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Interesting reading......

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Digital WasteLanD

hmmm.....i average about 1 image every week or two, do this really doesnt affect me, but the whole 5$ thing kinda gave me shivers as to what may come of renderosity in the next year.... thanks for the link though.

I think I'm averaging about an image every two months here, so it won't likely affect me either. Actually, come to think of it, with Bryce's render speed, it may not affect too many people in this forum at all. Yeah, the $5 thing got me too. A few other interesting points have been raised in some of the follow up posts about gallery removal for people who have seemingly left and the idea of having a maximum gallery size. (Interesting, but don't think I'd want them enforced).

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I actually welcome it. :) I'm a slow working Bryce-person. I have posted more in the photography forum, - but still far less then 3 images a day. I'm very critical as of what I put up there, and I try to keep inventory, - i.e keep it reasonably small. Which means, that I'm prolly more self critical many others around here. They might have wanted to diversify a little though, so that if you're working with several applications/art forms, you could have one image in each gallery. But that's not that important.

Personally I can't see people pumping out 21 quality images a week (3/day). Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are folks out there with enough talent to just about make a masterpiece out of just about anything they attempt but I think the average person rolls out a lot less quality work than that in a weeks time and I think people should be striving to only roll out their best renders into their galleries not experimental WIP's. WIP's are fine for forum discussion but not to be stored on valuable space doing nothing. Sometimes people fall behind projects and can have 3 or 4 projects cooking in the oven at the same time and on average, it takes a couple of days to get your work into public exhibit mode. So even if youve fallen behind with 3 or 4 works, the once per day upload policy still affords you plenty of leeway and sounds reasonable. Obviously there's a bandwidth problem and I agree with what some of the posters are saying. Like limiting the number of pieces in a persons gallery and limiting the number of uploads per week. The problem presents itself when making the decision how many art pieces is to be kept in your private gallery. People should be weeding out their galleries from time to time and perhaps moving out those pieces which seem to have lost their luster or stuff thats been there like forever with only one viewing to its name. A personal gallery limit of say 40 50 pieces also seems reasonable to me. But those decisions hopefully, are left in better hands. You will always get that public reaction when people feel someone is just looking for a fast way to dip their hands into your hard earned cash. But lets be reasonable and admit that these folks are providing us with a lot of web space. Sure theyre cashing in on us also. You open a Renderosity store agreement with them, they get a big chunk of the take (I believe its something like 40% if Im not mistaken) but lets face it, theyre doing a lot of the behind the scenes paperwork and necessary transactions that most of us shy away from. Not only that, but Im sure a lot of us have purchased from them so we supply them with the demand and customer base as well. So they are making money on us. And theres nothing wrong with that as long as its reasonable. Now theyre looking to limit the web space unless you decide that you absolutely need to upload more 21 images per week. Theyre wanting to charge a $5.00 fee and a $5.00 one time setup charge ($10.00 total). This will help them limit bandwidth space and make them extra income at the same time. Sort of like web hosting charges that you can get on other web sites. I would suggest that if this bothers anyone, take your $10.00 and open your own web space, store all or most of the your gallery stuff there (use it to weed out your personal gallery). And when you reached your daily upload limit here at Renderosity, open your own Gallery on your own web site and upload to the limits of your agreement. There are plenty of good options out there so if you decide to go that route, shop around first. But I find nothing wrong with Renderositys proposal.

There is another aspect to this, that is that I try to keep up actually looking at people's work. I know that I feel if I've put lot of work into an image, I really appreciate it when people stop by, and comment on it. When the galleries are flooded, it is impossible to keep up, how much I really want to. When the amount in the galleries are limited, there will be a fair chance that people's work actually will get noticed, - and commented. Which in all makes for a much more social place. :)

Well, I rarely upload an image a week, nevermind 3+ a day. I can't even imagine who this would be a problem for. Unless you have absolutely nothing else to do, ever, it's impossible to come up with 3 quality images a day.

I love this community, but quite honestly, I wouldn't pay for it. Which I am afraid will come next. They allready take 50% of sales etc. I mean they've made over $200 off of me recently and I'm not even close to a top seller.

just as long as they don't start charging for regular access..

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50% Ornlu? I didn't know it was that high! Now that's a heavy hit on your creations. I thought 40% was high but then kind of evened out when you considered the backroom dealings. 50% is a little much in my book.

The people it might affect (thinking out loud here) the most would be photographers. If they go out somewhere, finish off a roll of film, get it developed, then they may very well have a pile of good stuff they want to post in one day.

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This thing about R'osity charging traders 50% is a bit rediculous though, 'cos at other favourite forum sites they're actually decreasing the percentage they're charging traders. They could end up with having no one selling goods here at all. Catlin

It's about time! I've been hoping for a one-a-day limit for a long time. Not only should it speed up the site (and it sure needs it), but you won't have to see three images in a row by the same person, which is annoying to me. I'm not sure why you'd actually pay to post more?

I agree 50% is very steep... I'm sure they have their reasons, but I know how that could draw some to other sites to sell.. Incidentally, if I read right, even exclusively rederosity sold stuff, is still 50%, so in my eyes, there's no real benefit to have something sold exclusively here...(not that I have even started in the marketplace, but I have been researching some...lol)

Hum, I didn't think of the Photographers. But yeah, I would imagine they would need their own special arrangements.

3DCommune only takes a 30% cut, but they don't have near the amount of visitors to their store as we do here. I think 50% is fair, but I don't sell much anyway ;-)

It's not time or space...it's money. It's always money. Why don't they just say so?

Fractals will always amaze me!

Clap-clap-clap.. about time they limit it.. maybe this will clean up the Bryce gallery a bit.

I love the new limit rule. As for the 5 dollar deal, well I'm not sure about. They say the new limit on uploads will speed up renderosity, yet they will still allow people 3 uploads if they fork over the five. Will the five dollars be used to offset the slowness? To me it's sort of like saying... People are walking accross the lawn and killing the grass, so we have a new "no walking on the grass" rule. However, if you pay us a fee, you can still walk on the grass.

Yep, it is about time they introduced the image per day limit. WOW, did they finally look at the result of the poll regarding this topic from several months ago? One im sure they thought the members would hopefully forget. I too get a little ticked off at seeing 18 images on a page but 9 of those images are by just 3 artists. Happens quite abit. I think this move is good for the artist posting as well as for the person that is viewing the galleries. The charging a $5.00 fee and a $5.00 one time setup charge I don't see a problem. Certainly doesn't affect me and I really don't see to many people wanting to take it up. However, the idea of limiting the artist gallery is one I would not like to see. For me there are a lot of artists that have outstanding galleries with alot of wonderful works. Most of these excellent artists have over 80 images which I love going back and seeing because its great seeing the huge improvments/progress that these people have made over the years they have been here. Also your gallery images have a historical value such as the "comments". If I had a gallery that was limited to just 40 images and all had a large number of comments, then for me when I upload my 41st image it would be very hard to get rid of an image that may have 30 - 40 comments. Now would people want to see the Toxic's, Hobbit's Rochr's and Alvin's start removing images from their galleries all because they have too many, gees I wouldn't. Yes most have their own websites but alot don't. I don't know, that is just me. So I guess we just wait and see what happens.

Personally limiting the upload to one-a-day in the bryce gallery wouldn't bother me. But since I post in the bryce gallery and in the photography gallery, and sometimes even in the mixed gallery, one-a-day doesn't quite seem fair. Perhaps a one-a-day-per-gallery-solution would be a better solution for the artists. As to cuting down on gallery sizes, I'm not guite in to that either, and as Sking said, I want to be able to see the progress of people.

Hum, I didn't think of that SKing, but you make a very good point concerning the limits on personal galleries. Muddygrub, that's a funny and excellent analogy with the grass.

Cutting down of gallery sizes will most likely never happen. This is a matter of bandwidth, not server space. And, we all know the vast majority of bandwidth is generated by new pictures, not the older ones. I don't agree with the cutting down of uploads to one a day, but most members were for it, so no skin off my back at all, I don't come close to 3 a day, unless I've just been lazy, and am playing catch up. Actually, this change was started by one of the Bryce Forum regulars...I forget who it was that truly took the subject to it's (newest) heights. Renderosity isn't doing this to try and get money from members, lol, they know that almost everybody is cool with the 1 a day upload rule, but they also wanted to give another option to others that wanted more. They aren't expecting to make any money with that option, lol. AgentSmith

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