I took advantage of e-on's Vue v4 $99US offer as a registered owner of CL's Poser 4 - a huge thanks to those who posted the info on this forum! I had been playing around with the freeware PC version 2 with Mover from a 3DArts mag CD for a couple years. I wonder what has changed... And it came with a printed manual! None of those @#$$^! PDF files to mess with - what a relief! Gotta see what I can do with this prog with LW, C4D and Maya. -scara