When oh WHEN can I get my grubby little hands on Daz:Studio?!? OpenGL...dang man, I've been having DREAMS about this program! Enough already! Release! Release! I don't mind if there are bugs! Beta test! beta test! (feel like I'm chanting with a crowd at a concert...)

There are no stupid questions, only... ;0) I'm really hoping they get out the alpha release before Christmas. With that said, I'd rather they take their time and release something with relatively few problems to be encountered. Patience is a virtue (yeah, right!)

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

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But I want my OpenGL posing, native OS X running app right NOW! Poser 4 is clunky, slow and --- ARRGH! If I could import Daz figures into Cinema 4d I'd be okay right now....but I CAN'T, so I"m going to KEEP WHINING until I get my copy of D|S!!! WWwwaaaaaa!! :-p

I'm just getting ready to start a 3-week semester break in a few days, so it would be nice to spend it test-driving Daz studio

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Why can't you import Daz figures into Cinema 4D? It's as simple as any other app and if you have version 7 or 8 you can use mat files to texture them.

Attached Link: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,61586,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_4

Hurry up, DAZ ;-)

After reading that article, I did a Google search for a definition of vaporware.  I found the following definition at Merriam-Webster Online:

One entry found for vaporware.
 Main Entry: va·por·ware
Pronunciation: 'vA-p&r-"war, -"wer
Function: noun
Date: 1984
: a new computer-related product that has been widely advertised but is not yet available

I also found similar definitions at:
Marconi
High-Tech Dictionary
hyperdictionary
webopedia

I think, although these are standard definitions, that they don't quite fit. Vaporware, splitting the word apart, implies "computer-related product" that is widely advertised that never materializes - vaporizes - disappears - quietly eeks back into the great bit-bucket in the beyond over there. By that more apt definition, Daz|Studio is just not-yet-released software. It is not like Daz3D is hyping it up and it'll never be released. The CEO has already said that there would be a slight delay in the alpha release to PC members and the software DEFINITE exists. Sorry, there is a difference between touting software that never seems to progress or get released and something that's nearly ready just needing tweaks.

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

 -- Bjarne Stroustrup

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Hee hee, according to the article in the link DazStudio will always be vapor-ware, as it will never be shrink-wrapped. Shrink-wrapped usually means sold, or at least obtained through a store or in physical form, and as Daz Studio is download only I don't think this will ever happen. From the article/website: "As in previous years, software in a never-ending, pre-release, beta-testing stage is considered vaporware, even if it's widely available. It hasn't shipped until it's shrink-wrapped."

I just looked up the word and provided the definintions. :-) Is it vaporware? You decide.

Ratteler, :) Just my observations. Well, that's a stupid definition of "vaporware". There are tons of excellent, many-versioned softwares which are "released" (beyond alpha and beta by any stretch), popular, and robust which have never been "shrink-wrapped". For instance: UVMapper Pro. This sounds like a definition concocted prior to the emergence of modern "E-Commerce". Despite the Dot-Com bust, it is now a strong force for the purchase and distribution of downloadable software. I'd say that approximately 30-40% of my applications are downloaded purchases - Mozilla, Opera, Dreamweaver MX 2004, Namo WebEditor 5, ULead DVD Workshop, Poser 4PP Mac, Poser 5 Mac, Firehand Ember 2000, WebZip, QuickTime Pro, RealOne, PowerDVD XP, IconWorkshop, Stereo Image Factory, Mimic 2.0 Pro, Ahead Nero, and on and on - many more than even I anticipated (noting that some of these are available "shrink wrapped"). I think a redefinition is in order. ;) - The above is not meant to be derogatory to milamber42 or numanoid who I realize are just passing on information. :)

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

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IMO, it does look like the definition in the Meriam-Webster Dictionary is current. It says nothing about "shrink-wrap" software, just software that "is not yet available". D|S does fit this category, but does it fit the "widely advertisied" part of the definition? Opinions will vary on this one for sure. :)

D|S was announced around a year ago here and at PoserPros (not sure about 3D Commune). D|S was shown at trade shows. It was covered in the trade magazines. It's been heavily advertised to DAZ customers. IMO, it does fit widely advertised.

And, since it is a computer-related product, at this time, IMO, it is vaporware. [No big deal. No attack on DAZ here. Just my opinion..:)] I don't know if the Oxford Dictionary or any other dictionary has the same definition as Merriam-Webster. M-W is the only dictionary online, and I also own a M-W dictionary. Anyone got easy access to another one? This is not important enough to me to make a trip to the library, but it would be interesting to see what the definition is in other "official" dictionaries.

It is a rather interesting definition that MW imparts. If nothing else, the discussion will pass time while we wait for D|S. :)

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

 -- Bjarne Stroustrup

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Exactly! :) I'm ready to do some heavy testing, and I start a 2 week vacation soon [4 days and counting...].