Lo all lo guys well today i am messing wiht the settings in vue pro for export scene. now the first pic is renderd in vue pro and the second and third are renderd in poser 4 this may be usefull if i can get the settings right ,then ppl can have entire vue scenes for there poser folk to wander about in lol,i am still trying to work out how to make shadows show up in the imported scene, any way just thopught id share this with you all second and third pic are in poser and one is set to center and the one were the tree and man are far away,all i did was move the poser camera way way back and thats it now all i have to figure out is setting the shadows in poser regards seeklight