Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: new free character

geoegress opened this issue on Nov 24, 2003 · 64 posts


geoegress posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 5:40 PM

Attached Link: http://www.marinenet.co.jp/z3d/

I was crusing sites when I ran accross this- don't remember seeing it before

xantor posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 5:47 PM

That is a good site I have been there before they have a lot of downloads and they have some english in the download page which is helpful.


PapaBlueMarlin posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 5:51 PM

I don't remember hearing of it either. I've looked through the site. There's a lot of great stuff there.



mathman posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 5:56 PM

Please please please .... use the NUDITY link !


geoegress posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 6:04 PM

no nudity on that- grow up


mathman posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 6:07 PM

I am grown up .... ....and she has no clothes on, so she's nude. Its better to use the nudity link in a case like this.


MBaker posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 6:12 PM

If she were behind a screen and she had no clothes on would you need the nudity link? NO. Because her private parts would not be on show (Nude or not) and they are not on show here, therefore I see no need for a nudity link. Are you offended by the sight of bare skin??


mathman posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 6:23 PM

Whether the privates are showing is not the issue .... using the nudity link is not a measure of a person's prudishness, it's more as a warning. Hypothetical - a R'osity member surfing the Poser forum during their lunch break at work (quite legit in many workplaces) just happens to have this character displaying on their PC screen just as the boss walks past. This is what the nudity link is for, not as a prude alert. (FWIW, I have no problem with the image in case that was the impression).


MBaker posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 6:38 PM

I suggest if you have a problem with renderosity's TOS and rules then you take it up with the admin and not under an article which abides by rederosity's rules. If you are worried about your boss then I suggest not browsing sites that have thousands of nudity images or those showing skin like this one. And should you be using the company computer to browse renderosity? Question? If this "person" was caught by the boss looking at something they shouldn't on a company PC then is that the fault of the "person" or the image they are viewing? Food for thought.


akura_ posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 6:38 PM

any clothes or hair for her


geoegress posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 6:42 PM

just reporting what I found akura :) havn't used it yet trying to do something nice for a change -lol


mathman posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 6:43 PM

MBaker - in what way do I have a problem with renderosity's TOS and rules ?


Riddokun posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 6:48 PM

how adorable.. saw her on a couple of gallery pictures and wondered where she could be found... new character you sy ? new geometry ? compatible with nothing ? aaah.. we already had known that for our dear mayadoll and she is still here ! she did not sink against the flood of v2/v3 :)


akura_ posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 6:57 PM

I just used her and good news if you havn't all ready know, no characters are needed to use her. she is a nice character. keep up the good work in finding these things.


Riddokun posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 6:58 PM

one shouldn't be allowed to create such nie/cute characters, especially with some sick addicts of asiate/japanese girls like me around here :) she need suppot and welcom/birth gifts.. come one lets help her out !


akura_ posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 7:10 PM

GUYS heads up. I think she maybe a new class of character all together because I just realise that when i went under the hair for victoria and poser 4 it fit her with no twicking.


geoegress posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 7:11 PM

mathman- I think what Sir Baker is saying is that those who want to restrict or censor here in the forums allways want to extent what is limited. first it was no nips or pubs- then its only so much skin- it's allways this way with censorship- a slippery slope -how much breast can be showen on the top like clevage or on the sides -how many pub hairs make it not a preteen -what is the minimum cup size what are the standards? we follow them then they get moved back- if you look at that image more is showen in MOST bikinni pictures. it is well within TOS it is NOT my job to patrol your job viewing habits or take care of your kids- I have no brothers keeper- I am no ones keeper in return.


JoeyAristophanes posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 7:15 PM

Geo, it's called "courtesy". Remembver "courtesy"? Courtesy says you click the damn nudity button and get over it and move on.


mathman posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 7:20 PM

I agree, Joey. Also "caution", as well as courtesy.


geoegress posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 7:27 PM

it's also called limitation- fear- censorship- even when within the rules if I can't do whats against your own personal 'political correctness' am I free? the rules are the borders- not courtesy or caution. see - your changing the rules again


JoeyAristophanes posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 7:32 PM

OMG -- you have to click a button out of "fear"? "Limitations"? (Sorry, I don't understand that one at all) You think it's "censorship" to remind folks that the image you're posting is a naked chick? Get real and get thee to Renderotica, where they don't give a damn either way. But spare me your delicate feelings about being persecuted about this. It won't wash.


MBaker posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 7:35 PM

It's such a shame that you can't post a link for the good of the community to help people without someone being childish about it and picking you up on everything they can think of. This image abides by the TOS. This is a great contribution and a helpful link by Geo. WELL DONE Geo!! Do you guys have anything positive that will help the community or did you only come here to Troll!! I haven't seen you say anything about the input geo is giving. It's so easy to criticise others isn't it. Please report this to the admin so they can tell you your wrong or take your negative comments else where. Thank you.


Lyrra posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 7:40 PM

Could everyone chill the heck out please? sheesh No she is not flashing the audience. BUT would you show this to a nun? if the answer is NO, we suggest the nudity tag. The final decision is up to the MODERATORS. We will decide if an image should be flagged or not. Thank you all for your concern, and once again I remind you ALL to stick to discussing the issues and not the people Lyrra the Cranky



Prisoner posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 7:41 PM

Here Here!!!!! Thank you for this great input Geo!!!! I wish certain people would grow up and learn to appreciate the efforts of others. Keep up the good work Geo!!!!


MBaker posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 7:48 PM

Lmao Rofl. Nice 1 Briggie!! Hugs


JoeyAristophanes posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 8:04 PM

I wish certain people would grow up Between this and the nonsense over "Omigod! I can only post one image a day!", it doesn't seem likely. But whatever, folks. Pretty sad day when simple courtesy is seen as a threat to one's sense of "high art". Sorry Lyrra, but this really ticks me off. Yeah, the site is a cool one, one of my regular visits, and Marinenet does some really spectacular work. But that doesn't excuse folks from sliding past the pretty simple concept that if she's not wearing anything, she's nude. I mean, is that so difficult to understand, gang?


hmatienzo posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 8:21 PM

--BUT would you show this to a nun?-- Lyrra, darling... you have no idea, do you! LOL... I went to a private Catholic school run by nuns, and believe me, they were NOT easily shocked at all... Quite the contrary. But of course, that has nothing to do with the needed nudity flag here.

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kingkyle posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 8:24 PM

I cant belive the nerve of geoegress posting suck a image of pure nudity!!! Joey, Geo has always been a trouble maker so take no notice of his latest act of thoughtfullness against us trusting and goodwilled rositarians and YOU geo.. next time you post something of this nature you better make sure its taged and cleansed!!! take now would you please remove that abomination and replace it with this ... improved version ;) kyle

FrenchToast posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 8:27 PM

Freudian slip? nevermind... LoL... this is ALL funny. Thanks for the link.


layingback posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 8:28 PM

Hmmm, getting back on track... akura, Re #10, there are 2 download icons on the right side of website, upper one is character, lower one is the hair.


Lucy_Fur posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 8:29 PM

LMAO@kyle - but we can see her feet!!! Surely this would get her stoned to death in some countries....


Nance posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 8:30 PM

LOL kingkyle! I'd also missed this one. Thanks geoegress (& Zock).


Dave-So posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 8:33 PM

are you allowed to view those naked feet? isn't that against the law somewhere???? By the way...THANKS FOR THE LINK :) GREAT FIND

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Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
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xantor posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 8:53 PM

There are advertisments for shampoo on tv that have as much nudity as this picture. That is during the day when children watch. I thought that was funny. "no nudity on that-grow up" Why would someones boss be bothered by this picture?


Dave-So posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 9:00 PM

"Why would someones boss be bothered by this picture?" They were supposed to be "working" :)

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle, 1854



pakled posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 9:12 PM

sigh..there are some workplaces that have a zero tolerance for nudity..and we don't have a problem with nudity, but our supervisors do (I've seen 2 people lose their jobs immediately over it). The Nudity tag allows for those who choose to look at nudity to decide or not whether they want to see it. For those who don't want to, or aren't allowed to, the 'nudity' tag can save yer butt..so it's a small courtesty. It's not the end of the world , but good jobs are hard to come by, especially lately. So don't get all het up by it, we're just asking for a little fairness..

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)


JoeyAristophanes posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 9:28 PM

Joey, Geo has always been a trouble maker so take no notice of his latest act of thoughtfullness against us trusting and goodwilled rositarians Y'know, I.m sure this kind of crap is just hilarious to you guys, but I have yet to see anyone really respond to the simple fact that IF SHE'S NOT WEARING ANY CLOTHES, SHE'S NUDE and the nudity flag, that oppressive little radio button, happens to apply. So when you finish your six year old giggles, you might want to remember that. It has nothing to do with limiting one's freedom of expression, just a simple request that you remind folks when you put up a picture of a naked person. Is that really so difficult, folks? If so, then clearly I'm hanging at the wrong forum because I was sorta under the impression that we had real adults around here. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.


kayarnad posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 10:05 PM

hey riddokun, are you gonna start some DOA Kaedekodoll for this one?? heh heh let us know if you're still working on the Stephanie/michael DOAeyes. Max


devilchu5 posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 10:26 PM

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Marque posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 10:39 PM

I don't get it, why is it that if it has to do with nudity anyone who asks for the simple courtesy of the nudity flag is labled a prude or is accused of trying to keep the art world down. Why couldn't you just say, sorry no problem next time I'll hit the button. It's getting a bit crazy here lately, seems if one wants the courtesy of the nudity flag, which was put there for a reason, that they are slammed not always by the person who put the pic up but by folks who seem to jump at the chance to post their ideas of what we should have forced down our throats. I don't care one way or the other, I have no one looking over my shoulder. But EVERYONE here has rights, not just the "artists" who are offended that some of us would like the warning of nudity or violence before we check out the thread. Marque


markk posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 10:44 PM

Nice character. Interesting to note though, some people are effended by nudity, but don't have a problem with violence. Has anyone noticed most movies and games have lots of violence and often no real nudity or sex. Then it begs the question, do people prefer violence to nudity or sex?


-Yggdrasil- posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 11:05 PM

Anyways...
So she's out now, huh. Sweet! And I was just there like 2 days ago, too. Now I have yet ANOTHER free one to play with. Thanks for the heads-up!


-Yggdrasil- posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 11:08 PM

Actually, now that I think about it... I think I was at Zock's like YESTERDAY and saw the framework for the site, but nothing was there yet. Must've added it in right after I left. -_- Oh... and I checked the "BOTH" flag, for all of your nudity and violent behavior. 8P


Ratteler posted Mon, 24 November 2003 at 11:38 PM

Hey Lyrra. Who's doing the Tango now? Is this a compleatly original mesh? Or is based on P4NW? I noticed that at the armpit she get's bit Jaggy.


kingkyle posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 12:43 AM

simple fact.. if he had put the nudity tag on FAR more people would have looked at it then now... even people at work with stuck up supervisors but this is ALL besides the point.. thing is its ALREADY been posted, if he is like me then he wont change a post even if its wrong.. its called shared learning i can perfectly understand that some people are offended or scared that there boss would be by this pic. it also depends how you deal with it. i have also been in situations where people have been fired for looking at nudity at work and my boss also has seen me looking at forum post and items with nudity.. of couse he asked what the heck i was doing.. and after i explained to him he was ok with it.. so it is actually if you have a problem with it because, if not then you wont have any trouble telling your boss the what's and the why's oh but what do i know im just a 6 year old


TrekkieGrrrl posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 2:29 AM

But Kingkyle.. if you click a post labeled Nudity, I don't think the pictures are showing, are they? (I don't really know coz I've always allowed nudity, then again, I have my own office and my back against a wall LOL) Anyway, it's no big deal to click the nudity button imo. If in doubt, click it. I may very well forget it, and I don't think I would have labeled it nudity either if I had posted that pic, but well, I hear what people are saying and yeah, technically she's nude. But where's the limit? Aren't you nude underneath your clothes too? What's the difference between covering your body like on the pic, or doing it with a skimpy bikini? It's not LIVING PEOPLE, it's DIGITAL fcol. I posted pics on Daz that were as nude as this pic, and Daz does NOT like nudity, yet those pics were fine with them. I would show this to a nun, should I ever come across one (pretty hard in a protestant country ;o) )

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elizabyte posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 2:52 AM

"Anyway, it's no big deal to click the nudity button imo. If in doubt, click it." But then you'd be IMPEDING someone's ARTISTIC FREEDOM!!! Or something. (where's that "rolling eyes" icon when you need it?) I see this backlash against common courtesy all the time lately. I don't understand it. It's been said that while it's possible to get through life with bad manners, it's much easier with good ones. Why do people insist on being pugnacious and rude, when it's just as easy to be polite (or at least, not downright rude). I just don't get it. bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis


hemi426 posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 3:42 AM

The solution of all nudity problems: "Now I aint seen my wife's face since they came here They make her wear a scarf over her head That covers her from ear to ear" From: Toby Keith - The Taliban Song Thanky for the input, geo facehugger


c1rcle posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 4:17 AM

I'm gonna ignore everything but the first post in this one, oh yeah & a quick chuckle towards Kingkyle & his improved version ;) Thanks for the info geogress & remember "don't let the bastards get you down" hehehehe


Riddokun posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 4:34 AM

just tested her... encouraging overall but her hips are terrible :( i just couldn't tweak them correctly so far. Eye mapping is lost on the middle of the big body texture file too (so it would requires heavy/large files just for eyes... don't want to live through this anymore :) the face looks strange until rendered, but anyway she comes with quite decent morphs for most parts... she is new, she sure needs improvement, as most newcoming characters, but she is free.. time to support heavily i guess :p


OReillyTX posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 8:02 AM

Thanks for the info Geo. As for the reaction to the thread, I think I am going to hurl. This community has gone down hill really fast it seems.


xantor posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 8:32 AM

Devilchu5 click on the small picture with DSH003 on it and then click on http://www.marinenet.co.jp/z3d/free/DSH003_Win.zip ok? You could probably copy and paste the http:// line to just download the object from here.


Dale B posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 8:33 AM

Riddokun; Yah, the hips do need some work. And some breast morphs (angle and shape). Some more articulation in the feet would be nice as well (hey, I'm greedy. Once you play with Judy a bit, the ol' P4 shovel-foot leaps out at you even more). Of course if the genital morphs are an example of the kind of design quality the creator can do, I can't wait to see just what she does about the other morphs! That has got to be one of the best sets of built in naughty bits I've seen to date. Kaedeko is quite there yet, but there is some real potential in the offing....


Poppi posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 8:54 AM

thanks for the heads up. as for the nudity flag for folks who are surfing at work....the operative word is "work". perhaps working more and surfing less on your end might do wonders to placate those nasty bosses....just a thought, since i have recently seen this problem pop up frequently, of late. and, if there is ABSOLUTELY no work to be found to be done, why not try learning something that will benefit those who pay you? sheesh. do you realize how silly this issue of zero tolerance for nudity in the workplace sounds to those of us who sort of think to earn an honest dollar one should at least try and put in an honest day's work....surfing, nudes or not, just isn't working unless you are getting something for your job.


Ghastly posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 9:46 AM

My thoughts exactly, Poppi.


sea_x_arising posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 10:09 AM

Eye roll


---Gallego--- posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 10:34 AM

.............at work they pay me to WORK.....not to SURF......."sigh" i wish i could surf at work like other people.....


StolenHeart20 posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 10:36 AM

bunch of idiots need to grow up i cant believe how far this thread went.. before i click i thought all those replys was comments and i was like damn let me have a look and all i see is a bunch of hippies wasting peoples time talking hee-ha about if i can see her bare knees and elbows... geez


pakled posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 11:00 AM

well, considering all the things I have to support here, the fact that most of our documentation is now web-based, and being in IT, things don't steadily break, the key is balance. We don't spend 8 hours a day surfing, but maybe an hour is all I'll do here. They pay me to work as well, but with 8,000 people on campus, they can't watch them all..and they do watch. We have web parsers that search for profanity, etc., web logs, etc.
Our company understands that. They know a certain amount of surfing is going to happen regardless, and supervisors are within their rights to regulate the amount of it going on. I don't spend my entire day here, mainly just my lunch hour..;) sometimes late in the day (I work 'till 6 est), when nothing's going on.
I do have to take precautions when coming to the site; I delete all off-line content when going into the gallery (as much stuff as there is, it helps with system resources as well). I'm not going to go off the deep end; if the flag's been set on a thread, I'll check it out when I go home. If you've already created the picture, you've excersised your freedom as an artist. All the tag does is describe it. It draws some folks in, and puts others off...such is life. All we're saying is it would be a nice gesture to use the tag responsibly (and you know it makes the hit count go up, right?..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)


Ratteler posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 3:03 PM

I wasn't planning to respond to the off topic comments here. I thought very hard to fight my instinct to "fire" back. Under philosophy that I would only be "adding fuel to the fire" I tried to hold my tongue. But I realized that it is SILENCE that is the goal of those who are so aggressively attacking people in this forum. Should I allow myself to be silenced, they would win by default. Courtesy is only courtesy if it NOT required. That is what makes it special. That is it is given. If it is demanded it is no longer courtesy, but at the very least regulation, if not tyranny and censorship. Respect is like courtesy in that it cannot be demanded, or it fails to be respect. Respect can only be requested and earned. It is earned by communicating with others and building a common ground where others can understand the negative feelings they are causing you. Then letting them chose NOT to do that. However tormenting people into following YOUR rules, while bringing a similar result, does not earn you respect. It only causes fear and with fear, comes resentment. What is really disturbing to me is that here, in an art community where freedom of expression and opinion is expected to be the norm, there is growing movement to impose a few peoples opinion by fear. Fear of conflict, fear of verbal assault, fear of reprisal, and fear of exile should you righteously fire back those attempting to silence you. I don't care if this is Politically Correct to say or not, but this tactic of scaring people into silence is wrong. It is EXACTLY the same type of philosophy that allowed the Black Shirts to take over Nazi Germany in the 30's and 40's. It is the same logic that allowed religious fanatics to come to the conclusion that it was THEIR RIGHT to fly planes into the World Trade Center on 9-11-01. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What I find offensive is that it is becoming "OK" to berate and attempt to silence some one whose opinion you don't like. It is a deliberate personal attack to get their way not by convincing people of the validity of your opinion, but by scaring them into silence. WELL I WILL NOT BE SILENT. If you claim to be an adult, then you should be able to discuss WHY your opinion is more valid than mine. Simply proclaiming that "I" am some how bad or evil and I must restrict myself because "SOME ONE" finds it offensive is not a valid argument. THAT LOGIC is what won't wash. I will not be terrorized by people who think they can simply shove their opinion of right and wrong down my throat. I AM open to discussion. I will ALWAYS respond in some way to REASON. But if the "SHUT UP cause I don't like what you're saying" crowd is allowed to continue with the behavior they have shown here, this isn't a place I want to be. Don't let the fact that they use the words "courtesy", and "respect" fool you into thinking they have SHOWN those traits. Sooner or later the staff or Renderosity will be forced to choose a side. Are they going to allow fear rule this forum, or respect? Will we all get to decide how much courtesy we show, or will we regulated? It might as well be sooner. If they are going to side with those who are exercising a campaign of verbal terror on this community, then I have lost nothing by expelled from here by taking my stand. I'm sorry I had to add fuel to this fire. But maybe this way it will burn itself out quicker and we get back to normal forum life.


JoeyAristophanes posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 3:15 PM

It is EXACTLY the same type of philosophy that allowed the Black Shirts to take over Nazi Germany in the 30's and 40's Well, it took sixty posts, but we finally got the inevitable reference to Hitler and Nazism. I wondered when that was going to happen. Yeah, anytime someone gets asked to follow a few simple rules, it's NAZIS and CENSORSHIP and OPPRESSION. Get real.


TrekkieGrrrl posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 3:29 PM

Sorry but I too can't see how a polite request to use the nudity filter could in any way be seen as cencorship, let alone a nasty, despicable thing as nazism. Honestly it is none of your business whether or not I surf during my lunch break. If my company has allowed it UNDER CERTAIN GUIDELINES, it is not your business to tell me to work DURING MY BREAK. My company has allowed surfing during lunch break, but we're not supposed to watch porn. And if you look in a browser's cache and find a picture of a naked wonam, you can argue till hell freezes over that it's ART, becourse out of context, it a NUDE! Now I'm lucky, becourse I have my own office. I have my back to a wall, so NOONE but me can see what's on my screen, but if Pakled works a place where he does not have that luxury, while still allowed to surf in his breaks, WHY is it the necessary to make that a jeopardy for him just becourse you won't "cencor" your pictures by clicking the nudity button? It's not like he can't see them, if he chooses to - at his HOME! You could as well be at home with kids around you and you might not want to expose them to naked people. Personally I don't mind if my kids sees naked pixels, but some might. Both my kids (8 and 13) play with Poser, and the little one still gets the giggles over a character she once found with quite a DONG. It was sooooo funny and she still speaks of it. But some might indeed NOT want their kids to see the same picture online. It's their choice by clicking the nudity filter. YOU are the ones that are beraving them of THEIR FREE CHOISE by not using the button, thereby imposing YOUR views onto them. It's kinda like raping a nun, bluntly speaking. People that know my wievs also know that I personally is as liberal as can be in regards to nudity. After all, I live in "porn country" - Denmark if you're in doubt. but I think epople should have a right to choose what NOT to look at too.

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bwldrd posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 3:47 PM

IF SHE'S NOT WEARING ANY CLOTHES, SHE'S NUDE... With what is shown, how do you know she doesnt have on the pasties from antons diamonds, and a clamshell?

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Lyrra posted Tue, 25 November 2003 at 4:32 PM

okay. I'm declaring this thread dead Sorry guys, y'all are getting a little too over excited Lyrra