ground. Didn't totally succeed, but I think I did make some progress. I also made the ears poseable, although they don't pose very well right yet. If anyone is interested in it, I'll zip it up and put it on my site. I'll have to use Objaction Mover since I altered the existing mesh. Ed