isn't it true that 3DSMax is a high-end 3D graphics computer program? Even with student discounts and everything else, a new version would be somewhere in the area of 2-3000 dollars, no? I received hate mail today from a couple of certain someones that, dear oh dear, I had alienated a potential Bryce user by implying that he or she was a software pirate. Well bend me over and call me spanky, what the hell would YOU think when someone without a clue in Bryce asks for help for a 3DS Max conversion? It's really silly in my mind... I mean they'll supposedly spend 2-20,000 dollars on a piece of software, and won't know how to make some bloody mountains in it, prefering to make them in Bryce? How much sense does that make? Okay, so they've just bought 3DS Max, paid the price of a screaming computer on it, sit down with their mug of coffee and the 3DS Max bible next to them, think they're cool, and then get stuck on making a simple terrain? So they go out and buy Bryce, naturally, since that makes so much sense... I understand that certain people have bought Bryce AND 3dsMax, either through their companies, or through student discounts, or even through freebie offers or what not (it doesn't have to be the latest version). But when someone comes in and asks how you can copy a mountain with a texture on it into 3DSMax, I get two thoughts: a) the person doesn't know how to use Bryce, let alone something like 3DSMax, yet he or she has both programs somehow. b) the person doesn't have a clue about 3DSMax, since he or she wants to copy a terrain WITH the textures on it. That shows that they're a complete newb. Yet they're proud owners of both Bryce AND 3DS Max. Throughout the internet you see these 12-16 year olds who say that they want to learn about computer graphics and so on, and they show you a piece of work they've done, beaming that it's made in 3DS Max. Give me a farking break... Like how dense do you have to be to understand that it's obviously pirated? But okay, innocent until proven guilty. I've alienated someone from Bryce. I'm sure he or she is just a GREAT user of 3DSMax and that they'll benefit that community instead. But wait a second... the guy doesn't even have a gallery to speak of. I KNOW!!!! He's obviously working for Industrial Light and Magic or Dreamworks, and he's not allowed to show his work, which is really world class? But then why ask for help in a bloody online forum, and why would you use Bryce if you can't even bloody control 3DS Max, which I'm SURE that you bought through legitimate means. For those of you who attempted to bite my head off for being anti-social with a green-as-grass newbie, I would venture to ask you to bite me, lest I say something worse. Mihnea