Tempus Fugit opened this issue on Dec 01, 2003 ยท 85 posts
Tempus Fugit posted Mon, 01 December 2003 at 9:15 PM
xantor posted Mon, 01 December 2003 at 9:51 PM
It looks a lot like daz`s sara to me...
mateo_sancarlos posted Mon, 01 December 2003 at 10:07 PM
Yeah, like the Sara head on a heavily morphed V3 body.
Veritas777 posted Mon, 01 December 2003 at 10:15 PM
Can you post the link to that Kim Goossen's "The Girl" website? Alexa looks almost identical to her- but I can't find the thread or the images to compare the two.
kayarnad posted Mon, 01 December 2003 at 10:16 PM
if that's not Sara, I don't know who she is.
Veritas777 posted Mon, 01 December 2003 at 10:24 PM
It's NOT Sara. In fact if we can get the link to the website that featured Kim Goossen's "The Girl", Alexa is a near dead-ringer for her! When I read that link several weeks ago it DID strike me that she would make a pretty hot babe if she was converted to Poser format. Seems like someone has done this, I think. They have also done a good job in getting her up and running fast with clothes, poses, etc. Seems like the Toon-Babe Wars are starting to heat up!
Veritas777 posted Mon, 01 December 2003 at 10:31 PM
Attached Link: http://www.cgchannel.com/news/viewfeature.jsp?newsid=1793&pageid=1
Would like opinions on this babe compaed to Alexa.
samcopcutt posted Mon, 01 December 2003 at 10:32 PM
she at 3dcommune, front page can't miss her
Veritas777 posted Mon, 01 December 2003 at 10:33 PM
Attached Link: http://www.cgchannel.com/news/viewfeature.jsp?newsid=1793&pageid=3
Modeled in Lightwave and rendered in 3D Studio MAX.
BecSchm posted Mon, 01 December 2003 at 11:51 PM
Attached Link: http://www.3dcommune.com/3d/forum.mv?Announcements_News+read+8930294655#1069719525
She's an original character that they've been working on for some time now at 3DC, as per the link.
xantor posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 12:15 AM
I dont think dark whisper would steal someone elses object to make the sara figure. It must just be a coincidence that they look so similar.
Veritas777 posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 12:45 AM
Attached Link: http://www.cgchannel.com/forum/viewthread?thread=1629&offset=29
(LOTS MORE DETAILS and INFORMATION on this LINK) Read 157 posts about Kim Goossens here about "The Girl", PLUS extensive detailed look at modeling her in Lightwave. The character received a huge amount of attention among the professional 3D modeling community back in July. Goossens posted lots of detailed information pictures, etc. He was also offered many jobs and deals, but apparently, at that time, was turning them down because he was working on another important project.
kayarnad posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 1:40 AM
veritas, the link master!! long time no see! well, I just love those type of characters, so I'll look more into this, hopefully rendering sara right next to alexa to see how similar/different they are.
TJ posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 3:15 AM
I think you'll notice a lot of differences ;) We have a wireframe render up in the ad images and I think you'll note that Alexa is very much a different character than Sara or "The Girl", Plus she comes packed with morphs and everything you need right out of the box.
Simderella posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 3:24 AM
Tempus Fugit posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 4:10 AM
I think The Girl definately is the mother of a lot of the toon-sih characters we're seeing now. Goossens was begged by many people to convert her to a Poser-ready format - they were practically throwing credit cards at him - but he wanted to keep the character for his own projects. He posted a lot of detailed shots of the model, though, which could be used as a template for someone else to create something similar. It still hurts to see shots of The Girl, because as good as the others are, Goossens really worked a special kind of magic with her that's just a notch above, and we can't have her! -Jeff
kayarnad posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 4:21 AM
ooh wow, for a while there I thought that Alexa was the final product and that "the girl" was the working title... I didn't know they were 2 different characters... and that actually "the girl" is not even a Poser character... thanks for the info, guys!
SAMS3D posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 4:37 AM
She is great, I have Laroo and Sara, and Alexa....well, top notch job. Sharen
Tempus Fugit posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 4:50 AM
Little_Dragon posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 5:00 AM
"But they're cousins, identical cousins ...." (Points to anyone who remembers the reference.)
GabrielK posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 5:27 AM
In the picture above (Sara vs Alexa), I prefer Alexa's body from a stylistic point of view. Bigger hands, fuller thighs. I prefer Sara's face though. And yes, I agree that they do look similar.
TrekkieGrrrl posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 6:27 AM
Patty Duke Show? It's really a pity that they're SO alike. I think it will hurt Alexa's sales. She looks great, and in some ways better than Sara. But Sara is free and Alexa is like 30$ I'll probably get Alexa at some point, but... Well perhaps they can use each other's clothes? Just like real cousins G
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lululee posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 7:19 AM
Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=548360&Start=1&Artist=wyrmmaster&ByArtist=Yes
I believe wyrmmaster is working on a set of deformers that will give Sara that famous wyrmmaster voluptuous look.
shogakusha posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 8:02 AM
Faces are different, though similar. I think Alexa has a better body. Both figures have a toonish figure (obviously!)but I think Alexa has a bit better detail in terms of musculature and somewhat nicer proportions. Of course, Sara is FREE!
Gareee posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 9:28 AM
Wasn't the "Mystery girl" supposed to be free as well, or is she yet another toon gal? I'm all for new poser toon characters, but we're getting swamped in toon gals, and my concern, is that clothing and prop developers will really be split to provide enough useful stuff for any of them. My list (please complete or add to it) Koshini (Daz) Neftoon Gal (Polymage) Trixie (Sixus) Sara (daz) Alexa (3d commune?) Mystery Girl Puppet (for koshini, but adds enough variety to almost be called a new gal) Am I missing anyone? How about more toon creatures/animals instead? LOL!! Toon animal wise I think there's toonimal cat Toonimal dog toonimal fish toon deer I'm starting to think we almost need a charcter registry, just so we can keep track of new characters, and lod ones that are being lost.
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
SamTherapy posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 9:47 AM
There's also LaRoo at RDNA, and a toon version of MayaDoll, I believe, right here at RMP.
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3-DArena posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 9:51 AM
Well I was/am a big fan of NefToon- but I can't stop playing with Sara - I had previously bought RDNA's LaRoo but I deleted her from mylibrary - didn't like her face or hips. I do like the angle of Alexa's eyes. Frankly I wouldn't think it will be all that long before Sara has morph packages as add-ons. And then there is that extra plus of Wyrmmasters morphs for Sara. sigh what to do what to do...
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Gareee posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 9:51 AM
Oh yeah, forgot them! Koshini (Daz) Neftoon Gal (Polymage) Trixie (Sixus) Sara (daz) Alexa (3d commune?) Mystery Girl LaRoo at RDNA toon version of MayaDoll Hmmm that's what.. one every 2 weeks for the last 4 months?
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
Gareee posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 9:55 AM
LaRoo has a odd mouth, to me. I've never seen a nice "biggie smile" like Koshini and Neftoon Gal can produce. Trixie of the Sea looks like a better deal to me the plain Trixie from Sixus, but havn't gotten her yet... Puppet looks like an excellent deal for Koshini owners as well, plus I noticed she's cheaper now that she's at Daz...
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
Tempus Fugit posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 9:59 AM
I think Alexa is the Mystery Girl at 3DC.
3-DArena posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 10:04 AM
I plan to get puppet for sure, especially as capsces has free morphs to get koshini's clothes to fit her. Besides Puppet gives koshini a wide range of comic looks. LaRoo was created with an open mouth and when you choose to close the mouth the jaw doesn't seem to move it just stretches the lips up. NefToon is great but I was very disappointed in the head morphs for her - I thought I was getting 70 morphs in the package and it simply brought the total to 70. :-/ Still love her though. I have not seen Trixie yet...
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Gareee posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 10:08 AM
I got some head morphs for neftoon gal, but am just not sure how to release them. I have the wavefront exported objects, but how do you provide that without providing the mesh the parts are based on as well?
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
jval posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 10:22 AM
...But Sara is free and Alexa is like 30$. Are you sure? Alexa comes with Toon and Life textures, catsuit, sandals, short skirt, top, 20 poses and hair. These inlcuded items may be roughly compared to about half the stuff you will get if you buy Sara's Textures, Poses, Clothing Pak 1 and Action Pak. Those paks will cost you about $61. Cut that price in half for a fairer comparison and you get a total operating cost of approx $30. Does this sound remarkably similar to Alexa's price? - Jack
Caly posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 10:53 AM
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neftis posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 11:04 AM
TrekkieGrrrl posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 11:04 AM
Whoa. Neftoon is HUGE! From my head transplant expirience I know that Anime Doll has the same height as V3. And V3 is TALL! But Neftton is even higher. Also.. I've always felt that LaRoo creeped me out. She does even more so without textures shiver I realise that Trixie is a different "non-cute" type of character. But it's not a character I'd spend money on. She's TOO "strange" to my taste :o) Yes of course you will have to calculate the price of Sara's clothing to do a fair comparison between the two figures. When I wrote it, I hadn't noticed that there were clothes too along with Alexa. That makes her a bargain really :o) Now I hope Rosity will hurry up with the payments so I have some money on my paypal. Then I'm off to 3DC :o)
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neftis posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 11:06 AM
jval posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 11:12 AM
A Victoria-based toon gal I particularly like but you rarely see is Doug Farrell's Maeve (http://market.renderosity.com/softgood.ez?ViewSoftgood=8259 ) - Jack
Caly posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 11:16 AM
I think Ichiro would have something to say, Toon Pal! Hands off the Koshini! :D
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neftis posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 11:23 AM
AlleyKatArt posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 11:35 AM
LaRoo scares me. I bought her. I deleted her five minutes after trying to morph her. Her mesh is IMPOSSIBLE to work with. She's got potential. I love her eye mesh, but that's about it. Plus, the file I got was damaged. Also, proportionwise, they're all about the same. Look at the feet. They're not all positioned on a level, flat plane. Neftoon Gal is actually about the same height as the AnimeDoll. Kaedeko kinda looks like a nicer version of Judy.
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brycetech posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 11:39 AM
Caly posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 11:40 AM
That's how they loaded into Poser, they were only x-tranned and their arms raised. It is interesting that they seem to have different default 'floors'.
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brycetech posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 11:42 AM
btw thats alexa in the picture...lol
randym77 posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 11:47 AM
Don't forget Rendervision's Cherry Anime doll! And Veritas, thanks for the explanation about "The Girl." I am not much into toon pics myself, and was utterly baffled at the sudden flood of toon/anime girls.
TJ posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 11:51 AM
And those pants are an Alexa Free item , available through the 3dc Newsletter and site, for a limited time :) I love the toons too , since koshini and working with Alexa and now sara and Neftoon I save my money for them, no more victoria:)
Gareee posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 12:01 PM
True.. I've battled Victoria to get more of a toonish look and now I don' HAVE to ;)
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
Caly posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 12:04 PM
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Caly posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 12:05 PM
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Gareee posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 12:11 PM
Be nice to have a lineup but with thier textures that are included. Some of those look butt ugly, but with their textures, are much better. A good example is Neftoon Gal. Out of the "box" she's got a very nice skin tone, and eye/face textures. Sara, OTOH, doesn't look so hot, unless you buy here some packs. (Course, once you have the texture pack, she's about the same base price as Neftoon Gal.
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
Caly posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 12:21 PM
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BECamation posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 1:05 PM
Interesting posts for sure. :) Personally I like realism in 3D but now that we have our own toon character I'm having way too much fun playing with her. Just to clarify a few things, Alexa is 29.95 and she comes with over 90 morphs, a catsuit, poses, toon and real textures, skirt, top, shoes and several mats and transmaps for the catsuit. She already has about 9 new outfits, props and add-on's from vendors like, Fabi at FK Designs, The Rendering, Nerd3D, Spanki, lanner at Digital Intoxication, ArtRO, Alexnest, Schlabber and more to come soon. We've got freebies up for her already and we've just announced a contest with her where you can win CASH for the holidays. Make sure to swing by 3DC and see her for yourself. Mark
smallspace posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 3:56 PM
I'd rather stay in my lane than lay in my stain!
TrekkieGrrrl posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 4:11 PM
Misaki? I've never heard of her before. I like her. Where is she available?
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smallspace posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 4:42 PM
Attached Link: http://market.renderosity.com/softgood.ez?ViewSoftgood=22645
Click the link for Misaki -SMTI'd rather stay in my lane than lay in my stain!
smallspace posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 5:44 PM
I'd rather stay in my lane than lay in my stain!
mondoxjake posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 6:35 PM
Interesting thread here. I have been following these new toon dolls pretty closely as I am a toon fan [I like girls too!]. So far the only one I have been able to afford was Sara [free!]. I agree that there is a resemblance facial wise between Sara and Alexa...but feel the comparison stops there. From the renders I have seen of both dolls I believe Alexa is the most versatile, and have yet to see an un-postworked render of her where any of the normal Poser 'folds'at knees, elbows, etc.,were visible. I was surprised to see how many clothing and accessory packs were realeased at the same time as Alexa. [As of today by my figures the total for all packs and the doll is $130.65.] The Netoon Gal [IMHO] has the prettiest head/face of the lot, but there is a disappointing lack of clothing and accessories to make her a well rounded character. I am downgrading or plugging any particular doll here, just reporting it as I see it. 1. For cute 'out of the box': Neftoon Gal 2. For posing and available items: Alexa 3. For my budget: Sara The ones I left out is because I personally have no interest in them.
mondoxjake posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 6:56 PM
Correction to my earlier post [why isn't there an Edit feature in these forums?]-- read: I am downgrading as: I AM NOT DOWNGRADING...sorry, the yelling is for emphasis only!
neftis posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 7:01 PM
mondoxjake: Thanks a lot for your comments on NG! I only wanted to tell you that very soon we will have loads of stuffs for all the polymage figures. So far Digicalimero and I were alone doing all the basics...but we now can accepts brokers directly at Polymage and we will supporting all of our figures with clothes , hair ;) , and morphs and new character sets as well. We have a lots on the table...it's only a matter of time... But still...very soon ;) so don't worry :)
smallspace posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 7:28 PM
I'd rather stay in my lane than lay in my stain!
mondoxjake posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 7:49 PM
Your Neftoon Gal is for sure the one I would like to have first, and I can understand the lack of accessory items as you and Digicalimero put your all of your early efforts into production of a great doll. [I did register at your site today and will be watching the updates.] I have noticed that one of my comrades from the Poser newsgroup, Gareee [hope I got enough e's in that!], is supporting the doll by working on some things for her as well. I just can't imagine why some of our other creators are not coming out with much for her yet. I only wish at this point I had saved the money I spent on Vicky3 and the tons of stuff needed to make her work....I don't even use her much.
Torulf posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 8:55 PM
Do not forget Aiko anime/afire from Hanspawn studio or Toshi free anime figure for Posett.
TG
Torulf posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 9:07 PM
Sorry miss spell, HandspanStudos Aiko Faerie /anime. I can no longer find it on the site. Toshis on the left and Aiko to the right. http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=296132&Start=1&Artist=Torulf&ByArtist=Yes
TG
Torulf posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 9:12 PM
TG
n3k0 posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 10:55 PM
And yes, TheGirl does look a whole lot like gorgeous Karen Duffy. And for further 2D toon girl inspiration, go here: www.pinuptoons.com (and they're based on real people, too. I keep telling myself, "hey she looks familiar, hey I've seen her before.")
Caly posted Tue, 02 December 2003 at 11:04 PM
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Spanki posted Wed, 03 December 2003 at 12:59 AM
Forgot the nudity flag ;(
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Bobbie_Boucher posted Wed, 03 December 2003 at 2:11 AM
Isn't it a policy of some sort against using characters with names that are already used? Eirian created Alexa & Allie. I bought them.
kayarnad posted Wed, 03 December 2003 at 2:46 AM
well, I still don't have Alexa, but from the renders I've seen, I guess she beats Sara hands down.
3-DArena posted Wed, 03 December 2003 at 9:16 AM
I've got to say - NefToon Sara and Alexa hands down - I'm sorry caly but even with your laRoo images she is freaky looking - and nude she is even worse with her udder type breasts and I always have a problem posing with her buttocks. NefToon bends very nicely too and it certainly looks as if Alexa does as well. Trixie is pretty freaky too - more alien than anime and Maya is too cartoony for my taste.
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Spanki posted Wed, 03 December 2003 at 9:54 AM
My only issue with Alexa is in some of her proportions... the shins are too long (should be same length as knee to hip) as are her forearms (should be same length as elbow to shoulder). Of course these are 'toon' gals, so that's not critical, but it makes for some odd posing at times ;).
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Caly posted Wed, 03 December 2003 at 10:18 AM
Ok, my opinion... NefToon Gal in the lead Then hmm. I really like Sara's sweet face, but I prefer Alexa's body front. However I think I prefer Sara's backside. :D I think Koshini is in a category all of her own and I adore her there, especially fun when using Puppet morphs, and I think Maya's Anime Doll is also in a category by herself and she makes excellent cel-shading type renders. I think a default LaRoo is pretty scary, but that Trixie's default is even freakier. However, LaRoo with morphs can be pretty darn cute. Trixie doesn't really do cute. She's good if you do a certain darker style. Aiko can be cute or sultry, I don't like her 'squinched up' default face, but she can be morphed nicely. I haven't used the Maya Doll much, though I've seen great morphs for her. I haven't used Kaedeko much either, she seems nice enough. I haven't tried Nadya, or Cherry Anime, or Misaki In the grand scheme of things, it's nice to have variety, so it's great that they all exist. But geesh, am I ever going into debt. :D
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Torulf posted Wed, 03 December 2003 at 4:55 PM
Here are one more BrainMuffin's Sekushi Koneko Anime Character at Bbay.
TG
mondoxjake posted Wed, 03 December 2003 at 8:29 PM
From the varied opinions and posts, I would say there is room in the Poser genre for all this great looking babes...is mostly a matter of personal taste. I think we should also let the creators of these great works know that we are not finding fault with any of their handywork...just more or less an analyisis of them, again personal taste plays a big part...[and available funds!]
mondoxjake posted Wed, 03 December 2003 at 10:11 PM
Let's dig out the old Poser 2 and Poser 3 people...not sure if you would call them toonish or not but they sure might start a new trend! And we don't need too many male toons...we still have the Dork.
mondoxjake posted Wed, 03 December 2003 at 10:22 PM
Along the lines of the Shazam model, sometime ago there was one called Vicky Bratz{?}. Can't remember who did it, but the artist posted several renders to the gallery and then finally released the file in freestuff.
elizabyte posted Wed, 03 December 2003 at 11:33 PM
Shazam reminds me of those freaky big-headed girl doll toys I keep seeing in the toyshops. Bratz or something? I find them utterly grotesque. I must admit, though, Heart'Song has done some very appealing pixies and fairies with Shazaam... bonni
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elizabyte posted Wed, 03 December 2003 at 11:38 PM
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Yeah, it is Bratz. Website SUCKS. Not only does it make noise, it's 100% Flash and it's tedious to load, even on cable. Whatever. I won't be buying any of this stuff for my kids any time soon. ;-) bonni"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis
Caly posted Wed, 03 December 2003 at 11:43 PM
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