ok,.. this has been frustrating me all day first things first does anyone know a good tutorial for creating and applying Lace and other see thru/transparent textures in the material room,.. that'll be a major boon,.. and secondly,..I've found many pre made for p5 and are in mat's,.. so I couldnt figure out how to study them,.. nextly,.. they way I wanted to do the patterning when you do standard tiling to fit it,.. it doesnt come out the way other peoples do with particular patterns,.. just trying to figure how to do that,.. Im using p5 SR3 and maybe when I get this done I can get to the next stage and have a wip to show,..its been so long of doing anyhing In poser Ive forgotten just bout everything not that I was an expert or even a journeyman,.. anyways,.. any and all help offered will be appreiciated Blarghd