Okay, I'm reposting this thumbnail from the freestuff. I'm sitting here, scrolling through the stuff, mom's in the room. BAM. I see this. I had to close the screen so she wouldn't accuse me of looking at porn. This is NOT disgusting or nasty, but I do /not/ feel this thumbnail should be in a 'family site's freebie section. If I posted an erect phallus in the freebie section it would be taken down immediately, yet stuff like this gets allowed to stay up. Gyah. And please note, I'm NOT against nudity or pornography. I'm a frequent poster at GPA, and a firm believer that the human body is a beautiful thing. However, you /can/ tell when an image is meant to stimulate arousal, and this, obviously, was.

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Woops! Forgot to check nudity!

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If you go to 'My Profile' under Member Options, you can choose not to display nudity in the galleries: this applies to freestuff also (but nudity in forum posts is still visible if you choose to open that thread).

Are her breasts bigger than her waist? :snicker:

Much bigger. And much more so the focus. And EB, NUDITY is not the issue. It's the fact that it's thrust in someone's face in what I'd personally consider a tasteless manner. If the breasts weren't the central focus, I'd have no problem, but they're RIGHT THERE. IN MY FACE. So, yeah. Issues.

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easy dont look jeesh,there only a pair of boobs for crying out loud. When will ppl get it into there head that boobs are apart of the artworld and have always been this way. regards seeklight

Yeah, but since when does it have to be in the thumbnails for freestuff items. Best reserved for the galleries or posting. We keep touting to be a "family" site but then we let stuff like this get out there. Cant play it both ways folks. Dave

To me those Hooters don't even look real. They look like plastic and the one looks like it has a slow leak.

Love is Grandchildren.

The point is not whether you are pro-boobs. These aren't human breasts, they are adolescent fantasies that demean women. Take a moment to compare in your memory the famous images it parodies. (Varga has a deliciously clutched breast somewhere, an illustration for a Baudelaire poem, I think.) The difference is that DMZ between erotica and porn.

Ironically, they don't look any more real than the silicon-injected plastics of standard Poser (and the "real skin" in the first illustration of the tut looks a bit like a synthetic wool blanket). And even more ironically, the tutorial he's offering is reasonalbly well written and very useful, even if you don't worship at the shrine of the milk-filled water balloon. The P5 Cloth Room can, theoretically, be used to create pliable skin; and he's come up with a way to make it work.

I'm not offended by the nudity of the thumbnail, but by the pointless vulgarity of it. If I were a teen and my mother was indulgent about "artistic nudity," I wouldn't want her to see it. Any more than I would want her to see on my screen a penis covered with warts and pus or the proverbial fellated Rottweiler.

What's new, of course. The TOS is selective, and the enforcement arbitrary. The thumbnail doesn't criticize the PTB, so what's the problem?

Mick

Can't get adobe acrobat reader to open pdf file in zip. Tried redownloading it last night and even made sure I had the newest version of reader and it gives a corrupt message upon trying to open it. Don't know if anyone else is having the same problem...

The problem is I'm not one of the PTB. Again, there's nothing WRONG with the image. Were it a gallery image, I'd not give a flying... frick. However, it's not a gallery image. It's a freestuff image of an overly busty woman gripping her too huge boobs while they're thrust at my screen. I did the image attatched as a commission. Despite being gay, I find nothing about the female form disgusting. It just doesn't do anything for me. If someone had posted a penis shot, even unerect, like the thumbnail, I'd be questioning the provacativeness of it, so it's not about being 'Yay, boobies!' at all for me. It's plain and simple a matter of 'Do I want my mother seeing this?' or 'Do I want my son seeing this?' that sort of thing. In my mind, if it's something that can't be shown on the Discovery Channel, it doesn't need to be here. Yes, I can see naked people on the discovery channel. What I don't see is close ups of the huge breasted Bimbette tribe of Zimbabwe! "I'm not offended by the nudity of the thumbnail, but by the pointless vulgarity of it. If I were a teen and my mother was indulgent about "artistic nudity," I wouldn't want her to see it. Any more than I would want her to see on my screen a penis covered with warts and pus or the proverbial fellated Rottweiler." Exactly. Though I'm 20. And I /do/ look at pornography, I'll admit it. I don't do so in my mother's presense, as I have too much respect for her for that.

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Khrys, it takes a person with a lot of character to care for others feelings and have respect of others, I applaud you and feel that your statements are accurate and correct. Sharen

people, for god's sake! the tutorial is about "soft bodies", however well done. what shall he/she show, a pressed knee?? and "huge breasted Bimbette tribe of Zimbabwe" (:P) do wash sometimes, and when they do they wash also their breasts. in order to do it they have to touch them. get real.

Aleks, how about a pleasantly plump woman with a squished tummah! Oh, but that won't do, no, because V3 is NEVER fat. And Aleks, no they don't. The Huge Brested Bimbette Tribe of Zimbabwe takes mud baths, and they roll like piggies!

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correct. v3 is seldomly fat. like it or not, 99% of people will use this tut to make those breasts squeeze exactly as in the thumb above.

1. They aren't breasts. 2. You are absolutely right. There is no other part of the human body that one can usefully apply this technique too. I mean, who needs an authentic fat geek butt with fingers in the endearing "break a snuggy" position? Or an arm responding to the pressure of a hand's grip? Or fingertips flattening against a tabletop? Or a bottom responding to the shape of the table, wall, whatever, it is leaning against? 3. And you are absolutely right. All the snorting adolescents who wander the R'osity Malls will be eternally grateful for yet a new way to make their fantasies lubricious. A stroke for all boykind. 4. I'm a bit confused by the back and forth regarding the huge breasted bimbettes of Zimbabwe. The thumbnail is not showing the kind of touching one does to wash in my part of the world. Is that, perhaps, just an attempt to sneak in a bit of "you prude!" without being rude about it? 5. The fact that you can't imagine any use for the trick except squishing breasts, sadly, proves our point. ta. M PS Khrys: Beautiful picture.

Yadda yadda yadda... but I sympathise with the original point. You have control in visiting the galleries but I would like some voluntary restraint in the Freestuff Thumbnails so I can go there unfiltered... not only are there times other people are around, there is also stuff I just don't want to see. But... my attitude relies on mature judgment and sensitive from the posters, I am convinced these bondage and discipline people actually seek to shock and offend... so I guess they are getting their jollies form the likes of me.

Come on people I realize that many of you do find it offensive for whatever reasons. Maybe I wasnt raised right or something but whats the big deal? This kind of thing is a cultureal thing like whats called under age drinking here in the USA, in Europe its not wrong. You see statues,paintings,and god forbid even religious art works in public places everywhere. And guess what it hasnt traumatized their children, or destroyed their family values. Not nearly as bad as Political Correctness has done for us here! Please dont get me stsrted on PC.

Hey Khrys....like Sgt. Elias said in Platoon, "Hey Khrys...take a break!" thanks for letting us know about the link.....you actually helped me with a problem i had with soft bodies...woohoo!

I bet your mother is old enough to be able to handle nudity :) If she asks what that picture is there for, try explaining it like an adult.

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mickmca, your examples for usage of soft body technique involves two out of four times the bottom -- i like especially the one where naked bottom press against the wall. i always wanted to show this in all it's realism! -- and i can imagine similar reaction at picture about grouping at naked butt, too. i don't know how fat your fingers are, but mine squish almost not at all when i press them against table. and lastly, an arm isn't exactly "soft body" the way it is usually defined in animation work. belly is, as well as cheeks, breasts or bottom. your assumption about me saying "you prude!" is wrong. he is not and it is rather obvious when you actually read khrys' posts and not promptly jump up to play someone's advocat. my reaction was prompted to what i deem as his overreaction to one stupid promo pic. the fact that i haven't even mention that i have or need any use for this technique only proves that you should be reading threads with more attention instead of desperately trying to sound clever.

"3. And you are absolutely right. All the snorting adolescents who wander the R'osity Malls will be eternally grateful for yet a new way to make their fantasies lubricious. A stroke for all boykind. [...] 5. The fact that you can't imagine any use for the trick except squishing breasts, sadly, proves our point." ;)

"Oh, gee, mom, yeah, the overly huge breasts? Someone else posted 'em and I was just looking through the freestuff. What, why are they being thrust at our faces? Because the artist wanted lots of downloads on his freebie item, and nothing says 'easy cheese' like huge boobs!" First, my mother doesn't even like CLASSICAL PAINTINGS that have nudity. Second, I shouldn't HAVE to explain something to her when I'm looking at this site. I need to be able to see a thumbnail on a freebie to know if I want to download it. OTHER artists have managed tasteful nudity in there, why can't this one do a small animated GIF?

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omg I am just so....~blinks and shakes her head~ as for the touching.....and washing if any of the ladies have breast which I am sure they do you will know that yes they do get squished during washing. now that point aside.....well actually they get squished if they are real non hard plastic breasts. ANYWAY. I myself was kind of shocked at seeing that thumbnail in the free stuff as well and anyone that looks at my gallery knows full well I am most definatly NOT against nudity or touching. I wasnt shocked at the nudity I was shocked it hadnt been removed. I was also shocked at the whole...well...picture itself it -is- in your face. but I think that is the point to get attention. either way I think that caution needs to be used in browsing as this is a mixed group/content site. perhaps the poster of the thumb nail could put a top on her after all clothed ornot the "softbodies" would still squish and so would the cloth. after thought...what exactly was the comment about her breast being larger then her waist? what is wrong with that? trust me it is fullllllyyy possible and naturally too I might add.....

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Nothing wrong with it, DE. I'm just sick of seeing it ALL THE TIME. ;) /Usually/ when they're like that and their waists are that small? Plastic surgery. And while I'm not exactly a breast expert, but wouldn't they be a bit saggier, too?

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well by nature yes they would not be ...er.....so very perky. they would be shaped abit different as well. >.< the breast bigger then her waist comment though was from hauksdottir ....it just kind of er...miffed me I guess. and as for other uses...this could be used also with ..pillows...mattresses I mean it always peeved me that woman in the galleries were laying on beds that seemed to be made out of stone. pillows that didnt ..well squish. alot of uses for this type of movement though other then the "look mah I can squishy my breasts".

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So big tits demean women??? Hahahahahahaaaa that's funny. I suppose big biceps demean men, no? Gawd what a silly load of bollocks. And NO, liking sexy female bodies (big breasts or not) has nothing to do with being an oversexed pimply teenager who never had a girlfriend or anything of the kind. Good grief... It has to do with male hormones, mine function perfectly well thank you, and I'm not ashamed of that at all. Whether or not a particlar guy likes big tits or not says nothing at all about his view of women, or his age, or anything else. It's about personal taste. And khrys, if your mum is ultraconservative (doesn't even like CLASSICAL PAINTINGS that have nudity) what's that got to do with us? Geez... that's YOUR problem and hers. Not mine, not Rosity's. See to it that you come to Rosity when she is NOT around. My mum used to be a devoted nudist, we spent our weekends on the nudist beach - the whole family. My father was a professional artist, his best thing was the nude female form. And it's mine too. Big boobs, middle sized ones and teeny little small ones, I like them all. Find something IMPORTANT to complain about instead, OK? 'Pleasantly plump' yet, that's funny, hahahaaa... Why should I be interested in that? Because the average American woman is way overweight? What's that got to do with my personal taste, or anyone else's - apart from those who like plump women? :] Fish

This item was kindly offered as free stuff ... the author spent his own time offering something to you ... it can be packaged however they want in my opinion. Now lets suppose that the author placed a nice fluffy picture on as a thumb: You'd get a bit of a shock when you opened the PDF wouldnt you. The thumb in this case IS representative of the work. Maybe we should complain about the content as well as the thumb ? (strange state of affairs) Barrie.

Fish, it's your problem that your parents were nudists. Personally? I wouldn't want to see my parents naked for all the gold in China, thank you very much. And it /is/ Rnderosity's when Renderosity is the site that hosts such work. I'm a merchant here. What goes in the marketplace reflects on me. What goes in the freestuff? Reflects on me. Doesn't matter if it's not my work. And again, this wouldn't even be an issue if it were a full body shot. Or a different body part. No. It's not. It's breasts? WHY? Because big boobs in the thumbnail=BIG DOWNLOADS. I know how it works. And again? If it was in the gallery? Wouldn't care. All of your works have either tits or ass PLAINLY visible in every thumbnail, which is why I've never bothered with your work. I don't have to look at that. However, when I'm scrolling my way through a freestuff page and suddenly a set of boobs jump out and knock me upside the head for NO REASON? I'm gonna be a bit pissed. I don't even post a naked male on this site for fear that the PTB will think it's porn and smack me for it, yet crap like this gets allowed every day. And again, if they'd been clothed, or a full body shot? Wouldn't care. I don't go thrusting my nipples in your face, keep yours out of mine.

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no classical paintings, huh? does she have to go outside so than you can work with poser? does she even know what it is?

Also, Fish, you must HATE classical art then. OMG! TEH FAT PEEPLE! Tehy are cooming fer u!!! And thanks for the heads up, Barrie. I knew there was a reason I didn't download it. And yes, it /was/ kind of him to post it. That's not my issue. But a frickin' censor bar goes a long way. And aleks... Quit flaming. My computer is in my bedroom. She brought something in for me, glanced at the screen. And, for the record? It's called exagerating. She /does/ have a problem with pin ups and such, but as far as I know, holds no grudge against classical painters.

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ok, just checked your shop here. that pregnant anime doll (or was it maya doll?) scratching at her croch, is something that i'm sure slipped your attention, so give the other guy also that credit, ok? not everything is intentional.

Yeah know from the thumbnail I never got the hint that it was bout doing the squeezing thing. To me it looked like yet another morph to make vicky's boobs big. dave

She's got her hand down covering it, for one thing and for another, it's not the focus of the image. And she's an anime doll. (And honestly, it DID slip my attention. Something to definitely fix!) And attacking the person with the valid argument isn't a way to win an argument. It's just, plain and simple, flaming.

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well, i didn't flame you, and i'm sorry if you took it that way. i was just making a slight fun of you in post #32, that's all. peace.

Sorry, but I feel this is a bit rediculous. R'osity gives you the option to filter the nudity in the free stuff. If you are at work, or at home and don't want others to see the nudity, then turn on the filter. Don't expect everybody to have the manners or taste you have. You can't have it both ways. You can't say "I don't want to filter it because I want to see the images with nudity" and then get mad when the nudity is over the top. Alternative #2. You're over 18. Move out of your parent's house and then you don't have to worry about it.

I thought it was out of place as well. She looked like she was about to express milk with the pressure of a fire hose. I didn't think of a cool way to make skin react more realistically. Being a prude or not isn't the point really. The visual is just not what one expects to see in freebie thumbnails.

I and my wife fully intend to let my underaged son look at a woman's bare chest all he wants to. Oh, but perhaps I should mention that the doc says the missus will be going into labor with him any day now, and after all... the kid's gotta eat too, don't he? A woman's breasts are like the Sony Playstation, X-Box and Game Cube... You see, they were still originally built for kids, no matter how many adult guys you know of that play with 'em. ;) /P

And okay, if the nudity flag works both ways? Enjoy some nice M3 penis. (Texture by Handspan Studios, no less) Please note that it does not violate any parts of the TOS. It is neither erect, nor are there hands touching it in any way shape or form. However, it's not very tasteful, now is it? I wouldn't want this to be a freebie here. Why? it's just not tasteful. Daverj, you gonna pay my rent? I don't think so. Don't tell me I have an option I don't have. For all you know, I'm wheelchair confined and paralyzed below the chest, thus not exactly having the same opportunities most people do. I'm not, but you didn't know that until now. Don't make blanket assumptions about my status until you get the facts. I live at home in part because I can't /afford/ to move out and in part because my mother needs the help. She's not exactly a spring chicken anymore.

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lol, talking about "soft body"...

1. Well Khrys, I saw my mum all naked yesterday... She has severe Parkinson's, very shaky and unbalanced. She came home from hospital the other day with a repaired thigh bone after a severe fall last week - multiple fractures. She can hardly walk now even with support and has really big trouble with her balance. The night before last she fell again at home in the middle of the night and I was the one that helped her up since she couldn't move herself... and I helped her change her nightie and get back into bed.... Now it's a good thing I'm not at all sensitive about naked bodies, regardless of age or size - otherwise I would have had a SERIOUS problem helping her, not so? Oh, and I have 2 daughters - never had a problem changing their diapers at all when they were small. In fact I liked doing it, it gives a wonderful feeling of closeness to my own children. Fathers who avoid that messy stuff miss out on something I tell you. So naked bodies is never a problem for me regardless of age. Or who it is. 2. My dad was amongst other things an art historian with Dutch/Flemish 16th/17th C. art as his specialty and I am VERY well versed in fine art thank you :o) and have no problem with large Rubenesque figures whatsoever. It's just that when I render a woman I make her look the way I like best - and that is NOT overweight Vickis. Also applies to when I look at other people's renders. Curvy, fine. Voluptuous - great. But fat? Forget it! lol So take your (and your mother's) prejudices elsewhere if you will. :] Fish

"I wouldn't want this [M3 Penis] to be a freebie here." Err, wouldn't doing so be a copyright violation of DAZ' M3 mesh? Otherwise I see no problem with it. (shrug.) What's up with this 'eww, ickynastynekkidbodyparts!', anyway? Fish sez: " Fathers who avoid that messy stuff miss out on something." I'm still going shopping for an old army surplus gas mask and a ton of air freshener spray; crappy diapers positively reek, y'know? /P

Hey Peng! Sing to the baby - you'll forget about the smell lol! :] Fish

rofl, i have twins and they are doing parallel stuff... if you need a sample of that "soft body" i have more then enough! ;)

Eek! Is she OK? (And I meant just walking around, Fish, for no real reason, not for important reasons. I'd have no problem helping my mother change clothes, for example, but if she were just wandering around naked, I'd have to scream at her.) On another note? Prejudices? Dude, I /am/ overweight. I have no problem with over weight people in the least. I was making a joke, if you couldn't figure that out. When I type 'teh' and the like? Usually means a joke. Peng, I meant the thumbnail. Sorry for not spelling everything out in a perfectly done 'See Jane Run' wording. :) My fingers get typing and rarely, a word gets left behind in the process. And changing diapers is never fun, though I've done it often enough. My best friend has a three year old nephew. Unka Khrys had to watch him while she went potty. He messed himself. Yeah. (He was about two at the time.) He's a sweet, if heavy kid. (Who knew carrying around fourty pounds of squirming toddler could be such a workout!?) In another note: Lets keep it civil and cheerful, please. No personal attacks, I want an honest, reasonable discussion. What is too much for the freestuff section, what isn't? There /are/ levels of nudity, in my mind. There's the simple nude, like a person sitting on a stool. There's the artistic nude, like a naked woman holding a vase or doing something most people would be clothed for. There's the cheesecake/pin up or provacative nude (Like the image of mine I posted earlier) where there's very little 'actual' artistic content, and the main focus is the naked person who's naked for no real reason. Then there's the 'good goddess!' nude. Which is what the M3 Penis and the thumbnail for the freebie are. I would have no problem showing my mother the image I did. She's sexy, she's naked. It's not in your face, for example. No one part of her anatomy is the main focus of the image. Personally, my attention is drawn first to her face and eyes, then elsewhere. But, then, maybe it's because I'm gay. (BTW, Fish, you posted twice if you didn't know. I got two ebots about it. :) Discuss.

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omg I dont know whether to choke laughing or crying!! I understand what he is saying...just a black bar or something yes it does look like she is threatening to squirt you in the face ..yes I can understand someone being peeved about this. like one poster said...they thought it was just another breast morph. it goes two ways "omg not ANOTHER breast morph/xrated morph" or "OMG YES ANOTHER BREAST MORPH" as for the complaint..oh come on you cant see why some are going omg that should not be a in your face nipple threat. why not stop flamming Khrys. I bet the hoopla would of been rampant if there HAD been an erect penis in the freestuff...and you all know it.

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Khrys, when you - before posting public in this forum - contacted RajDArge about this, explained your point of view to him and maybe asked him to change the thumbnail: What did he answer? THIS is something I would like to know at first.

Bip, quite frankly, I didn't, because I knew what the answer would be. "What's wrong with it? I'm not taking it down!"

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It makes me sad somehow, that people don't try to talk 'with' each other before talking 'about' each other... It also has something to do with respect, doesn't it?

I'm talking 'about' him? I'm not discussing him, but a thumbnail of his.

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But how can you discuss about his thumbnail without him? I absolutely respect your point of view. But I could imagine, he also has a point of view - which I could agree with or not. At least it could be, that he says 'Sorry, I didn't think about it.'. Maybe not. I don't know and you don't know. That's all I wanted to say.

Because it's the thumbnail I'm discussing. I know nothing of his merit/etc...

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Well my mum doesn't wander around naked exactly... lol... but if she did, in the right context, it wouldn't hassle me at all. Hell, it's just a body, just skin. And I don't know about this whole 'ANOTHER breast morph' thing - I mean, if it was an endless parade of knee morphs we were talking about, no one would have a problem with it. But as soon as it's a 'naughty bit', some people get sensitive. That's what I don't like. I see it as a form of informal censorship - protesting against, ridiculing or looking down on somebody else's opinion or taste or whatever... if people want to do endless breast MTs, let them... do something else with your time than complain about it. Or the silly thumbnails for that matter. And there is even a convenent 'no nudity' switch available - I mean for goodness' sake... This certainly doesn't apply specifically to you Khrys, it's a general problem with our fine American conservative (mostly) members here. And the ones who are convinced that all the naked Vickis here are a sign that women are demeaned somehow....... I never did get that logic, maybe Carolly can explain? lol! I live in Sweden - different attitude here. Simple. Nakedness is undramatic. My daughters played around the garden naked in the summer until they were about 5 - no-one cared at all. And we don't have any high walls or anything - people just don't worry about nakedness here. It's not an issue. Girl topless on the family beach? Okay... So who cares? :] Fish PS About my mum - well today she's okay. She didn't damage that hip again when she fell the second time fortunately... whew. But she's so shaky and wobbly and uncertain, it hurts to see her. And she's only 70! Sigh....

My mother's boyfriend's sister's about 75 and gave me a bad scare last year. She had a minor heart attack and slipped, hit her head and broke her hip, all at once. THAT is a string of bad luck. I'll keep her in my thoughts, Fish. As for conservative... I'm not conservative, exactly. I have no real problem with /casual/ nudity. My friends and I change clothes in the same room with no issue, ETC. (And yes, my friends are mostly female. Envy away, boys). It's not a big deal. There's a difference between nudity and /flaunting/ that nudity. I think we all know the difference. Walking through the living room to get fresh clothes, sure. Standing there fondling yourself? No. I'd beat my gal pals over the heads if they ever did that!

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"And yes, my friends are mostly female" Lol! I'd love to see you swap clothes with your male friends, hahahaa!! "a minor heart attack and slipped, hit her head and broke her hip" Ouch.... that's quite a sequence! Is she OK? My mum slipped and fell last winter on an icy spot right outside a shop and bonked her head. If she hadn't been wearing a woolly cap she would have cracked her skull for sure. As it was, she had severe concussion for weeks.... Do you know, the people in the shop ran out and SANDED before they helped her up!! Incredible. It was more important to them to protect their reputation than help her, for goodness' sake! :] Fish

... Why? Swapping clothes with my male friends... most of them dress poorly. Actually, most of them dress like utter... well, computer nerds, because they are. :) Now swapping clothes with my FEMALE friends would be funny, except we did that one halloween. My friend Mary went as the psycho from Scream and I went as her blonde bimbette victim. Wore one of her t-shirts, my own pants (rolled up to capri pant length) and high heels. And she frickin' made me RUN in heels! And she's fine, now. A bit slower in her movements, and her hip hurts from time to time, but the heart attack did /no/ real damage she couldn't survive. She had a big knot on her head for about a week, but it went away. And over here in the US, we do the same thing, Fish. "Go get gloves and some of that powder for the blood! Nevermind the poor person laying on the ground bleeding, don't move 'em!" Guy had a heart attack. Middle of Wal-Mart. He's just laying there on the ground, and people just... walk by...

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When I see all the fuss that can be raised over a pair of mesh-made floaters, boobs that aren't even real boobs, I wonder how far the PoCo zealots will go. I wonder how many forgot that they started their life mlking on a female nipple, and I think there are many of us who did... seeing that nude chest at such an early stage of our innocent childhood should have done terrible damage in our poor baby brains... we should all be socially inadapted and why not, terrible psycho's... In short: it's a tutorial. It allows to "squeeze" breasts and other body elements in a more realistic way, at least that thumbnail made it clear. Let's cut with e "'Oh no! Booobs! yuckkyyyyyy" bullpoop and let's try the tutorial... that's why it's been put in there. I must say I must have done something wrong coz I can't maker the flesh react the same way :/

Uh, dude? FORMULA. And apparently, you didn't read the above posts, AT ALL. You just read part of one and decided to go on, or perhaps just took all the points from previous posts and tried to rewrite them in your own words. I don't CARE about nudity. It's flaunting it. Shoving it in my face with a tasteless display that I find revolting. So what, they're boobs. And dude? You /can/ say shit on the forums.

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Oh no... I'm not getting into this one... Oh no!

"That's another fine mess you got me in to!" -- Oliver Hardy

... Then why did you post?

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Oooohh...WOW!! Thanks God I'd say (no intention to be or sound blasphemous, but, please, calm down...) I had almost lost any hope:I were really afraid that the so-called "sexual revolution" back in the 60s-70s and the so-called illuminated all-rational evolution of the third millennium man had eventually succeded in banishing from our holy (literally, this time)world everything that makes life worth living. No game, just work; no magic, just reason; and, no sex, just mature, responsible and consentient interpersonal activity finalized either to the reproduction of the species (at its best)or a momentary release of physical pleasure. I'm not mocking anyone:Khrys and all the other ladies and gentlemen, no matter if You agree each other or not, You're all perfectly right!!! You know (till now actually not, but so it's used to say), I'm a fricking shrink and each and every day I have to fight against the blindness of so-called colleagues that aren't able to see anything else than neurotransmitters impared balance, narcisistic pathology and, of course, borderline personality disorders!!... I can relieve only speaking with the so-called patients, persons whose only problem often is a blessed deep sensitivity and spirituality that allows them to get and keep in touch with their most deep and true emotions. What the hell, life IS emotions!!! In the (again) so-called ancient and dark - nothing can be so cozy as darkness - ages the nowadays psychiatrists were called "sorcerers", "shamans", but now "sorcerer" (actually "stregone") is what they call me when they're offended by me saying something that You can't read on a blood-analysis sheet. Enough with my personal troubles. What I really intended to say is that sex really matters, always did and always will, and that's simply marvelous to me reading all the reactions and counter-reactions that a pair of squeezed breasts ignited in a hypertechnologic and supermodern community like it should supposed to be that of Poser's users. You (me too in the number)should be supposed to think of them just in terms of polygons, vertices, texturing, IK chains and so on. But thanks God (Whatever You call Him or Her, either You believe in Her or Him or not)it seems that we're all still women and men and that our souls (or psyches, if You prefere) can still be touched and put in turmoil by the basic emotions and feelings of everyday life. I have no intention to judge who's right and who's not, if it's art or pornography,if it's suitable for children or not (by the way they're the smart ones, not the grown-up, so I wouldn't bother too much...). Important thing is all of you were touched by the infinite power of the essence of sex and could not bystand indifferent to the everlasting secret of the woman's body (even through a supposedly cold representation as it should be a computerized image). Sure, it can disturb You, it can arouse You, it can disgust You, You can love it or hate it, but, remember, the only indifferent human being is a dead one... OK, thanks for your patience and bye! Alberto

... Really. Okay, once again I state: I don't care about nudity or sex in the least, so long as they're in the right places. If someone came into a public school and shoved her breasts at a kid, I'd call the cops and then take the kid to a therapist. If some woman was walking down the street and shoved her nude breasts at me? I'd call the cops and probably ask her what she was on. There's a time and a place for 'vulgar' nudity, and the freestuff area is NOT the place. Renderotica is, if anywhere is. If I were THERE griping, I'd expect to get slapped upside the head. :) And dude, you is you, not You.

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Oh I do love this forum, it makes me laugh every day. 8D

grins Glad that the fact we're up to 66 posts is amusing to someone other than me!

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Sorry Khrys... I just started to type a reply to your post... and then I remembered what happens each time I become involved in similar debates... and cold sweat started running down my brow... and I also remembered the promise I made to myself; "no more philosophy"... and then I caught myself talking out loud and my fingers kept typing... and before I knew it some finger hit the "post reply" button... and that's all... No harm intended... :)

"That's another fine mess you got me in to!" -- Oliver Hardy

laughs and nods Completely understandable. In any event, I think we've discussed it as much as possible. Let's all go get food!

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Khrys, You are right when you say that this picture is fit for Renderotica, but hey. look at it up close. Not too close, so it won't be "shoved" in your face again :-) The tutorial is about how to give the "squeeze" look to volumes of flesh. Honestly, only huge boobs or a very firm butt would do, because of their shape. A spheric or close to spheric shape is more evocative than let's say, a finger pointed into a cheek. Especially on a small thumbnail. You mentionned that you don't care for nudity. Fine. You still have a disproportionned reaction over a tiny 200x200px picture that doesn't mean your views on "tastefull" 3d art. You emit an opinion, you say that you feel them to be displayed in the wrong area. Let's see. Do we have a TOS violation here? If so, then it has to be removed. If it's not a TOS violation, then either you speak to the guy who posted it, or you look the other way. You chose not to speak to the guy. If I were you I would. Oh wait. I did. Some time ago a person posted a nazi nurse and a nazi nudie officer in the freebies. Ain't that shocking, tasteless and even very rude? After all, for what I know, many of us might have a grandfather or grandmother, or old aunt, whose arm still carries a tatooed number, symbol of an horrible time and place. I didn't gloat in the forums, I didn't go whine at a mod. I messaged the person. Politely I tink. Still you won't do it, right? After all You "know what he will say". If you're afraid of the reactions you might get to one of your posts, then don't post, period. I did read the other posts on this topic, I agree with some of them, not all of them. I know I can say "shit" in the forums but I don't feel the need to do so. As for rewriting other people's words in my own manner, what use would have for it? Considering the very few times I posted since I regged at 'Rosity, I am obviously not trying to get attention. This message will be well forgotten in what, two days? Perfect by me. You turned a fly into an elephant, Khrys. That's all. Replies not needed, or then make them personal. I don't feel like going into horse beating. Be well, and all these things. And if my english sucks, well, too bad, but I am not an englishman or an american citizen either.

erratum: "You mentionned that you don't care for nudity. Fine. You still have a disproportionned reaction over a tiny 200x200px picture that doesn't MEET your views on "tastefull" 3d art." I'm tired, don't sue my ass :p

Dude. I don't CARE ABOUT. Not FOR. And it doesn't meet just MY views. It doesn't meet most people's views. Anyway. Thread's dead. LET IT DIE.

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"Sorry, but I feel this is a bit rediculous. R'osity gives you the option to filter the nudity in the free stuff. If you are at work, or at home and don't want others to see the nudity, then turn on the filter. Don't expect everybody to have the manners or taste you have."

This is a quote from way up the top somewhere, I've forgotten whose now, apologies to the author.

But I agree with it.

So what, a nudity on/off button isn't enough ? Guess this site really needs a taste on/off button too.

I'm not going to comment on whether or not I think the thumb is tasteful or not purely because it doesn't violate the TOS . It's tastefulness or lack of is irrelevant IMHO.
(Don't like the reflections though....)
If the PTB were to start pronouncing on matters of taste then this site is doomed.
We ultimately end up with not much in the galleries other than cute fairies, cuter kitties and a few spaceships.

But back to the beginning, it's much simpler really for an individual to tick the 'NO NUDITY' box than to worry , fuss and supposedly discuss the taste or lack thereof of the many many other individuals that are members of this site.

Live and let live..........unless it violates the TOS, why should Free Stuff have separate rules to the rest of the site ?

And as to the selling of 3d fetish gear, bondage equipment etc...well it's all probably one of the biggest money earners here and R'osity is a business after all.

" Try and be nice to people, avoid eating fat, read a good book every now and then, get some walking in, and try and live together in peace and harmony with people of all creeds and nations."
-Monty Python

This thumbnail violates one of the sacred-and-oft-quoted Renderosity Terms of Service, this one regarding acceptable images:

"No Explicit sexual content [No manipulation of breasts/nipples/ no sexual situations/ no 'implied' sexual situations"

Discussion over. (Unless, of course, this is one of the thousand-and-one exceptions the PTB decide to make, by either omission or commission, to the otherwise-sacred TOS.)

I think the thumb is hideously ugly, looks worse than a store mannequin..Who would be interested in this anyway??...Go to bbay & download their morphs for breasts or learn how to use magnets for those that are infatuated with big tits ;)Damn..that is the ugliest thumb I've ever scene.......Looks worse than Anna Nicole Smiths LOL. Her implants have risen so far up from the "nipple" level it's sad....Plastic surgery rum amuck LOL

THANK YOU, FAUVE!

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it is not morphs for breasts..it is a tut formaking them looked squished that indented part. see I told you most thought it was for breast morphs...

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Commission Closed till 2025

I deleted the image at the start of the thread because it violated TOS and I do not want to get my ass handed to me!

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So? If you see a TOS violation you contact a Mod. If it's inside the TOS, it's always best to contact the person first and explain how you feel. If they don't change the image, that's what the Nudity Tag is for. And looking at that image, I don't see it as a sexual situation. There are 1001 gallery images where Vicky is staring off into space holding her breasts. shrug Otherwise what you're suggesting is additional rules for taste. And then... whose tastes exactly?

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Mine, of course, Caly. Because mine are the only ones that matter. And Caly? MANIPULATING. Not holding. Manipulating. As in manhandling. Punching, swatting, groping, lifting. Not touching. Touching is fine. It's getting big honkin' handfuls that seem to violate the TOS. And I'm contacting a mod, and I sent the author a message already.

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ohhh Khrys....Khrys.......look what you started..... the tutorial was great man! very well done.... too many processes dough.....ive figured out a way to do the same thing in postwork.....

It's not a case of tastes or interpretation. The TOS says, plain as can be, "No manipulation of the breasts", and here we have a thumbnail image that shows a woman holding hers up and squeezing 'em like day-old Wonder Bread. Squeezing = "manipulation" = TOS violation. The fact that I and apparently some other people think that the image is tacky and vulgar as well is beside the point.

Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I don't make up the rules around here. I'm just amused by the selective way they're enforced.

Biggert, the tutorial won't be taken down, most likely, they'll just remove the offending image and ask him to fix it.

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I don't care if it's morphs/tuts or whatever, the damn pic thing is still ugly as sin..and if that's the results I could expect from a tut then.....the pic says enough.

day-old Wonder bread is really squeezee grins

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Think, what are you asking for? More rules? Already pdxjims has been burned by TOS intrepretations, Look at this other thread- someone wants to restrict image dimensions! Just like nudity, you have the choice _already_ of whether or not you'll view the image. The dimensions are listed under the thumbnail and you have a choice. This site is restrictive enough already (for some) without adding more rules. If a mod thinks the thumbnail violates TOS, c'est la vie. But it seems many are actively seeking to curtail the few 'freedoms' that are left.

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Caly, get with the program. JIM did not get burned by it. Someone else got in trouble over the linking. JIM was asked to repost his, since /he/ had deleted it.

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CALY. English. Do you SPEAK IT? HE deleted HIS post. The rest followed. And frankly, as much as I don't LIKE the fact that Jim won't be sharing his stuff, JIM DELETED HIS OWN POST. Staff thought it was to repost the thread, mistakenly. Learn to read the whole thread before you jump to conclusions. Sheesh.

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I read the whole thread. I'm not sure you did? I know Jim deleted his first post. That's not the issue. Post 31 has visuals you might want to go see, if you don't feel like reading. Oh look, they've already locked the thread. Nothing to see here, move along. beam Have a good evening!

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Renderosity Gallery

I intend to, Caly. And this thread is moot, too, because the item was set back to pending until the poser mods could look at it and determine if it violates TOS. Anyway, yeah. No hard feelings, have a good evening. Me, I'm gonna eats me battered, fried fish. Wish I had some chips.

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Gee, this thread seems to miss the issue... I don't wan't to filter nudity... I want to be able to see body morphs etc offered in Freestuff and I don't care if people in my home see nudes... it is a little more difficult for me to feel good exposing my children to images of women in bondage, fetishware, porno gags or with strange anatomy in poses sugestive of violence... if the figure had her big virtual boob flopped over her arm in a reclining pose or was even just poking it with her virtual index finger... or was a heavy set figure herself in the belly... whatever... but this is clearly a porno pose... those are porno tits on a porno babe in a porno pose... even skinny women with big breasts don't look like that (I have taught painting for over a decade and seen maybe a hundred nude models including all sorts) and I don't belive women commonly walk around the house squeezing the hell out of their breasts... this is an image based on a fantasy obviously not based on versimalatude... to suggest the image doest reflect porno conventions in everyway is diengenuous... BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST. And I don't actually find this thumbnail as offensive as the torture and bondage props posed with figures, why loving sex is restricted but images of sexual violence (even of the so-called role-playing variaty") are endorsed is not clear to me.

Me neither, mom. I don't have a problem with bondage, I think it's interesting, from a psychological standpoint. However, I don't feel Renderosity is the place for such things, and I've said that from the start. And Mom, you summed up my point perfectly with "I don't care if people in my home see nudes... it is a little more difficult for me to feel good exposing my children to images of women in bondage, fetishware, porno gags or with strange anatomy in poses sugestive of violence..." Exactly. Like I'd said. Even if it was just FURTHER BACK I'd have had no issue. Did she have a HEAD?

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So I got screwed out of a tutorial because you couldn't click the no nudity button ? Of course, to be fair, if it wasn't you then it would have been someone else.............sigh...................

Dude. Didn't you read ANY of the thread? "I don't wan't to filter nudity... I want to be able to see body morphs etc offered in Freestuff and I don't care if people in my home see nudes... it is a little more difficult for me to feel good exposing my children to images of women in bondage, fetishware, porno gags or with strange anatomy in poses sugestive of violence..." And you didn't get 'screwed'. It'll be back up, HOPEFULLY with a revised thumbnail.

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Hmmmm...I read this entire thread...my conclusion...the rude way some members treat each other is much more offensive than that image. No need for anyone to be obnoxious because they can't convince everyone they should get their way or that their opinion is the only one that matters.

;^P

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The Tutorial is being moved to the Tutorial Section [Renderosity Offsite tutorials] which is the home of tutorials that are in PDF format :) Give it about a day to get uploaded - Thanks for your understanding in this matter :) Check the above link to for its posting. Sincerely, Dee-Marie

Thank you Dee-Marie ! I really appreciate the information ! I can read just fine Khrys. The last post to this thread should have been EnglishBob's post. Goodnight all.

You are welcome Please IM me with a reminder, and I will be happy to post the link to the tutorial when it is relisted. Going to bed now - been a long day :) Dee-Marie

"Yadda yadda yadda... but I sympathise with the original point. You have control in visiting the galleries but I would like some voluntary restraint in the Freestuff Thumbnails so I can go there unfiltered... not only are there times other people are around, there is also stuff I just don't want to see. But... my attitude relies on mature judgment and sensitive from the posters, I am convinced these bondage and discipline people actually seek to shock and offend... so I guess they are getting their jollies form the likes of me." Ridiculous. YOu can turn off the TV right? Why can you not turn off texture loading in your browser and do it in text mode only. Or better yet not even load renderosity. I for one want a detailed thumb that shows me exactly what I am getting and how it will look before I download it. YOu can blame Renderosity for not having a "turn off thumbnails" optoion on thier webpages as other sites do. YOu would read playgirl around the kids right? So don't do renderosity around the kids either. Or pser for that matter. Sensativities of others? So then I suppose it would be "insensative" to post a thumbnail of a Nazi soldier uniform for some people here? Not likely at all. In fact such a uniform has already been posted here. Artists come in all shapes and sizes. I suppose the author could have chosen to demonstrate softbodies with pressing a hand on an arm but since the dominiate form of art her is nude Victoria/Posette what better place than on the breasts. Just get over it a refrain from Posering around your family. PeteJ

"Yeah, but since when does it have to be in the thumbnails for freestuff items. Best reserved for the galleries or posting. We keep touting to be a "family" site but then we let stuff like this get out there. Cant play it both ways folks." Dave, since before you ever knew renderosity existed. I think just about ever 3D forum displays nude thumbnails. Just be happy that none show a sexual act. Next you will be crying about lingerie, leather or "toys" being displayed all by themselves. Especially if the toys resemble human body parts that are uhm... "happy". BTW, Renderosity in its current and past forms has never ever been a "family site". Family sites have zero nudity period. in any and all sections.

wolf359, I hope that was just a quick and dirty demo mpg. no omes brests bounces that violently when walking. Further, they are bounces nearly in sync and real ones don't do that either when the body moves. LOL PeteJ

"The visual is just not what one expects to see in freebie thumbnails." NO. YOu mean to say its not what YOU expect" The majority here know full well what to expect at this site. Stupid points that others made: The content reflects on them in the shop and in the free stuff. Hardly the case. Do I think all here are perverse(no offense) based on what a few post? Not at all. Perhaps on should start a Renderosity sister site called "PoserPrudosity" and only allow full length clothing and zero morphs to keep that stiff manichen look. PeteJ

" However, it's not very tasteful, now is it? I wouldn't want this to be a freebie here. Why? it's just not tasteful." Oh Christ, Khryst. I mean Khrys, There is nothing tasteless about that manly thumbnail. Nothing at all. Its a human body part. Get over it. Again, Renderosity is not and has never been a "Family site" Sure there isn't gratuitous sex in the freebie thumbs because that would serve nothing But if your manly thumb happened to be a vastly more realistic texture for that manly body part then I would want to see the quality of it prior to downloading.

"And the ones who are convinced that all the naked Vickis here are a sign that women are demeaned somehow" JUst the logic that the display of nude women it what ever janra(spelling?) is also ridiculous. Take hetero porn for instance. Isn't the guy also being demeaned?Especiallly since the male actore only makes a quarter of what the females do. Okay, so some actors call the actresses names and stuff. I do think that that is piggish of men an therefore demeaning but still, in the end the actress has the upperhand. And what of gay porn? OF the two actors which is the one being demeaned? The catcher other pitcher? If both are not famous do they both make the same amount of money? Why is it that some women always complain about things that demean women but they never bother to mention that its demeaning to men too using thier logic. Its because really they know that its not demeaning and that they wish they were making the money that the actresses are. BTW they start at 1k per day all the way up to 5k and possibly more. Averge video can take up to 3 days and each actress pumps out, so to speak, several videos a month. Do the math who's being exploited here? The men. PeteJ

Let me guess, this thread is a spin off of Seinfield, right? An unaired episode perhaps? The one were Elaine decides to get a boob job, but than is not sure if they feel right or not, so she asks Jerry to feel her boobs. He's not sure, so he has George and Kramer feel her boobs. After that, they still are not sure so they start groping all the women they met, trying to decide if Elaine's new boobs feel like other women's boobs, only they plot thickens as they began to argue - er make that debate - whether or not the woman (women) they just groped had real boobs or fake boobs. So the episode ends. But than, Seinfield was a show that prided itself on being a show about nothing....

"... Really. Okay, once again I state: I don't care about nudity or sex in the least, so long as they're in the right places. If someone came into a public school and shoved her breasts at a kid, I'd call the cops and then take the kid to a therapist." And if I was your kid, I would kick you in the knee for calling the cops and then in your bits for wasting money on a shrink when all that needed to be done was for you and I to discuss what I saw. LOL. "If some woman was walking down the street and shoved her nude breasts at me? I'd call the cops and probably ask her what she was on." If some woman did that to me I'd love it. Especially if she was attractive. Similarly,I would bet that if a guy did that to you with his bits, you would not object in the least if he were attractive. If you did object then you would not be gay as you say you are. There's a time and a place for 'vulgar' nudity, and the freestuff area is NOT the place. There is no "vulgar" nudity in in the freestuff. I know this woman I work with who's boods are each larger than her waste and she is fat. Unattractive to me? Yes. Vulgar? no. Even when she grabs them to push them out of the way or reset them. Not vulgar. About the Renderotica remark: Well seeing how the display of nudity on the thumbs has been around since before what is now renderosity existed. Obviously it is appropriate for this website. PLease go create a Poser PC website for yourself and those like you if you wish. The way I see it, you have no right to complain. YOu knew what this site was all about the first time you came here and it will not waver from that in the future. Again stop surfing when your kids are around. Turn off the thumbs. YOu cannot have it both ways. Besides, in your case you do not need to see the thumbs since you do not feel the need to see what the upload does prior to your downloading it. PeteJ

This thumbnail violates one of the sacred-and-oft-quoted Renderosity Terms of Service, this one regarding acceptable images: "No Explicit sexual content [No manipulation of breasts/nipples/ no sexual situations/ no 'implied' sexual situations" Discussion over. (Unless, of course, this is one of the thousand-and-one exceptions the PTB decide to make, by either omission or commission, to the otherwise-sacred TOS.) The only item it supposedly violates is "manipulation of..." However that does not mean just any manipulation in my opinion. That measn manipulation is a sexual manor. Grabbing ones breasts or bits is not a sexual act. PeteJ

Who would be interested in this anyway?" Those of us who are interested in having the characters body behave a close to real as POser will allow in animations. The tutorial is how to make the skin react to preassure from gravity or other objects. Its not a big tit thing. PeteJ

"If some woman did that to me I'd love it. Especially if she was attractive. Similarly,I would bet that if a guy did that to you with his bits, you would not object in the least if he were attractive. If you did object then you would not be gay as you say you are." So I guess that means the next time a man exposes himself indecently to me, I shouldn't object? Otherwise I must not be as straight as I say I am? Oh right, it's only if he's ugly that I should object? What, if he's good looking, I should be grateful for a glance at his dangly bits? I don't think so.

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"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

Oh, come on. Everyone knows women will have sex with any man who exposes his large genitals. At least, that's what the spam in my spamtrap seems to want me to believe... ;-) bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

Dear Khrys, 1)In the country I'm from You - and not you - is an epistular form of courtesy. 2)Who said "Thread's dead. LET IT DIE". I counted nine replies from Khrys since... 3)"If someone came into a public school and shoved her breasts at a kid, I'd call the cops and then take the kid to a therapist. If some woman was walking down the street and shoved her nude breasts at me? I'd call the cops and probably ask her what she was on." You really like cops, don't You (again). That's nothing wrong with that, but taking a kid to a therapist because a woman showed her breasts to him...I really don't know, in the ancient country I live in women shows their breasts to children in order to feed them. I already said: kids never get things wrong...unless someone teaches that them. 4)Maybe it's (was) against Renderosity TOS (whatever that means), but I always like playing than getting too serious (kids teach me that everyday). 5)Again, I apologize for my bad English. Alberto

I'm speaking as guy. For example, most straight men would love a woman to just walk up to hem and sy lets "F" Provided that the person approching were found to be attractive. And in some cases just the mear fact that they were approched in that way does great things for the esteem GAy or straight a guy will always be a guy. Women on the otherhand don't feel this way. They think they are being objectified. As men are too in the above example But eveyone objectifies everyone else. YOu see a guy across the room, you might think "wow he;s attractive" or "he's hot" or "wow I'd love to do it with him". Either way, you have just objectified him. YOu might be speaking to a guy, say over the phone or something. YOu tmight think "God his voice is sexy" YOu just objectified him The first time a person meet anyone, they objectify by thinking "Handsome", "Ugly", etc. A straight guy meets another straight guy for the first time who's face might all be twisted and if deemed offensive in some small way, they have objectified "So I guess that means the next time a man exposes himself indecently to me, I shouldn't object? Well no. OF course if the guy looks unattractive I guess you are free to do so. Even so, just the mere fact that he did it means your attractiveness compelled him to do so. If a female did that to me I would be flattered and it boosts my esteem immensly. How many guys do you know that would not welcome a "flasing" from a female. Likely none. Except maybe a priest or something. But we know deep down they really like it. Otherwise I must not be as straight as I say I am? Oh right, it's only if he's ugly that I should object? What, if he's good looking, I should be grateful for a glance at his dangly bits?" Not grateful but at leat feeling flattered maybe. PeteJ

"They think they are being objectified." as a woman... have to say, only in certain cases, under certain circumstances. I think a better way to describe it, if a man makes an untoward advance, is that we women feel sometimes threatened by the act. To some degree I think this is a biological response: women are simply smaller than men on average, and so there's some good old fashioned fear of being forced into a sexual situation against our will. Personally I never found a man's sexual anatomy to be all that attractive to me, it depended on the personality of the man much more so than just his appearance. So, if a man exposes his genitals to me without any rhyme or reason, I'm likely to feel disturbed by the situation. However with art its different... I don't feel disturbed by a rendering of a naked man in any way, shape or form. Art is not a potential physical threat, like a man in your personal space can be. However from a familiar and wanted man... I think the response would be to be flattered and perhaps flirtatious, a real boost to the self esteem, I'm sure of that.

Good freaking lord. I go to bed, wake up and ONE PERSON has made TEN replies. To himself. And quite frankly, if some guy came up to me and shoved his groin in my face, I don't care WHO he is, I'd punch him and walk off. Why? I have a bit of class and taste, and don't let my hormones rule my head, apparently unlike pjanak whose reply content makes me think he's perhaps just recently finished puberty. "Oh Christ, Khryst. I mean Khrys, There is nothing tasteless about that manly thumbnail. Nothing at all. Its a human body part. Get over it." You obviously do not know what the word 'tasteful' means. Allow me to give you a webster definition: adj 1: having or showing or conforming to good taste [syn: in good taste(p)] [ant: tasteless] 2: having flavor [ant: tasteless] 3: free from what is /tawdry/ or /unbecoming/; "a neat style"; "a neat set of rules"; "she hated to have her neat plans upset" [syn: neat, refined] Tawdry: adj. tawdrier, tawdriest Gaudy and cheap in nature or appearance. See Synonyms at gaudy1. Shameful or indecent: tawdry secrets. 2. Very fine and showy in colors, without taste or elegance; Would I call both the thumbnail for softer bodies and the cheap shot I made tawdry? Hell yes. Would I call them tasteless? Hell yes. It's NOT something I would hang on my wall, it's NOT something I would so to my friends, except to perhaps emotionally scar them. And I'll thank you not to imply that I have a persecution complex or that I think I'm the Christian savior. My parents picked the name, not I. I'd much rather have gone by my middle name, Austin, but by the time I'd figured it out, it was too late, the name had stuck. And for goodness sake, quit flaming people. Find a hobby, that's what this site's about. Everyone else has pretty much agreed that the thread is dead and you're still yammering on like one of those little annoying dogs...

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"Not grateful but at leat feeling flattered maybe." That is the exact attitude I spend my entire life fighting. Have you any idea what kind of pain that kind of statement causes a rape victim? It is attitudes like this which prevent women (and men) desparately in need of help, from seeking it... for fear of what people will think/say. Please, please think about what you are saying. I am sure you don't really believe that victims of sexual assault should be flattered by the attention of their attacker. Please think about your words, you have no idea of the hurt they can cause, I hope without meaning to. Well now this thread has gone from a discussion on nudity in art and advertising to violent crime, I think it's time I bowed out...

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I agree, Karen, and I honestly think it's time the mods lock the thread.

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If I am walking down a street and a guy wolf whistles it IS flattering. However he better stay in his space, because like bijou mentioned, if he moved in close I would feel threatened. I don't think that if a woman flashed her breasts in a school that the kids would need therapy. They're just breasts. All women have them including the kid's mother. I do know plenty of men who would just LOVE it if a random woman walked up to them and exposed her breasts. Mardi Gras, anyone? Girls Gone Wild? ;) I personally am not bothered by that thumbnail. It does fit its tutorial shrug. Neither did I care about the penis shot up above.

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You spent all day yesterday here, been here since some very early hour (5am MST, and if you of course live in North America, that means 7am... way too damned early for any sane man to rant, ne?) Next time, email the guy, then email the mod. Me, I was having fun at it, and left it at that. You seem to have taken it personally... It simply ain't that big of a deal IMO. /P

I'm not taking it personally. I just happen to spend ALL my time on the computer, since this is where I work, and tend to relax. And Yahoomail tells me with a loud 'BONG' sound that I've gotten a response. I asked Deemarie to just LOCK the damn thread last night, but she's not been on to do so. For that matter, I keep strange hours. I was perfectly content to let it die last night once the image in question was removed because it violated the TOS. Then the Flamer decided to post ten times. And I got ten ebots telling me he'd written responses, plus the one or two others saying so as well. And I'm a naturally curious person. So. I click, see they're ALL from him. Pjanik made a personal attack against me. I rebuffed him. Simple. Now. Let's let the stupid thread DIE.

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"...and Yahoomail tells me with a loud 'BONG' sound that I've gotten a response" Err, turn off the ebot? But yeah, time for the thread to die... but I really feel like looking at some breasts when I get home now. (evil grin) /P

laughs You do that, dude. Have fun, and congrats on the bebe!

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Well, I just read the tutorial. Guys seems okay. Feel bad all this rained down on s/him. Big boobs even are reasonable in context of tutorial says Lord Judge Mom ;) My issue in the thread has not been this particular but the issue of curtesy in the Freestuff, I actuall almost didn't comeback here after that Nazi stuff, that is the worst I have ever seen. Why don't I turn off the Thumbnails? Because without them there is NO hope of knowing what the downloads are... you try it... rarely are the pop up notes illuminating. Not all of us have unfetter access to a private computer, are we unworthy to be here? I'm just asking for curtesy... I don't care whats happening in the gallerys, I MEAN I DO NOT CARE, but I would like the banners, thumbnails and forums to be used with consideration and civility since they constitute the "virtual public space" of the site. This whole male female thing bores me, I can't even engage in a discusion that equates the objectification of male bodies with the objectification of female bodies when we accept without pause the female apartide edemic in most of the world without question... come on... people whoe equate the penis with the female breasts who who if I showed them a vulva would call it a vagina? You can talk to me about a level playing feild when the the equivilent of the graphic representation of a womans breasts is a mans breasts.

I often wonder if the fellows who imagine women should feel flattered by catcalls are the same fellows who are enraged when an othetr man politely expresses interest in them? I have never understood why some men get so enraged by the mere idea of being hit on by "gays", why so many men feel they have to keep gays out of the military in case other men might merely be silently looking at them and doing nothing, yet women are supposed to enjoy the attention of sexual harasment, intimidation or even sexual abuse and be good sports about it. Next time you think about how you would feel about some woman flashing you... think about weather you would feel as good about some dude doing it you... in either case it might be a little presumptuous. On the other hand... it infurates my children to see roofers at work, the men with thier shirts of and the women sweating, they say either "the women should get thier shirts off too or the men should have to wear thiers".

Everyone...ALL of you....have to agree with me. Me. ME!!!

You must do exactly what I have decided should be done. If you don't, I will sic the TOS on you!

Any dispute or disagreement with my positions constitutes flaming. Your points are are invalid. You are hereby placed on OFFICIAL NOTICE: you have been labeled.

Now, I shall go off and eat some fish and chips.

[[I am NOT smug.....not at all.......]]

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So if something's against the TOS, it should be allowed to stay up, huh? You agreed on the Terms Of Service when you joined the site, just like the rest of us. I did NOT sic the TOS on this, because I did NOT know it was against the TOS. I asked a question. Was the thumbnail too provocative? A lot of people said yes. I was told by several people to contact both a mod AND the original author. I did as I was told I should. DeeMarie saw fit to remove it. She was the final judge, NOT myself. Not ANYONE ELSE IN THE THREAD. We're ALL just members, not mods. I've been trying hard to keep the discussion civil and reasonable. I bear no ill will toward anyone here, especially those who've managed intelligent debate without resorting to attacking the other party in the process. Just... let it DIE, people. Attacking someone for having different viewpoints is NOT cool. glances at Xeno

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Dude, get with the program. English, don't YOU speak it? Sound familiar? Yet you go on about how people shouldn't be rude... roflmao They really need emoticons here.

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Gotta agree with Caly here... (funny though, Khrys... you're so eager to let the thread die, yet you keep fueling it - strange.) Now, for the reason I posted? (cue ominous music here...) I find Xenophonz' views to be callous, cruel, and far too narrow for a civilized person. I hereby challenge Xenophonz to handbags at dawn! :p Oh, there was something else, too: Momodot sez: " I often wonder if the fellows who imagine women should feel flattered by catcalls are the same fellows who are enraged when an othetr man politely expresses interest in them?" Actually, the two aren't linked in any meaningful way, IMHO. There is a difference between the act of treating women (or anyone else for that matter) as mere playthings and disliking the gay lifestyle. Something to consider... /P

Handbags, Peng? Shouldn't it be Dufflebags at dawn? :D Hey I actually do feel flattered by catcalls! And I'm a woman. :D That doesn't mean I want the guys to move any closer though.

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HUH?................still going? will this saga ever end? ROFLMAO 8D And I'm not going to turn off my ebots 'cos I have lots of threads I want to keep an eye on. I only come back to this one 'cos it has made me larf for 2 days now and IT'S STILL GOING ON. 8) Catlin

I was tired, and I apologise, Caly. At least I've got the guts to do it and admit when I'm wrong. I shouldn't have even started the damn thread, and I've asked no less than three mods to lock it since yesterday afternoon because it was just the SAME OLD THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER... Uh, Cait? Only been going on since yesterday. Peng, I think what Mom was saying is this: Men don't mind hitting callously on women. But when another man says, "Wanna have dinner and a movie?" he gets beat up, made fun of or otherwise rebuffed by the majority of heterosexual men. Yet it's perfectly alright for Macho Man to go grab some woman's ass, or something else along those lines, and doesn't understand WHY she slaps him.

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Peng --

Back in my college days, I used to fence with the epee. I was good at it, too.

I'll have my second get in touch with your man. The meadow at dawn, I think. If the grass is dry.

I have never claimed to be civilized. Why would I want to go and spoil my reputation like that???

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Peng --

THAT is what I am upset about!

You associated ME with the concept of being CIVILIZED! What a terrible insult!

Yes, yes.....if the grass is dry.

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Khrys, Why don't you make your final, final post and then uncheck that, "Email me when someone replies", box ? Then the thread will die for you. Quit asking mods to lock a thread that you only started. This thread is a community thread and people can say what they will. Asking mods to, "lock" this thread when other people want to comment is very rude and smacks of censorship. If YOU are done with this thread then take my advice above and leave us to OUR thread.

"Men don't mind hitting callously on women""I'll have my second get in touch with your man. The meadow at dawn, I think. If the grass is dry." The meadow will do fine. It is on, then. BTW - Is armor-plating on the Gucci acceptable, and shall it be pumps or stilettoes? /P /P

The last time that I "hit" a "woman" was sometime back in the 60's or 70's.

She was my sister, and we were both quite young.

After a time, I grew up. And I have never "hit", nor "hitt-ed" on a woman since then.

BTW - Is armor-plating on the Gucci acceptable, and shall it be pumps or stilettoes

Neither. Just nerf blades on the swords.

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Badco: Already done it twice. Won't quit emailing. Peng: Stilettoes! They'd really show off your calf armor!

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Rofl.............again! 8)

Thanks for everyone's input, however the subject has gone from helpful commentary to personal attacks, which, as everyone one know is against TOS Thomas Poser Coordinator

smitthms, Actually its, as everyone knows, not, "as everyone one know". Glad I could help ! Btw, consider this your first warning. You are impeading the progress of comedy. We are laughing and you are bumming us out. Please don't let this happen again or we might have to ban you for a week. Citizens Arrest

Sorry folks but this is a lock down..... :~) This thread has worn itself out and the horse is a bloody pulp. No vet can save him. Michelle A. Moderator.... but sometimes I'm called that mean lady with the paddle. ;~)

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