Ornlu opened this issue on Oct 17, 2003 ยท 58 posts
Ornlu posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 6:46 PM
Well, unfortunately childish behavior seems to be running rampant lately. After pointing out a bit of plaigerism in a certain person's work, said person and said person's 'goonies' have been messing with my gallery.. Giving random images 1's etc... I know it shouldn't matter, but they are continuing to do so, even on some of my older wip images... sigh More annoying that a grown man would behave like this than anything. Anyhow, I was just wondering whether or not it is possible to ban or have someone banned from my gallery before any additional harm is done.
Zhann posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 6:59 PM
If it's the Bryce gallery, Agent Smith has the last word there, I think.....
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Ornlu posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 7:23 PM
I meant my personal gallery. I just don't want them commenting anymore.
pakled posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 7:29 PM
Well, your stuff's always been outstanding..have a few '10's on me (or excellent, to use the 'new' grading system)..don't let 'em get you down.
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Ornlu posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 7:33 PM
Well I just got this PM from blackunicorn... I certainly don't appreciate the direct threat about hacking into my computer... sigh "Ornlu STOP THE DRUG... I dont take any sphere in this...you are very far to be almost there. whit your smal gallery with 40 pic... what do you think you are !!!!!!!!!!! ALMOST THERE MY EYES (FUCKIN STUPID ANIMAL BRAIN) NEXT TIME I SAW A COMMENTS FROM YOU CHECK YOUR PC LET ME TELL YOU VERY EASY TO GO IN YOUR SYSTEM....BETTER UNDERSTAND DUMMY. (Sent 10/17 19:27)"
Ornlu posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 7:54 PM
Oh wow, yet another.. No sense in keeping this private anymore.. now he's threatening to purchase products from renderosity with stolen credit cards... This really makes me sad. "Subject: I'll buy some stuff in your store... Instant Message from BlackUnicorn: But with a stolen credit card....Robert McCarty from Leominster US zip o1453 ************* after 500 posts you can come back to talk to me...you are so IDIOT..I JUST SEND A MESSAGE TO MICHELLE ONE OF MY FRIEND $$$$$$$$$$ CREDIT CARD I'LL TELL YOU FOR THE LAST TIME DONT COME BACK OR SOME VISITOR AT YOUR FUCKIN DOOR (81,81,81,81,81) THINK ABOUT THIS. LAST MESSAGE CIAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (Sent 10/17 19:38)"
Ornlu posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 8:02 PM
Ok, I'll be perfectly honest here and say I'm getting frigging sick of this. Not only do I have a firewall, but I'm on a state university network, hacking into this computer would be a federal crime. " Instant Message from DreadWolf: JUST WATCH BLACKUNICORN IS VERY MAD ..AND (HACKER) SORRY..THATS THE LIFE. 81 (Sent 10/17 19:53) " This one of the others that has been...tampering...
ocddoug posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 8:03 PM
Can you say "psycho"? LOL. Voting down your images is bullshit. For one, your work rocks. For another, it's such a childish thing to do. And those IMs sound like serious threats to me. I'm pretty sure you can't stop someone from commenting or rating your images, short of disabling those features on ALL your images so no one can comment or rate. Maybe AS will be of help. Doug
Ornlu posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 8:07 PM
Ok, the rankings on my immages have gone from excellent to almost there (in some cases...) now someone named natacha is commenting on nearly every image with messages such as "WOW I LOVE THIS" and rankings of 1/10... This is starting to piss me off... Why the hell are people so childish?
shadowdragonlord posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 8:19 PM
Sounds to me like it's crime-fighting time. I'm sure the people at the top will take care of all this, that's just ridiculous. Ornlu, have you considered turning the ratings off? I base my picture's "success" mostly on what my little brother thinks, who is a better artist in more areas than just about anyone on the planet. But it is really cool too see other people who I don't even know commenting, or better yet, critiquing my pixels...!
Ornlu posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 8:25 PM
I have, unfortunately I have pretty low confidence in my work, it's always nice to see a little 'excellent' as a boost. Maybe I'll turn the ranking off from here on out though.
Ornlu posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 8:27 PM
Just thought I'd keep you updated...Now he's even threatening my 3d commune gallery... ugh... " Instant Message from BlackUnicorn: great and you will be kik out from render hahahahaha and i'll go see you at 3dcommune watch this....you start all this REMEMBER. (Sent 10/17 20:24)" 'I start all this' by pointing out stolen artwork... wow...
catlin_mc posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 8:27 PM
Speak to AgentSmith it's his job to keep this nonsense out of the Bryce community here at R'osity. Catlin
Ornlu posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 8:31 PM
Ooh by another update... wow.. ok I'm out after this, I can't deal with any more, getting quite the stomach ache. To my message: " Archive of message sent to BlackUnicorn: I'm sorry, but I was forced to inform renderosity about your recent posts/threats. I only decided to do this when you began to threaten renderosity with fake credit card numbers. Sorry, but it had to be done. Hopefully you'll start acting like more of an adult soon. (Sent 10/17 19:56) " He replies: " Instant Message from BlackUnicorn: YOU ARE SO STUPID WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU ARE G O D OR WHAT ???????????????????????????????????????????????? (Sent 10/17 20:25) " I wish there was a poll so that I could have the level of immaturity rated...
Zhann posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 8:45 PM
Okay, bodily harm and destruction of property, not to mention theft has been threatened by this aashole. It is time to take this to Agent Smith, or one of the others Mods, Spike is also an Admin so I'd contact him right quick. They have the ISP of everyone who logs in and can ban them from accessing Rosity all together. You don't have to put up with this sh*t. (I do believe PJF has come back as BlackUnicorn, it's just a thought but you never know) Ornlu, contact Spike NOW, before this goes any farther.!
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Ang25 posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 8:49 PM
This is a terrible time of day, I just checked a few minutes ago and the only admin listed was ClintH who has been logged into renderosity for like a millenia of minutes.
mboncher posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 8:52 PM
Sounds like the owners of Renderosity need to make some phonecalls and get this guy's host site banned, or report these threats to the police. Use of stolen credit card numbers is a serious felony. Same goes with making threats like these. I'd think about getting ready to involve the authorities, as well as Renderosity. Last time someone made threats at me like this, I made one email to my ISP and the guy disappeared.
catlin_mc posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 9:17 PM
This is totally uncivilized and it is the mods and admin that you must tell about this, they're breaking the TOS and that ain't allowed. Catlin
TheBryster posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 9:19 PM
Of course it would be nice if the guy could actually put a few coherent sentences together.......I got the gist of it, but it was hard going......I wonder if they FBI would take any notice of this...stolen credit cards etc. I mean they're red-hot at finding people who pay via credit cards on the child-porn sites.......
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ysvry posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 9:26 PM
Ornlu i checked out your gallery and think u make very inspiring work. What did you say to make this madman so angry at you? well i wont take it so seriously maybe its his twisted way to say he likes your work too. good luck with it and keep posting your exelent work
JC_01 posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 9:30 PM
not to intrude here, but the writing style does not match the writings I've read of PJF, I wouldn't bother looking there....(lol actually, I wouldn't blame anyone but the man with the name listed..I have seen that name before, tho not in this context.) PJF Has called names in some posts, but the grammar has always been very calm and well written, these messages Ornlu has posted are quite the opposite...not from the same mind.... Ornlu? stupid point already thought of I'm sure, but please make sure to archive all those....not delete them in haste for whatever reason... hugsssssssss And Ornlu? You dont' need us to tell you your work is great...You know it....you just have to look inside yourself to see it....and to look at your work...it is good... I want to say this behavior is like the childhood bully type behavior..meant to intimidate, threaten and scare someone....yet when confronted it get's worse....almost antagonized...battles start...words fly....people get hurt, (emotionally more than physically) BUT when ignored, the messages will start to show more and more desperation, and one final plea for attention with very nasty contents....then fizzle off and go away.... I would forward them to a mod, then ignore them... Don't let em bug ya Ornlu...(unless it inspires a really kewl image, then we will all start...lol J/K!!!) hugssssssssss Jen
striving posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 9:34 PM
Is this real????? Good damn grief! This man is insane! I am sure that the higher-ups will not allow this to continue. Pure childish crap here. Really, this is beyond anything I have seen at any site. Weird, wild stuff man..... Hang in there Ornlu,, it cant get any worse.. I hope. -Bruce
Ornlu posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 9:46 PM
Wow, thanks for all the nice replies. PJF is not involved with this, I don't know where his name came up. The parties in question are: BlackUnicorn natacha DreadWolf So far This started when I pointed out plaigerism in one of his renders... I had seen this car before, but since I couldn't remember where I just posted that It was not made in bryce unlike the image description said %100 bryce by him. Prior to that, a few posts down in the Hot 20 topic I just was curious as to how the image with someone elses car rendered on a mirrored plane with two basic trees and a default sky got into the top 20. At that point I didn't even remember who had done it, simply a passing remark in a longer reply... I had no idea it would get this blown out of the water. I got another message, I have NO idea how he got this kind of meaning from my reply but dreadwolf stated " Instant Message from DreadWolf: LOOK LIKE WE GONNA HAVE FUN... CANADIANS VS KILLER AMERICAN (Sent 10/17 20:47)" I've contacted spike, awaiting a reply. I hope this will get resolved soon.
ttops posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 9:58 PM
They're probably the same person: BlackUnicorn natacha DreadWolf
Ornlu posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 10:02 PM
I don't think so, they all have galleries here.
mboncher posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 10:09 PM
But are they crappy galleries? ;c) Murphy's rule of combat: Incoming fire has the right of way
ttops posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 10:11 PM
They are all the same/one person/clones.
Ornlu posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 10:13 PM
mboncher, I don't know if you want to say things like that. He's obviously a very unstable individual, if he reads this post, I don't want you to become a victim of his idiocy as well.
mboncher posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 10:18 PM
I understand Ornlu. I remember when I got cyberstalked and threatened like this. If 'rosity has been informed, it'll be solved soon enough. And if they can't, I'm sure the FBI can solve it. :c)
RodsArt posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 10:27 PM
ttops is right, those three & Mollybee are the same person. Follow the Name links & draw your own conclusion from the language & art(when there is some).
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AgentSmith posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 10:40 PM
jeez... I'm running around a lot tonight w/family, but when it all settles down, I'll look into your gallery, & comments, etc. AgentSmith
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RodsArt posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 10:48 PM
This person is the same as the others - larosedesvents
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woodhurst posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 10:50 PM
this is insane.
padawanNick posted Fri, 17 October 2003 at 11:34 PM
Sheesh, they'll just let anybody onto this internet, eh? Well, at least your gallery is gonna get a whole mess of new views tonight :) You know you have our support, Ornlu. Your photos ... er ... renders (sorry, they're so good I forgot) don't just push the envelope, they pretty much rip it to shreds. Keep up the great work !!!!! Most of all.... Have fun!
tjohn posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 12:26 AM
Can't the mods edit just about anything? Maybe they can return your gallery to normal at some time in the future.
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Zhann posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 12:52 AM
Yeah they can delete comments like that in a snap...
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d_hood posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 3:00 AM
oh boy...I can't believe how childish people are. First off Ornlu, your art rocks. Don't let people get you down. It's obvious hes jealous that his work isnt up to par (in my opinion) and yours is top notch (everyone's opinion) The hacking threat should be grounds to get banned. There isnt any room here for people like that.
Rochr posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 3:27 AM
Crap like that doesnt belong anywhere. They should terminate his accounts and galleries. And i totally agree with the rest of the people here. When it comes to threats and criminal acts, the law should be involved. Im pretty sure you could sue his ass, its not like you dont have proof... Dont let some sick f..k get to you Ornlu. Your work is outstanding and innovative. Keep it coming! :)
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macmondo posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 3:34 AM
This is terrible!!! Ornlu, Your art is wonderful! I, for one look forward to each new visual experiment you post. It is always a treat to see how you push Bryce past the known limits. Your art is indeed very special and unique. Don't let someone's evil pranks spoil your joy of exploration. You have every reason to be completely confident of your Art. I only wish I had thought of your ideas first! ; ) These peoples comments should be removed from ALL images. There is no telling how long they have been doing this sort of thing.
shadowdragonlord posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 5:25 AM
Aye, well Ornlu, aside from whatever the Management does about this, the truth is : That guy's work sucked anyways. It wasn't even "work", by my definition. There are Bryce artists who RULE that never really stop into the forums very often, Hyperborea and WhiskeySierra are examples of cool cats, even if I don't talk to them often. The person in question, or the person who has already been put to the question and judged (in my book), has never posted anything other than worthless compositions, although I am loathe to devote more than one syllable to their .jpgs. SO, for what it's worth, I never clicked on their stuff anyways, and will continue to boycott whatever works they might RE-produce. Let me know if you see that person/s logging in as a new user. I will continue to slander/boycott their crap, in my book there are bridges built and bridges burned. But, like I was saying, just turn ratings off. I'll make sure and type out "EXCELLENT" every time you post, if it helps!
Elsina posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 6:04 AM
The same thing happened a while back. Somebody had work in the top 20, voted for by her/his own clones. When somebody remarked about it, this person wrote some nasty lines at her/his site. The Community supported the person who rightfully had made the remark and the whole matter was forgotten. Didn't see this person again. Maybe this is a reincarnation.
Ornlu, you know your work rocks. We all do. Just let AS clean up your gallery and forget about it. I know it is hard. I was trolled because of remarks I made in the OT Forum. Didn't sleep because of it. But I returned anyway. Now I decided not to write there anymore, not to take it personally and just do my art. Please continue making your exellent inspiring works!!!!!
AgentSmith posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 7:47 AM
It should all be taken care of soon, don't worry. Gonna make sure an Admin checks my notes first. AgentSmith
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mboncher posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 8:52 AM
Yah, the OT forum should have a sign on it saying, "here there be trolls." :c)
GROINGRINDER posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 9:48 AM
The LAW needs to be called in on this as it appears this "rocket scientist" has admitted to posessing stolen credit cards.
Rayraz posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 9:54 AM
Damn, those guys are seriously mentally ill. That's the kind of people I would give some serious manual plastic surgery if they where standing in front of me. And I don't get agressive against people easily, only VERY few people manage to get me angry like that, but this just really pisses me off. Those guys NEED to be banned AND NO 2ND CHANCES!!! sorry to react as strongly as this but I think this is way beyond simple trolling and I'm extremely pissed and already have trouble watching my words. I'll try to keep myself from sending this unicorn guy a nasty flame, but please, anyone with the possibility to do so, ban those guys and make sure ornlu's honor is restored by deleting bad ratings and such.
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GROINGRINDER posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 9:57 AM
I cannot believe this dudes simple artwork gets so many views. He doesn't even bother to use textures on lots of stuff, just diffuse color.
RodsArt posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 10:18 AM
It's one guy!!(x5)
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Rochr posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 11:06 AM
Not sure its a guy. Judging by its wonderful ability to express itself and its controlled temper, It must be something unclassified. Inbreed, failed experiment etc.
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mboncher posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 11:11 AM
Acts more like a SNERT to me. (Snot Nosed Egotistical Rude Teenager). Someone who's done too much text messaging too.
amethyss posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 11:55 AM
I will not be commenting on anymore of his images,as I believe this behaviour is a violation of conduct for such a fine community.I will not support a person playing these games.IP numbers must be banned here,in this case.Although he has always been pleasant in comments to me,I have no tolerance for personal attacks,as it can be very worrisome.I do question anyones ability to hack though.I find that most can only type the word,for a scare tactic.Have proper protection in any case.As you do Ornlu.But please keep posting your briliant works.
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orbital posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 12:09 PM
What a dumbass this guy must be to actually send you a message telling you what he intends to do. This guy needs some surgrery, to remove his brain and replace it with a potatoe so as to double his IQ. Also might want to get him some glasses so he can actually see some of his own work for real..... I just hope the hubble telescope can spare a couple of its lenses for the job!
orbital posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 12:10 PM
Hmm maybe I'll borrow his glasses to learn to type properly "surgrery".
pakled posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 12:51 PM
isn't it a shame when some folks don't stay on their meds?..;) frankly, it looks like he has 'attention deficit syndrome' (i.e., he thinks he's not getting enough attention..;) probably not getting enough, either..could explain a lot..;)I think the most frustrating, excruciating, effective thing you could do to him is ignore him. keep up the good work, and let the web site work it's magic on him.
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TerraDreamer posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 2:05 PM
ICM wrote: "It's one guy!!(x5)" I'll agree with that number, and I'm figuring possibly as high as six or seven. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out his many aliases, just go look at the galleries of his "friends" and you'll see what I'm talking about; same software, same artistic and creative ability, same themes. I remember when he first started posting in the Terragen gallery, and at the same time another noob or two to Terragen started posting with him. It was obvious they were one and the same. All so HE could post six or nine images a day, then immediately compliment himself with his other aliases, and of course rating them as excellent in the process. What I've read within this thread absolutely disgusts me. This BlackUnicorn fellow needs to have his account and his gallery deleted immediately - as in TODAY. If Renderosity gives a DAMN about this Bryce community - the ENTIRE RENDEROSITY COMMUNITY for that matter - they will take the needed steps necessary to correct this situation to protect the honest, DECENT, and contributing members here. Yes, I know they do. If this were my domain, I know what I'd do, and I'd do it SWIFTLY. Removing his comments isn't enough; it doesnt even BEGIN to remedy the situation. His account needs to be removed immediately, and an investigation should be done to determine his other aliases and those accounts should be eliminated as well. His ISP should be contacted, and the transcripts of his threats sent to both them AND local law enforcement in his community. Ornlu, it goes without saying your work and contributions to this community are exemplary. You should have no doubt whatsoever about the level admiration you receive here. I will also make a similar statement to other legitimate Bryce artists here; you give me, a new Brycer, having just got the software last week and awaiting my recommended RWB4 book, the inspiration to one day hopefully be a great Bryce artist. Or at least an acceptable one :) But while achieving that self-imposed goal, I want to feel safe here from the likes of BlackUnicorn; I want to feel assured that Renderosity will not only protect ME from this type of INSANITY, but will protect other members here as well. If I cant receive that simple request, then sadly, I wont be a contributing artist here, and that would certainly create a most grim situation for me personally, to say the least. I used to post a lot to the Terragen gallery, but removed it for personal reasons. But I want to let yesterday move further into the past, and move ahead to tomorrow within this gallery to learn from the creative minds herein. Ive missed posting to Renderosity, and want to change that. I want to learn all I can about Bryce from the great people here in this forum, and within the gallery. It all depends on Renderosity management, and how they respond to the insults against Ornlu, and to the entire web site itself. Yes, there are always potholes in the road, I'm willing to risk a damaged rim or two, but what happened to Ornlu is simply not acceptable. AgentSmith, I know youre sickened by this as well, and I would hope that you direct the powers that be to this very thread. I would hope that they will feel compelled to correct this situation, with the ONLY possible solution, and to act swiftly upon it. BTW: the mailman just delivered my book! Happy, and SAFE, "Bryce-ing" to all :)
catlin_mc posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 3:15 PM
I IMed AgentSmith about this last night when I first read about it and he's well on the job of putting this right. He has to let the messages stay in the gallery until the admin can have a look and get the details of all the IM's that have been sent to Ornlu. When that is done the offending remarks will be removed and the admin will look into removing this villain from the community. The only problem with removing someone like this and all their clones is that they will probably just pop up somewhere else. But don't you let this bug you Ornlu, you know you have friends here who will stand by you and stand up for you should needs be. Catlin
Zhann posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 4:19 PM
I really don't want to see the galleries here end up like the forums at the former 'KPTBryceTips', it was awful, foul language, personal flames, character assinasion, threats....it is a soory state of affairs that this is happening here. Ornlu you have my support....
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AgentSmith posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 4:36 PM
With comments, I'll just go ahead and take care of it myself and that's that, but this involved other elements, so, like I said just wanted to get another pair of (Admin) eyes before I did anything this time around. Anyway, going now to go delete comments. AS
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AgentSmith posted Sat, 18 October 2003 at 5:45 PM
Alright, done. I'll be communicating via I.M. to all involved. And, I don't want to have a gallery "spat" turn into a forum argument, so I'm going to go ahead and lock this thread. But, in the future, if anyone has problems with their gallery, or whatever really, its usually best just to get ahold of me via I.M. Not that I'm trying to keep any of this secret, lol, it's just a factor of damage control. Want to keep the sites bad emotions to a minimum, keep anything from snowballing, etc. If there are any comments I am missing, contact me. I'm pretty sure I got them all. AgentSmith
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