Ok, so I had to reinstall my NTWS I was running service pack 4 but now am running service pack 6. My Carrara 1.01 updater is not working and neither is the one on Meta's web site, I get a not a valid NT application. This is probably a problem with service pack 6 however if some one could email a copy of their updater that they know is working then I could no for sure. thanks Stacey sbudd@tdts.com