I just wanted to say what a great help Vue D'Esprit is for Poser... like, I've been wanting to do this kind of renders for MONTHS, and I couldn't accomplish any of this neither with Poser nor Bryce 5 nor mojoworld nor anything else.

I was building this huge city in poser, all time wasted now, because building the city in Vue is much more easier and system resource friendly... still, some of the buildings are actually Poser .pz3 scenes imported into Vue, they integrate so well...

I sound like a commercial for vue, but it's just that I'm really happy that I can overcome the frustration caused by Poser... Poser is great for that: for Posing, but for everything else, you have to outsource, definately... Vue is still flawed, but not as much as Poser.

and I'm glad that Vue actually renders only what's on screen, and it's not rendering that whole offscreen mountain on your back while you're trying to render a small ball prop in front of you...

still, Vue on its own probably wouldn't be that great, so I'm just recognizing the amazing power you can get by mixing both programs... that whole building in the back is just a solid block with a Glass window material (or was it glass tower?)...

so if you need to do heavy stuff with poser like me (I'm making a graphic novel, the post is somewhere else here at 'rosity) and you haven't ever tried Vue, well, give it a try.

gosh, and I ended up sounding like a Vue salesman anyway... darnit.

Max

here's an interesting tidbit... I just received via email an offer from e-on to purchase Vue4.2 for $99 ...this offer is for Poser users. there is a ricirocal arrangement for Vue users to purchase Poser5 for $149... I already bought Vue4 in a similar offer for Bryce users. its a great program, and at $99 is a steal.

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$99?! I paid...a lot more. But it was still worth it. IMO, nothing beats Vue for Poser compatibility. And it's very easy to learn. Easier than Poser. And quicker and more stable when it comes to doing big, complicated renders. I love it. The only drawback is that E-on is kind of clueless when it comes to support. sometimes, it's hard to even give them your money. They mean well, but they can be very disorganized.

I've heard nothing but really bad comments about E-on's support... still, the program hasn't given me any problems I feel i should contact them about.

most questions get anwered over in the Vue forum... guitta has great tutorials as well.

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guitta and the artists in the Vue forum are AMAZING! I too am a Poser person linking to Vue. The renders and lighting are wonderful. It really improves the quality. cheerio lululee

In spite of some relatively minor problems, I can't speak highly enough of the Poser/Vue combo.

I just bought Vue a few weeks ago. It was Vue's new P5 compatibility that sold me.

From now on, I am going to be doing all of my posing in P5, but ALL of my rendering in Vue.

As I mentioned in another thread in the Vue forum: It's a pleasure to watch a complex P5 scene render in Vue, WITHOUT LOCKING UP!

Amazing....astounding....impossible.

But, no more infuritating P5 render lock-ups to deal with! And Vue is MUCH faster.

P5/Vue. All the way.

For those of you without Vue, you don't know what you are missing. Buy it.

(And, no, I don't work for e-on.).

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I totally share everyone's enthusiasm about using Poser with Vue. It's a happy marriage. I've never had problems that merited contacting e-on, but for many issues, there's plenty of support right here in the Vue forum and Back Room. They're great resources. There are some outstanding Vue landscape artists who don't have Poser or never use it with Vue, but for much of what I want to do it's necessary to use 'em together.

Okay, I've read this thread with interest, but two questions: 1.)Can Vue handle the atmosphere stuff that Poser 5 does so beautifully? 2.) is Vue still worth taking on as a render engine if you aren't doing big background scenes, but simply want a better render engine for your Poser scenes that have lots of props and light settings that make it render slowly in Poser?

1. Vue does do atmospheric effects, though it handles them differently than Poser. Basically, when you import a Poser scene, you only import the objects and textures, not the lighting. Vue's lighting is in many ways superior to Poser's. You can do point light sources, for example. 2) Yes. Vue is so much faster and more stable. However, I still render in Poser 5 sometimes. Vue will import Poser 5 scenes, but not dynamic hair or cloth (yet - they promise it's coming soon). So any image using the hair or cloth rooms must be rendered in Poser 5. Also, you have to set your runtimes up carefully if you're planning to render in Vue, because Vue will only load from the main runtime.

Hi pookah, I can answer #2 see this: ambushed This image was posed in Poser, and the entire scene imported to Vue for lighting and rendering. Disregard the smoke and beam, that was done in postwork. IMHO, I think vue's lighting is lot better than poser's

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All the above statements about Vue are right on in my opinion. It is a very good program that only lacks good customer support. But I have seen it said more than once that Vue does not import Poser5 dynamic hair and cloth. This is true about the hair but I have imported Poser5 dynamic cloth animations and it works quite well. This is using the Vue 4.2 update.

I have wanted to get vue since version 2! So version 4 should be great...

How is View with the Millenium people? Thanks Keith

I haven't installed the very latest update, because as it is, I can use Vue with both Poser 4 and 5. As I understand it, if I installed the update, I'd have to choose one or the other. When I import dynamic cloth, it comes in, but it doesn't conform to the figure correctly. Close, but not exact. Dynamic hair doesn't come in at all. Still, it's a minor detail. I don't work with dynamic cloth that often. They said they will support it eventually, and I'm sure they will.

Vue works fine with Vicky, Mike, etc. You just have to install them (and their hair, clothing, textures, etc.) in the main runtime. Basically, anything that works in Poser will work in Vue, except dynamic hair and cloth.

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12368&Form.ShowMessage=1517850

One small issue that I have had to deal with: watch out for the "texture cloning" problem that can occur when importing a Poser scene into Vue (See this thread in the Vue forum).

But, there is a workaround.

And Vue renders are beautiful.

Buy Vue.

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I LOVE VUE!!! Brings a whole new meaning to creating with Poser...just go check out the galleries(vue)....no offense to Poser gallery, but IMHO....VUE has the best pics going. Most look like real photo's to me and a MUCH wider variety..... Good Luck!!! Poser+Vue rock :)

Message for randym77: Not sure about Poser4, but the Vue4.2 update will allow importation from either PoserProPak or Poser5. There is no visible difference, that I can see, from a cloth simulation created in Poser5 and the same simulation imported into Vue.

Can Vue use Poser 5 materials at all? I downloaded the 4.2 demo but it only seems to import the old fashioned P4 style materials, not the new shader node based materials. Also, it says you can "grow realistic vegetation" but all I can find is a small set of pre-prepared plant props. Can you actually make your own vegetation or are you stuck with what they offer?

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Ajax; What you're stuck with are plant -species-. Solid Growth(tm) is a system where the plants are defined by parameters, so that you could create a dozen of them, and no two would be the same (there may be a repeat point somewhere, but it's out there a bit). One of the things being agitated for are more species....

Obviously vue cant do all poser 5 stuff I dont have vue but im guessing that it cant do the p5 hair (which is a bit crap anyway) and it probably cant do the poser 5 procedural textures. It can`t make you a cup of coffee when you are using your computer either...

E-on said when they released the latest update that it did not support cloth (or hair). In fact, their web site still says that: "Certain features such as hair and cloth are not supported in this release." Can you use both PP and P5 at the same time with update? I was told at the time of the release that you had to choose one or the other, at the time you ran the patch. (Because it only looks in one directory for textures and such.) The only way to switch directories (i.e., versions of Poser) was to run the update patch again. Plants...at the moment, the plants available within Vue itself are very limited, and you can't make your own. I gather the new, more expensive version lets you make your own vegetation, but the $99 version doesn't. They've promised to make more species available at their web site, some for free, some for $10, but so far, there isn't much. Vue can import trees and such made with XFrog and other programs. If you look in Free Stuff, you'll see a few nice plants made for Vue. And you can of course import any trees and such made for Poser.

I used to render everything directly in Poser, but lately, I've been moving more and more to rendering my Poser scenes in Vue. It does look a lot better. Melanie

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I did a few trees from RDNA in Vue...these were imported as pa3 files into Vue...no post...straight Vue render. The new P5 materials will not work in Vue. I've tried this...there is a thread here about that somewhere as well. In order for that to happen, Vue would have to use the same material system. It does import directly P4/PP/P5 pz3 files with the noteexceptions on the p5 hair, cloth, and materials.

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Perhaps some kind person can post a Poser image rendered both in Poser and in Vue, and show us the difference in quality? Just a thought.

Wow, Dave, thanks for the examples. I've got to get those trees. Been looking at them for a while, but I think I'd better get them now. Those look great in Vue! Melanie

Pookah69 there wont be much difference in "quality" though I think that the poser 5 renderer is very much improved on poser 4. A render in vue and poser 5 will be equally very good. Some poser 4 renders are good also :)

the whole "look" is much dependent on how skillful you are using the applications. However, the render engine and light attributes make a very very big difference. IMO, Vue excels at its ability to have realistic outdoor lighting. It is a landscape program. Those trees I rendered were just imported and rendered, using Vue "ultra" mode....but only 1 point light was added to make the objects more visible. NO bump channel was used in the material editor...still looks mighty fine. I've tried doing some portrait work in Vue, but IMO setting the lights and camera is a bit more difficult than Poser...not sure if I've seen any portraits in Vue exhibited here...

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It's never occurred to me to do portraits in Vue. I'm going to have to try that and see how that works. Melanie

A simple scene, Rendered in P5. Firefly Production Render, standard P5 lighting. Post-worked a bit to lighten the image.

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The same scene, rendered in Vue d'Espirit 4.2. "Final" quality render, two lights (sun + one spotlight).

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Please note: the Vue render required about 1 minute. The Poser render required about 2.5 minutes.

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Hmm...thanks for posting the images. Not sure if any conclusions can be drawn other than difference in speed of rendering, because the lighting is so different, which could be the cause of difference in detail in the fabric of the dress, etc..

I dont see much difference in the two renders. If you use the fake hdri lights in poser you could recreate almost exactly the vue desprit render. Lighting is usually the main difference in most 3d progs.

Please note: I am new to Vue. About 1 month experience. Some of the true Vue artists can do this far better than I. But, to me, these quick renders, with mostly default settings ((except to add a spotlight in the Vue render, and to lighten the P5 render in postwork)) show a fundamental difference in rendering capabilities between the two programs. Take your pick - but I, for one, vote for Vue.

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Here's one in Vue...looking at it, the lighting obviously needs some work, but the potential of one fine image is evident. I'm pretty new using Vue as well...haven't worked with the lighting much....

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Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=123099&Start=37&Artist=agiel&ByArtist=Yes

If anybody is still reading this thread.... I have been using Vue and Poser since the beginning of Vue 4. I like the control Vue offers to position lights and fine tune lighting. I made a comparison between the two a while ago. This link is for the poser version.

• agiel - www.linfa.net

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=124187&Start=37&Artist=agiel&ByArtist=Yes

And this link is for the Vue equivalent.

• agiel - www.linfa.net

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=506501&Start=1&Artist=agiel&ByArtist=Yes

But this is not a good example as I happen to prefer the softer feel of the poser version :) So, to illustrate the power of Vue lighting with Poser scenes, here is a final example ...

• agiel - www.linfa.net