Stupid topic header, ha ha I tricked you! No, seriously, folks, I finally got to do a "good" render of a window concept. It's grouped all correctly, now I just have to do the scaling, if necessary... This is all Bryce 4, no postwork, and the "Outside" is just an old render of some hills. I wanted to put screens in, but you'd need TIR to make that work properly. Well not TIR, but Ray Depth... Still, any feedback or suggestions would be great! Thanks for checking it out...