In case you Mac users are wondering, thanks to the non-standard setup utility used by Vue, you can no longer install it if you have Panther installed. Basically as soon as you try to run Vue Install, the application immediately quits with an unexpected error. I don't know how e-on is going to fix this... But I hope they do as I can no longer use Vue. :-( It is ironic that Apple used screen shots of Vue's non-standard installer as a way to discourage developers and as an example of breaking your programs on future OS changes... -Paul