Here's a Carrara render of some Rhino and rds5 imported mesh. All the shaders (except the blue pot) use eric's free shader's(http://digitalcarversguild.com ) in one or more of the channels. The dirt is all procedural. Trunk is Rhino. Leaves are RDS5 (AFX)Furrific objects. Carrara ate this file right after this test render finished. I think it has something to do with shaders that are on a networked drive. Time to grow a new tree. comments are welcome, so I can use them on the next one. later mdc