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There has been much discussion by the community and the administrators of this site about the slowness of Gallery pages to load and database locking issues. In order to remedy this situation--to increase overall site speed (especially in the Galleries); decrease bandwidth usage and the Gallery database load; and help make the experience of surfing through the pages of Renderosity a smoother, more reliable experience--we are implementing a change in the amount of allowable gallery uploads per day. Starting on Monday, 3 November 2003, members will be able to upload one Gallery image a day (that's seven images a week) instead of three. This should have a significant positive effect on the Gallery database and allow for faster site speeds. Those of you who would still require or desire three Gallery uploads a day, despair not. We are also introducing "Gallery Plus", the newest addition to the "My Services" program (see link). For $5 a month, and a one-time $5 set up fee, you can still enjoy three Gallery uploads per day (21 images a week). This feature will debut next week when the Gallery upload change takes effect. We would like to thank the community for your continued support and for your input on this matter over the months. --Asher Renderosity.com

Oh................. this is gonna be good.

I posted to this and my posting vanished. :( Goblins. I don't have a problem with this. I wish you would do two other things.... a) Get rid of old galleries of people who haven't posted on the galleries or in the forums for a year or more. b) Limit how many graphics we can have on each gallery...we might all be more careful of what we posted if we had to be more selective. I am really lazy about weeding my gallery, I admit it. Either might liberate some server space. And I suspect some people are going to scream over the idea of paying for space they are using. On the other hand, nothing is stopping anyone here from getting webspace and posting the bulk of their gallery on their own website. You can tell I'm not going to have much sympathy for the complainers. But that's because I'm evil, mean and nasty and, oh yes, I don't have a sense of humor. I just wanted to let people know I already have the list at hand. :)

I think this is a great idea, and is slow in coming..'Rosity has been needing to do this for awhile now ;) I also agree with Dialyn, weed out the old stuff that hasn't be accessed or uploaded to in a year..could send out notices telling members their gallery is about to be deleted, and if they want stop that, they need to either login or upload/delete stuff on their own. I'd give them about 2 weeks notice or so to get the reminder. And I suspect some people are going to scream over the idea of paying for space they are using. I hear that, and no doubt it wont be long before the screaming match starts ~lol~

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I also support this change in policy. Renderosity is already generous as it is, as regards the galleries. I also think that a maximum number of images per member might be helpful to the site. Would 40 be too small of a number? I think most members have fewer than that, but I've seen many who have more. I'm getting close to that number myself, but as I (hopefully) improve with time, don't mind weeding out some of the older images that haven't aged well. :-) I hope people won't scream over paying the nominal fee for extra space. IMO it's more than fair, if you're being realistic about what the immense costs to Bondware/Renderosity must be already.

lol I was actually wondering how people can post 3 images a day in some galleries, some of my images take a few days to render, and have had to wait for a week for some of them.... I know others who talk about 15 day renders... As far as the actual deletion of old galleries, it is good and it's bad... Yes those members may not have been here for however long, but by deleting those galleries, we also lose access to that art... I dont' have that many images posted because I have some on another personal gecoties account, and i post and get all the feedback i need in some of the forums...grins, so over all space isn't a problem for me.....others who use this as a portfolio may disagree tho I have no idea how it's designed now, but perhaps placing the galleries on one server, while placing the marketplace and forums on another might help some....(then again, You guys prolly already thought of that winks) JenC

I managed it a coupla times (3 in a day), but for the most part, I'm not sure I like the direction this is going. I have no way to pay or send money over the web..so the moment they start charging for normal services, I gotta go..

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Does the Rend ban bad guys permanantly and what do they do with their gallery space?

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Whoa! My own estimate was that (if they limited themselves to uploading 2 per month) there would be a new upload every 4-5 seconds. If they're churning them out at the rate of 1 per day, I can see how that's way too much throughput (2 or 3 per second at peak rates, 500 - 1000 KByte per second, or practically one T1 line just for image uploads. Paying $1,000 per month to let people upload for free - it can definitely break your bank account. That's one of the reasons I don't upload (to keep the site bandwidth costs down) - the other being that my renders aren't good enough to stand out among the thousand or more uploaded per day.

I don't think this is a bad idea and it wouldn't really affect me cause I've rarely uploaded 3 in one day. The one thing it's got me thinking about though is, will this lead to us having to pay at some point in the future to access R'osity? I really hope not. Catlin

I think this is a great idea. Not so sure about the pay to upload more than one a day. But it's a step in the right direction IMO.

Does the Rend ban bad guys permanantly and what do they do with their gallery space? I would assume 'Rosity removes images of permanately banned members after the member requests it, and after a certain period of time...

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As far as the actual deletion of old galleries, it is good and it's bad... Yes those members may not have been here for however long, but by deleting those galleries, we also lose access to that art... That is why they should be sent a reminder..could be some people just forgot they uploaded an image or 2 here..and never have any intention of coming back here..and also might want to be reminded where their images are, and have the choice of removing or leaving them here...they are, after all, their images.

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They way I see it, I'm already doing my best to help pay for gallery and forum privelages by being a Marketplace customer to the best of my financial ability. If in the unlikely event we have to pay to be Rosity members at all, hmmm, that would be suicidal of the site. I can't imagine such a foolish decision being made. It'd be like handing the other sites dominance on a silver platter. But this current new policy seems fair. Hopefully, it'll encourage some persons to put more thought into what they post. I'll post any old thing to the Poser newsgroup, but I won't leave anything here for more than a few months if I can't take some pride in it for longer than that.

If nothing else, if you manage to produce a few renders in a day, then it will give you something to post on your off days.. I know I go thru very productive periods and very slow periods. Plus what has been mentioned before...think about what your posting!!! Post you best stuff!!! Given the sheer number of members...I don't see this as unreasonable... Plus the fact that it should improve the site speed, is a big plus... It will make it easier for all of us to view each others creations... That's a plus for me... Paying to upload more than one per day is OK for me... if your that productive and want to..hey, more power to ya...

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How does limiting to 1 per day "....members will be able to upload one Gallery image a day (that's seven images a week) instead of three. This should have a significant positive effect on the Gallery database and allow for faster site speeds" Make a difference when you are allowing "... For $5 a month, and a one-time $5 set up fee, you can still enjoy three Gallery uploads per day (21 images a week)"? In other words those with the cash can go on like normal uploading 3 per day, 21per week, and everyone else has to deal with 1 a day or 7per week, correct? I believe that good housekeeping is one answer, or limiting 'every member' equally to one upload per day is another, but this is going down the road to becoming a 'pay site'. Sounds like 'If you have cash in hand, we are more than willing to let you upload to your hearts content within the 21', 'if you are not a 'cash' customer deal with the restrictions'. I don't know if anyone in management cruises other sites, but the general concensus out there is that Renderosity is going downhill into oblivion....it would be a sad day but the signposts are cropping up everywhere on this site....

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It was only a matter of time before money was mentioned. It's not about space or time, it's about money. It's always about money. Why not just say so, right out, instead of hiding behind the whiners who won't buy decent service to see and download other people's art.

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Just a quick answer to the question...When members are permanently banned their galleries are removed.

One image a day is fine by me (amazing lack of outcry so far, eh?) - but I really don't want the number of images in an artist's gallery to be limited (not that it sounds like you're planning that!). I have around 120 images in mine, which chart my progress (or lack of it) right back from when I was new to Poser and Bryce - and I enjoy looking at some of the older images of my favourite artists to see how they've progressed and improved - it gives me hope! I already have a website of my own, and - if it came to it - would simply move my gallery to my own webspace (some of it's there already), but it's not so easily accessible as my gallery here. Not that it's MY gallery that I'd like to see left intact - it's the galleries of my favourites - I'd hate to have to hunt round the web for them... Anyway, this is jumping the gun a little, as no-one from Da Management has suggested such a thing - just wanted to put my oar in while I had the chance!

About bloody time. A great number of people out there just ruin the galleries by uploading any old shit off their hard drive, just because they can. The galleries have been looking like a big dumping ground for a long time now and I'm sure this move will improve the quality of the images people post. There may be some peeps that can crank out three masterpieces a day, and I imagine they will suffer with this new rule. Oh well. At least this way, their stuff will get more viewings now that the fans wont have to wade through tons of crap.

IMHO

Well, the tons of crap will remain. There's no way to remove it except if the mods en masse become art jury. Even then... I wouldn't remove the old stuff anyway. There are people who left Renderosity but whose pictures are still great. If you remove the old stuff, the pics will go and we will all be poorer. And no, I don't think that a mail would solve it in many cases. I'm against the Gallery Plus. Renderosity can either be the most popular site or it can be a paying site. It cannot be both.

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This will not improve the galleries and keep any old stuff from being posted...If you have the cash you can post as much crap as you like within the 21 per week limit. The only thing this improves is the income to the site, not the galleries, not the speed, not the space. Those that can afford it, whether they are good artists or not, will be the ones burying the art of those that can't afford it. Wise up people, what this is about is the 'bottom line' i.e. how much revenue can this site generate. This is not an art site for Arts' sake, this is a business enterprise, run by businessmen and accountants, not artists.

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"This is not an art site for Arts' sake, this is a business enterprise, run by businessmen and accountants, not artists. " I have news for these businessmen. When I signed on this morning I found my entire gallery had vanished completely, over 50 images! If this is how business is conducted then I would suggest selling your stock immediately. Mivan

My opinion? It is really easy to bypass this limit of one image a day. Just be member with three different identities and you will be able to post your three images a day at no cost. Have you thought about that, R-sity people? I know at least one person in one of the galleries who used to have two login names to post 6 images a day. Banned, she is probably there again with two new identities. Miche D.

And BTW, I am just coming back from my gallery and the same as Mivan happened to mine >8-(! Why I should post again in a place where they treat their good people like that? Miche D.

It seems that paying $5 has a good effect on the bandwidth... What a nonsense. Limit to one upload and let it be that way... Or use a better database engine...

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I'm with Zhann on the good housekeeping thing. Why don't we all take a good hard look at our galleries and remove those that really don't do it for us. One of the great things about this forum is the people. Of course the art is simply stunning, but in the end the Rend is free and should stay that way. I hate to say it, but if I had to pay to be a member I would think long and hard about staying here. I would miss all you guys and all the stuff that makes the Bryce Forum what it is today, but I doubt if I could justify $X.XX a month to stay here. It's hard enough keeping on line at 15pm (and there's no way I can go on broadband) but to pay for the Rend?....I don't think so. Putting my preaching to the test, I'm going to weed the images that don't really come up to scratch out of my gallery. I think maybe others should do the same. The Bryster

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"Putting my preaching to the test, I'm going to weed the images that don't really come up to scratch out of my gallery. I think maybe others should do the same." The Bryster As I understand this the issue is number of people trying to upload, not the number of images stored. How does deleting images help the bandwidth issue? Nobody looks at crummy art anyway. Mivan

Mivan: Maybe I've misunderstood! Isn't it about TOTAL usage? BTW, I hope you're not suggesting my art is crummy......

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If anyone knows of a good and low-cost web host (in the US) that allows nudity on their customer's sites, I'd gladly start a site for the overflow of images in my gallery. (I don't want those banner heavy freebie sites though...they spam the hell outta ya :( ) Thanks...

The Bryster wrote: "Mivan: Maybe I've misunderstood! Isn't it about TOTAL usage? BTW, I hope you're not suggesting my art is crummy...... " Like many others I'm sure, my renderosity gallery is my portfolio. If I delete images that have not gotten as favorable a response as others or earlier art how will people see any progress or growth in my art ability. The renderosity community is primarily comprised of individuals whose art perception is generally limited to "eye candy" digital. Landscapes, botanical, nautical and other subjects rarely get a second look. If I as an artist pander only to that limited segment of the art world then I am severly limiting myself. How does this help me to grow? I did not suggest that your art was crummy. In fact a few months back I had marveled at your Belveder Revisited image, and as a former Brycer realised how much work was involved in that render. Mivan

Mivan, There was a problem with one of the servers last night. I just checked your gallery and there are 55 images in it. Has the problem corrected itself? Or are there still missing images? Deb (moderator)

I'm sorry but I don't see what the big problem is here.. Renderosity are very generous letting us upload images to the galleries at all.. anybody with their own site would know the cost of bandwith... 1 a day is more than enough.. if ppl spent more time on their images the gallery would get a higher quality.. As for the 5 dollar thing to get more uploads..I'm kinda against it.. for quite obvious reasons.. It would be nicer if ppl spent more time on their images Period!

I agree with Darkginger about not limiting the gallery counts. I have about 68 in mine, a kind of history of my artwork and progression. I think it shows good and bad how my art has transpired, and it's my hope that it's an inspiration to others. As far as the back galleries go, I could see that. If an artist hasn't logged on in a year or two, to send them a reminder to see if they are still around and then if not, close out their gallery. Rosity never promised that the galleries would be permanent records of someone's work. Although I agree that some would be very missed.

The 1 a day limit doesn't really bother me, and doesn't really surprise me. I dont post but once a week at best anyway, so doesn't really effect me. I don't agree with the whole 'if ppl spent more time' thing, with all due respect to Miyu. There are some artists that can really create great art in a few hours, people like robcamp and j-art to name a few.

$60 a year is a lot to be able to upload 3 images with no other benefits. Even if I was a poster of that many, I wouldn't go for that. There are too many other sites out there that would be glad to pick up the slack. I knew money would wind up coming into play at some point into this because of the rumored financial problems that Renderosity has, but this ain't the way to do it. And since you are an international place, $60 American can translate into pretty hefty fees in other countries. I would think something like $20-30 a year would be more paractical. I guess we'll see how the ball bounces, but I kinda fear it's the beginning of the end...

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If you have 90,000 artists' galleries, and each gallery has 50 images at 200 KBytes each, then you need about 1 Terabyte of server space to host all those masterpieces. Then you need to pay 4 guys to maintain the server farm, plus the cost of the lines into the farm, plus the cost of the servers, maintenance and upgrades. So it's costing Renderosity quite a bit of cash just to host free galleries. Historically on the Internet there are two factors that are famous for killing free sites: server space costs and throughput (bandwidth) costs. My guess is that Renderosity is getting to the point where upload and hosting costs are increasing faster than revenues, so they have to increase revenues to maintain the same level of service. It's definitely something new. I wonder what Rubens, Cezanne, Dali or Warhol would have said if somebody told them about a place where 90,000 artists gather?

We will not be limiting the amount of total images one can hold in the gallery. There is value in representing the entire arc of one's upload history to see how one's art has evolved over time. You can always remove your older images yourself, of course, but we will not be doing that. We will take down a member's gallery only when they are permanently banned, or they request it. If a member has not participated on the site for a year, they are moved to "Inactive" status, but we don't remove their gallery because they should always be able to come back. That's not an issue for us. We're not moving to become a pay site, though having premium features available for a fee is not unreasonable, as Renderosity does cost money to operate, and to improve; it's a feature-rich site already, and most of those features are included for free in your basic membership. And lastly, Renderosity is certainly not going down in flames, or into the dark night of oblivion, or what have you. We're doing just fine, and look forward to many, many more years of working with the most diverse group of artists on the "InterWeb". --Asher

'Historically on the Internet there are two factors that are famous for killing free sites: server space costs and throughput (bandwidth) costs.'

This is unfortunately true and even though Marketplace sales help defray these costs - this same problem is affecting the profitability of the MP for the same reasons.

This is a feature rich site with an immense amount of wonderful content. I hope everyone who opposes this remedy will try to consider this and not feel too badly about having to make this change :(

AsherD,
Don't get me wrong. I hope Rosity has a long happy life and I'm glad to hear that you will not be limiting the galleries. I don't spite Rosity for putting in value added services. I do think the price is a bit steep, but that's just me, but as I said, I don't upload more than 1 a week, so not really my call.

mateo,
There are roughly 300,000 images currently on Rosity, which if they are 200k each on average winds up 60,000,000,000, which is 60 Gig. Not a terrabyte...They got a long way to go to even fill up a 250 gig drive.

ShadowWind

Actually there is no way to tell how many there are now that they cut back the Most Commented, but I believe it was about 280,000 before they changed it to the top 100 only...

I would be surprised actually if somebody did pay to upload their 3 images a day. I'm sure Rosity isn't looking to make lots of money this way either. But can you imagine if Admins came in here and said "OK one upload per day that's it"? People would be running around screaming, setting the place on fire. Its an offering to keep the peace, that's all.

I for one would love to be able to look at EVERY image posted here, but the sheer quantity uploaded daily just makes this impossible. And has anyone ever complained that there were not enough images to look at? Nope.

(Not directed at anyone, just rambling out loud.)

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I support the one-a-day and the pay part, but do not delete old renders, please!

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"If a member has not participated on the site for a year, they are moved to 'Inactive' status..."

Out of curiosity, how many Active members does R'osity currently have?

I just have to say that I am in full support of the 1 gallery upload per day. That is a good move. I really don't like the idea of deleting old renders. As has been voiced here by many, the old renders are part of an individuals portfolio and lets people see how you have improved your artistic talents, and lets you see how others have improved their artistic talents. I don't necessarily agree with the "Gallery Plus" idea. However, the way I could see the "Gallery Plus" idea working out would be for people that were members of several forums and for them to post 1 image per day per forum. Outside of that I am not in agreement with the "Gallery Plus" idea. The bandwidth problem could see a lot of improvement though in my humble opinion with the 1 gallery upload per day. I have a 1.2 Mb connection and there are some days I feel like I am still using a 56k line when I am going through the forum.... When it is that bad I leave and come back the next day. Looking forward to the change and am glad that something like this is being implemented. Wade

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Going through your gallery and deleting old stuff that you don't really like any more can increase your creativity. I wiped my gallery at the start of the year and have been working hard to fill it again ever since. But the images I'm making now, I find, are more satifying and of better quality than what was there before. And that was the only time I uploaded 3 in one day when I started restocking my gallery. Catlin

OK, I take back my suggestion about total gallery limits. :-) However, like a lot of folks here, I sure do wish that more members were less indiscriminate about what they post. Of course, most members don't appear to post to these forums, so who knows if they're even aware that it's considered an issue? And then of course there's what someone called the "art jury" conundrum. One person's garbage is another's treasure. There's no way I'd show anyone my earliest Poser renders at this point, but at the time, I was very pleased with them. :-)

Instead one image per day we should have seven images per week.Many people do not just have time at every day to even open computer(like me). And many times some images are "connected" with same story,motive or anything else and they should be loaded at same time. Anyway I doubt we wil see significant speed increase. Greetings...........Wojtek......... P.S.To JC_01 and others like him:there is some art which does not have to be rendered,like photography,hand painting,art made with Photoshop or Painter.

why not to automaticaly delete that images which after N days have less then X views and/or less then Y comments and/or less then Z rankings ?

because some images have a certain meaning to the artist even if they aren't the most popular images..

ok, i deleted the biggest part of my gallery and ... oops... it's getting faster! lol ;-). i understand that r'osity gets nothing from my postings here, and that i get nothing from posting here either... so if someone misses some of my fractals, they are at http://zazzle.com (all comments are welcome there too :-)) where i get a check every month for the posters and cards i can sell there. it's a really good thing with this money, i send it all to the children's hunger relief fund. sorry for not having noticed earlier that i am just a weight for this server. :-(

qaryon said "why not to automaticaly delete that images which after N days have less then X views and/or less then Y comments and/or less then Z rankings ?" Another reason for not doing this is that you'd cull every one of the galleries that doesn't have a high viewing rate, which would be pretty unfair, and would also not have much effect on the bandwidth used (cos those images aren't getting viewed much). Thinking about it, maybe they could lessen the bandwidth by removing all the images with high viewing rates ;) (this suggestion of mine is not to be taken seriously - its a joke)

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sophielerlei, I hope you were kidding because I happen to LIKE your images!

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[image of R'osity with gun pointed at foot] 'cause that's just what you're doin'! shooting yourself in your proverbial foot. it isn't a question of bandwidth. it isn't a question of heavy usage. it isn't a question of too many images. it's most definitely a question of poor network administration, bad software and greed. R'osity isn't "giving" us anything. we on the other hand are providing them with a means of making money. it's not out of the goodness of their heart that they allow us to post. we post, others view and in the process R'osity sells its wares and peddles to the merchants who sell thru them. i worked for 5 years as a sys admin on a 65,000 user network. yes...that number has the correct amount of zero's. we were the 2nd largest Novell network in the world...2nd only to the U. S. Dept. of Defense. so i know what it's like to have heavy usage. as of 10:45 local time, there are 1363 users on R'osity. a 5 blade server "farm" and proper bandwidth could put this site in the stratosphere...if R'osity would spring for the money to do it.

you folks of course do what you think best for yourself. i think it's time to wave bye bye. i've made some great friends here and will remain in contact with them regardless of my status online. been real, been fun...take care one and all. censorship just isn't my cup of tea. and for monetary reasons to boot.

sigh bye gene :[ keep in touch

you're not lucky enough to get rid of me that easily Cyn. lol love ya and great big hugs...gene

I haven't had time to read this entire thread so if this is addressed above, please just give me a nice hat to wear while I get banished again to the JarJar corner (his tongue keeps slapping the one remaining hair on my head and I'm not fast enough to grab it). I have had this happen ... upload an image and there's a problem. Either technical connection glitch or I just grabbed the wrong file. If so, am I done for the day or can I get it loaded after deleting the erroneous upload? Maybe after a deletion the counter resets? Or maybe I can get a sympathetic mod to assist? Otherwise, I am very delighted at the change. Good idea. Glad to see some wisdom in this. I especially like the paid deal for the mass production type users.

"I also support this change in policy. Renderosity is already generous as it is, as regards the galleries." I couldn't agree more. I've lived in towns that don't have 3d mags at the store, and don't have graphics at community colleges. I learned all I know about 3d from the forums and helpful people here and it hasn't cost me tens of thousands!!! Osity is the most visited place I go on the net at home. "There's no place like home, there's no place like home." Good job. Best wishes. Keep at it!

I think uploading 1 image a day (to gain speed performance) is fine, but I also understand peoples' need to upload more pics a day as they can't spread their upload over several days. So a 7-pics/week limitation would be much more practical then 1-pic/day. Folks think about it: this is 365 pics per year - and now think honest and reasonable - who produces so much ???!!! Nobody - at least not if that stuff is at least mediocre... Paying for extras is ok for me (although I have no way to do so via internet), but I think it's the wrong direction to limit the number of gallery images, cuz art is not measureable an we would loose a lot of art, ideas, impressions and inspirations !!!

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Art can be done quickly and not be mediocre. Photography, fractals, 2D, Terragen, etc, all can have rather quick times of production, but does not mean that their art is mediocre at all. Just doesn't take a week to setup and render like we have in the 3D world. So it is possible to still be a great artist and produce that much. People do it all the time.

Actually Eric, I had that same question after doing it last night...

hmatienzo, yes it was a joke... the server did not really get faster because i deleted some of my images ;-). but i did not delete them all... and surely will upload some new ones. but not as much as before, because it is also true that renderosity sells no more prints since a long time and so i can get nothing from posting fractals here. i don't see any reason to pay for just share images. this brings nothing at all. and i also agree with miche. it will not bring more space or less traffic, and it will also not bring any money IMO, it can only bring more galleries because it is easy to sign up with a few nicknames to avoid the payment for more than one upload per day. i have my own homepage with free server space and no advertising, i know some other good places to post fractals. and for me it's not really necessary to post here with a bad feeling of "sophielerlei is always too much".... i don't want to say goodbye and all this... we just will see how it comes further. i'm not away, and you know now where you find my work, even to buy for your home if you want :-)

oh, and THANKS for the compliment! :-) thanks for taking the time to look in my gallery. it is smaller now, but still there :-)

its funny,,i dont think this is going to solve the speed problem at all..dont see how it could..renderosity is slow as all get out recently, and im not just talking about checking the galleries, i dont have the patience or inclination to be at a site that takes 5 minutes to load a page,if it works at all..usuall takes about 3 clicks on a link to even get it to go through be it galleries,marketplace or forums, its "all" SLOW. and as a merchant its kind of hard to justify my time and effort to produce products, when for 50% of my sales i cant even get decent representaion. the gallery limits thing is fine, but it does nothing to address the real problems with this place. as far as im concerned another tree just fell in the forest..and still no one heard it.

"because some images have a certain meaning to the artist even if they aren't the most popular images.. " - answered miyu at my proposition (why not to automaticaly delete that images which after N days have less then X views and/or less then Y comments and/or less then Z rankings ?) well, i think thet the place for that images witch "have a certain meaning [only] to the artist" is not here, in a public place

I may be up to that $5 a month even if I don't use the service. I am really suprised that membership to Renderosity is free!

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At last! Just a pity it comes at a time when I can only visit the site a couple of times a week. Better late than never, though ;) I don't mind paying for services - I pay at GFX and digitalart - but I won't be paying for this one simply because I'll never need to upload 3 images in a day. It's not an unreasonable request for those that want to, however. Despite what the people say, there aren't many quality sites where you get a similar service for free (e.g. digitalart you can wait weeks for your images to be approved unless you're Premium, Epilogue is difficult to get approved whether you donate or not, GFX you have to host your own images unless you pay, etc.) One image a day is plenty. That last person who told me he could do 3 quality images in a day was Legume, and look what happened to him...

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Well, for all you folks that think one can't complete three images in a day, yer wrong. I often work on several scenes at once. I choose which ones I'm satisfied enough with to upload here then sign and jpg them and upload. Doesn't mean I'd upload 3 per day 7 days a week. I'm not screaming for the limit to be reinstituted. It's merely an inconvenience. I'm certainly not going to pay to upload more than one a day. That's nuts. But I'm not sure this new policy will have the effect planned. I think there are actually VERY FEW who upload 3 images a day 7 days a week.

wow thats an improvement, uploading 7 images a week, or do you have to upload 1 image a day to get that quotum of 7 images a week ... and tresamie is right, it's always money money money ... time to make a free art site LOL oh but there are more sites where you can upload art for free smile and i am sure many members will just go away ... and i bet, you can only pay with a creditcard ...

Huh? I don't upload even 7 images a week. It's just that when I DO upload, which isn't all that often, I may upload 2 or 3 at once. I was only uploading about 12 a MONTH.

My upload method is to upload the image first with necessary comments etc., and then after the image is placed to hit the 'edit' button and upload the thumb. The reason for this lengthy procedure is when I first started my gallery earlier this year my uploads were highly pixelated and distorted. After querying several forums it was suggested that I try the separate upload method. I don't know if the conflict with the software was ever resolved but I continue to use the lengthy procedure which results in spending twice as much time online for each image. Mivan

After listening to folks and reading all of this thread... I would prefer the 7 per week.. same number of images, but but more freedom for the artists on how to display their work.. I don't have a problem with limits.. Image and file size limits could be trimmed somewhat as well in my opinion..

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Hm...I'm not going to pay $5 to continue doing what I've already been allowed to do, which is upload 3 images a day if I had 3 images to upload. But, one image a day isn't all that bad, so it's not really a problem for me. Also nice to see that several others believe in weeding out their galleries. I weed mine out ever so often (have a good look at it every 2 weeks or so), something I started during the 10% byebye debacle. I'm someone who has their own domain(s), so I have a place to put my older graphics. http://dragondigitalis.com , if anyone's interested. If you are thinking about getting space of your own, and don't want to deal with forced advertising from free sites, check out http://drylinehosting.com . Check my homepage for a coupon.

just hope that the uploads aren't user dependent for some designers use just one computer to upload their art ... and if you have uploaded a design which isn't commented that much, you can always edit it and upload a different one, without having the restrictions of 1 image a day smile

i always upload 3 at a time in the photo gallery but only once a week, if that... i like to work out a storyline or series... 7 a week sounds better to me :]

It won't make any sense if we have less uploads per week but at the same time, the number of visitors increase, this will stress the server anyway. A bad excuse (in the sense that it's not the only factor that causes the server stress) was used to justify the fees, but it is necessary, it's to keep the site alive. "It's definitely something new. I wonder what Rubens, Cezanne, Dali or Warhol would have said if somebody told them about a place where 90,000 artists gather?" I don't know what the others would say, but Warhol probably would say "Nevermind if you can't see all these 90,000 artists works. In 15 minutes we will have some new 90,000 artists".

I wish I had the damn time to make ONE half decent image per day, let alone 3. ~lol~

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One image per day is fine. No fees. Keep it free. I agree with others who said to clean up their gallery. I did that just this morning--got rid of a great number of my old images. I already pay to have all my images on Webshots. I don't get the many comments there, but I sure get lots of views. Question: Does this have something to do with the legislation about internet taxation? I think the moritorium that was placed on internet taxing will be up tomorrow. I believe this taxation issue is not just for taxing internet sales. I believe it is much broader.

One image per day is fine. No fees. Keep it free. I agree with others who said to clean up their gallery. I did that just this morning--got rid of a great number of my old images. I already pay to have all my images on Webshots. I don't get the many comments there, but I sure get lots of views. Question: Does this have something to do with the legislation about internet taxation? I think the moritorium that was placed on internet taxing will be up tomorrow. I believe this taxation issue is not just for taxing internet sales. I believe it is much broader. kansas (Marion)

The Future:

Feb 2004: Due to pressure on severs Free Gallery Uploads limited to 3 Images per week.

April 2004: Due to pressure on severs Free Gallery Uploads limited to 1 Image per week.

June 2004: New in the RMP "Unlimited Gallery Viewing Licence" for 1 year, "just $5".
All other members limited to viewing 200 images per week!

Yah 'dat's commerce!!!!!!

I love the smell of money.

Interesting.... uploading... bandwidth... seems to me (but I am only on the outside looking in) that the site slows down relative to the number of logged in members...now if the number of people logged in is over 2000, the site crawls (even on DSL)... but never considered that this might be because people are UPLOADING so many images when I am just visiting & looking at the gallery images. But I guess the "worker bees" behind the scenes know.. and I hope that the upload limit does help speed up the site. I love to visit the galleries but have no time to wait a full minute while my art comment is posted or for pages to change. That really spoils the little bits of time I have to visit the galleries! I DID upload three a day.. BUT only once every 2-3 weeks! I would do several images and then just make one 'upload visit' at a time... Knowing the limit, I will still be creating art the way I do (in between commercial projects) but will remember to just do one a day, three days in a row I suppose.. no problem. I just hope that one way or another the site can keep it's speed with the ever growing membership! I guess only time will tell if the upload limit allows for an increase in speed... then MORE time will tell if enough members want to spend the $$ that may help financialy with the bandwidth limits..

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I get the feeling that the main problem here is either the servers need renewing or the programmers need to improve the code used on the site. Recently there have been people logging in and finding they are logged in as someone else, this suggests that there is severe problems with the code. The one good thing with the code problem was the recent increase in numbers viewing images in the gallery. It was lovely to see that I had 900 people look at one of my images, although the one which said I had 5 comments and no viewing was a bit dubious. lol 8) Catlin

Just a suggestion: Still limit the maximum uploads per week to 7, but allow a maximum uploads per day of 3, that way the overall bandwidth reduction should still be as great but members have slightly more flexiblity - especially for those folks who don't often get chance to upload.

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How about every member has a gallery limit of 12 or 24 submissions. When they reach the limit they have to delete something to post another. I know some people feel they need to post 3 Victorias with blank stares a day, that can be done as long as they have 3 empty slots. As for getting that member's last dollar in Renderosity's pocket, charge for extra gallery pages. Say everybody starts with 12, and charge whatever for extra pages of 12 or such. The crap will still flow steady, but at least it won't get all piled up as much.

I like MakinMagic's idea. I've never actually created three images in one day. But I tend to upload all at once, when I'm in the mood. I've been a member of Rosity for over a year, and only have 20 images in my gallery, so it's not like I upload a lot. But when I do, it's usually several at once. Or it was.

Well, I bought the 3 per day.. and it still wont let me upload!! grrrrrrrrrrrrr.. going off to take my 5 bucks back!

I don't mean to be rude or anything, just making an observation. I was under the impression that the gallery changes were to help speed up the server. The past two days have been much worse on my end. I have DSL and there have been long periods of time when I can not even access the site at all. It just times out while trying to load. I'm sure it will take time to get the glitches worked out, but I certainly hope this change will in the long run pay off. Liz

Liz, I agree - it's been worse, not better, in the speed department. Last night, Rosity was completely unavailable for me from just before 10pm on. Maybe it will calm down with time, but in the short term, I have a feeling the tighter limit is actually increasing uploads. Just like shortages make people rush out to buy and hoard stuff they don't need, people are now rushing to upload their daily pic, just in case they regret not doing it later.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if they limited the uploads to one per week and only allowed the images to stay 90 days. There's way too much to look at already. I hate to visit the galleries because it is overwhelming.

um, wow. not that I matter much, having far too little belief in my own self importance, but I'm brave enough to venture my feeble minded thoughts on the issue: eh. No big deal. hmmm. yeah, that about sums it up. :)

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Could you make it easier for us to delete our old images? Say put a check box next to each image when we view our gallery and you could check all that you want deleted, and hit a delete button at the bottom. IF it was faster and easier, I am sure that I would (and others) be more in tune to purging our old gallery. And the reason that we haven't is that it is too much of a pain to sort through some of our older stuff!

"Could you make it easier for us to delete our old images? Say put a check box next to each image when we view our gallery and you could check all that you want deleted, and hit a delete button at the bottom." I suggested this a while back, on the home page image list, because I wanted to clean out one of my galleries, but I think the idea got lost in the ether. Reducing image and thumb size limits would speed up the site, I reckon. For a start off, I vote we limit the size of all VIATWAS images to 10K.

Funny, I saw this coming about 2 years ago when I suggested a voluntary limit on uploads. Just because it's a "virtual world" on here does not mean it's infinite. Can you imagine if this was a real world gallery? It would require a 900 million dollar building with 15 million square feet and growing. Perhaps another solution may be to limit everyone's gallery space to 200 or 400 images.

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With all the supposed improvement going on around here cn anyone tell me why it is becoming even more difficult to open pages?, ie. getting page not found, SQL overload even when there aren't too many people online and when pages do open they take forever. There have been times over the past couple of weeks when I've had to go elsewhere because this site was just unuseable, and it's getting worse daily. I'm not the only one here either that is having these problems and most of these folk are connecting from Europe. It appears that what you have done has slowed down the site rather than speed it up. 8( Catlin

I'm not in Europe and I still have problems. I'm in the states and I do agree that things have been getting worse. But I am hopeful that these things are only temporary. Though, in the mean time, I'm sure some of the other sites apprecieate my business as well when I need something and can't log in here to buy it.

This is getting to be rediculous...Im now on SAT...running most times faster than T1...until I come here...then I have to wait longer actually for a page to load than I was waiting when I had dialup :(

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I agree with Miyu in post # 34 and she said it all :) Spend more time on the images and one upload per day is way enough :)

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