We got the forum, it's time to let loose! Posts that make direct Poser vs. D|S comparisons, such as rendering the same scene in both programs, are still okay here because the posts involve Poser as well as D|S. (We do allow Poser vs. Vue render comparisons, Poser vs. Bryce, etc. as well, so fair's fair.) Anything else, "How do I ... in D|S?" , "Here's what X looks like in D|S," etc. will be dropped kicked to the D|S Forum if posted elsewhere. Thanks! Cres