In light of recent protests against the lack of certain demographics represented fairly on the galleries, I would like to make it known that I am also protesting discrimination. After all I'm an aging woman, and there are almost no graphics on the galleries showing aging women or older men in any kind of relationship with each other or anyone else. I'm going to boycott all artists who don't use at least one older person in their gallery. I'm tired of the youth bias of this place. I'm going to only buy from merchants who are over 50. I'm also overweight and, an an overweight person, I resent the fact that the predominance of pictures on the gallery show thin people, and that most merchants only provide clothing that fit thin people so that we overweight people are forced to use thin people in graphics if we had the strange preference of wanting to have them clothed. Which brings me to the next discrimination. There is definitely a discrimination against people who wear clothes. As clothing wearing person, I think I have the absolute right to demand clothing on everyone else. And I don't mean silly strings up the derriere crack. Too bad I'm Caucasian. I can't really protest a lack of white people on the galleries because, frankly, there is a predominance of Anglo-Saxon types, though none of them look remotely like my family (which is a good thing, I suppose, for the viewers). But, on behalf of the Martians whose homes we are invading with metal monsters this week, I protest there are not enough pictures of Mars on the galleries. I am also plain. Studies have shown that beautiful people get preferential treatment in relationships, employment, etc. I protest that there is not enough representation of plain people on the galleries or available n the marketplace. Even though I am not yet physcially challenged, I protest that there is almost no representation of that significant portion of the population who use wheelchairs or other appartus to help them get through what is surely a more difficult life than the one I live through. I also protest the lack of representation for the every day worker on the galleries. Independently wealthy Vickys in the Temple do not demonstrate an awareness of the wealth of diversity of employment in the world (see Studs Terkel's Working if you need a starting place for inspiration). I also protest the unequal proportion of human beings in graphics. The other life forms are unequally represented. I think that's all I can protest for now. I also protest the redundancy of theme on the galleries. I think there should be a limit of three identically posed and barely clothed Vickys in the galleries, and only one should be allowed in the "Hot 20." It's a start. I have my signs ready.

:-)))))

LOL.... GOOD ONE dialyn ....

dialyn.... "Independently wealthy Vickys in the Temple" independently wealthy??? If I were a Vicky and "independently wealthy", I don't think I'd be standing around in some cold temple half naked or naked..as some are...and, I probably wouldn't even be here either.

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*LOL* Dialyn! Well spoken (written) I know you've allready commented on my picture "Couple by the Sea" but well, this is an excellent possibility to promote it again ;o)

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I love it, dialyn.........I'm with You! LOL!

Been reading Vonnegut have you?

Okay I'll bite, considering I'm new to poser, how do I make "older folks' out of my characters short of colouring their hair white. (seriously I'd like to learn this as I do have an idea for a pic and I need a wize older man and woman for the pic. P.S. Dialyn, that was a great rant :)

I expect that is any of us did any thing that you are suggesting then they also would be removed seeklight

Well said(written) Dialyn! Better representation of the aging population would be good. LOL

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Hmm, let see... I've got the elderly aspect, the disabled on several accounts (blind, loss of left hand, confined to a full life-support hair), plain (Shoot, make that UGLY!), fully clothed, oops, deduct some points for being skinny, but I guess I might gain points for his not being Anglo-Saxon or even being a "local" Martian (He's a Kaled from the planet Skaro.). Yeah, I think I supplied most of the criteria. Honestly, I'm not poking fun "AT" you, Dialyn, but rather joining in the laughter "WITH" you. Sincerely, Bill

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What you say is true, but some of us do make aging, heavyset characters. A lot of the morphing clothes at Daz will fit heavier models with just a little tweaking. Check out this link for a modern day granny.

My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!

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Here's another one. :-)

My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!

"I'm going to only buy from merchants who are over 50." Looks like I'll have to stay with free stuff until my next birthday, then. :-)

Hmm ... Protest, verb intransitive: to record dissent or objection.
Protest, verb transitive: to make a solemn declaration of. I know
these two frequently get mixed up in the media these days, but I
protest my abhorrence of the erosion of the distinction, and I
protest about how widespread it's becoming. > Exit pedant mode

I think I apply on most of those categories! ROFLOL!!! Now this was a fun thread to read. Thanks Dialyn!! :) Irene

Why in the Heck would I want to make a picture of someone my age and body. Thats why I'm into Fairies, elves, etc. What? Enough all ready, So what next. I can only look at Jewish pictures, because I'm Jewish. Or better yet I have to look at Christain pictures to prove I'm not discriminating againist a group.

Love is Grandchildren.

Turtle, you do realize this is satire, don't you?

Dialyn said ".........there are almost no graphics on the galleries showing aging women or older men in any kind of relationship with each other or anyone else. Totally agree (at least with this line ;-). In all honesty I have observed the same in regard to the age thing. While I have textures/characters etc. to create pics with more muture & "overweight" folks, I have a hell of a time with getting the clothing fits I want. By the time I'm done the clothing is a mess and I'm frustrated to no end. I wish we had some merchants doing clothing for "full figured" males & females. I know you'd see more pics from me. I do have plans in the works for a pic featuring more mature men and women,but for me they'll have to be skinny til some clothing comes around. :-)

haha ... must aggree - so many beautful young ladies her - no place for good old fully clothed sister josepha ... ;)

hmm..does Dr. Geep count? he has white hair..I remember Enryoka1 doing an older, 'mass-challenged' woman a while back, so it does happen..;) I can't post in the marketplace for 4 years now! well, maybe my credit will be back by then..;) I have placed some crainially-covered-challenged folks in my pics, does that get me any brownie points?..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

I only said Vicky was independently wealthy because she apparently has no visible means of support.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

I've wanted to use that old joke in the worst way.

Is everyone here old? When I read the posts and browse the galleries I always think you people are young. Thank you for finally breaking the illusion. You have changed my views of old people. Yes, old people rock.

Dialyn, thanks for posting this.

Now I'm off to render some old folks (over 30-year-olds) :)

smacks Scourge Being "over 30" isn't old, you goose! ~_^ -=LovePyrs=-

It's all a matter of perspective. When I was 18, 50 seemed ever so old. Now that I'm over 50, 60 looks relatively young.

This might have been funny yesterday. Now it just seems exploitative of yesterday's issue.

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I am only going to buy from merchants who sell things. I don't care about anyone's ideological axe to grind. In fact, people's mindless politically correct raving only encourages me to buy even more items from the marketplace.

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Well, Dialyn, I'm fixin' to be 32, so I'm sure you can see why I take offense (jokingly of course!). LOL I would like to voice my opinion in this protest...I'm tired of seeing the naked Vickys...I say more naked Mikes in the temples with ahem swords! =P LMAO -=LovePyrs=-

Good....that's a good idea. Now, let's see how many views you get vs. the Vicky pics.

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I think we "old" people have the right to view, buy and say whatever we want...heck we invented sex! Just kidding, just kidding...LOL

My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!

Exploiting someone means "unfairly or cynically using another person or group for profit or advantage"....I don't see any profit or advantage I'm given by protesting my own issues. There is nothing cynical about what I wrote...if you have read anything I've written over the past year, you will know that I have consistently bemoaned the lack of variety on the galleries, and celebrated those that have broken out of the standard mold. My position hasn't changed since I joined Renderosity (well, okay, sometimes I stand up and sometimes I sit down). And my expectation is that I'll hold this position without the expectation of help or support from others (it's nice to get, but I don't expect it). The one thing I will not do to is suggest I am a victim of Renderosity....I choose to be here, and I will choose some day to go, but it will be my choice. If I'm a fool, I'm a fool of my own making. What I post is my responisibility and I give no one permission to take my responsibility for myself away from me. And that is that. Thanks everyone! I appreciate the input.

Like you said dialyn, it's the perspective. Of course I don't seriously think 30 is old (I know you got the joke LovePyrs but I'm just making sure).

I'm getting older all the time too. Now that I'm 21 I think teenagers are all just little kids, forgetting it's been only a couple of years since I was one.

Oh my this really brightened up a stressful day. ROFLMAO!!! Dialyn, thank you so much for a good laugh and an interesting point. Life was getting a little bit too serious. Well, I'm only 49, (for two more months, so I guess you won't be sneeking into my gallery for a peak even though I've got some "senior" art. ;-) http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=534582&Start=1&Artist=Jay7347&ByArtist=Yes Have a good one!!! -jay

You can imagine what teenagers look like to me! They are so young to me. But you know, what the good part is, that I find the older I get, the less I envy them. They are younger, prettier, thinner than I and, for all that, I would not want to be them. Go figure. What I lack is the talent to express in any artistic fashion how interesting this aging business is....how there is a grace and beauty in getting older and seeing things through your own eyes transformed, remembering youth but in an enhanced way. Alas, that's difficult for me to communicate. But I don't know that anyone would care anyway.

LMAO Of course I got the joke Scourge! That's why you got a smack instead of a good "smackz0rz." >_> I'm just not looking forward to this up coming birthday at all. sigh Damn Rockets, you are old... =P Xeno, see, here is the thing, I don't create my stuff for the sole purpose of getting X amount of views in my gallery. I used to do that many years ago, create what I thought other people would like, not what I wanted. I do create naked Vickys. It is because I simply think that the human body is beautiful. I just haven't had the chance to upgrade to the Mikes yet. =P Whether or not someone views my gallery here or on my web site (gallery coming soon there), it makes little difference to me any more. If I create something that others find pretty or nice to look at, that is just the icing on the cake. =D -=LovePyrs=-

Xeno, see, here is the thing, I don't create my stuff for the sole purpose of getting X amount of views in my gallery. I used to do that many years ago, create what I thought other people would like, not what I wanted. I do create naked Vickys. It is because I simply think that the human body is beautiful. I just haven't had the chance to upgrade to the Mikes yet. =P Whether or not someone views my gallery here or on my web site (gallery coming soon there), it makes little difference to me any more. If I create something that others find pretty or nice to look at, that is just the icing on the cake. =D That's just the point. One creates what one wishes to create. Conversely, other people cannot be forced to like it. Victoria is always going to be more popular to view than Michael. Always. It has something to do with programmed, built-in human nature.

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Or horny teenage boys... looks around innocently What? =P

Yes, how DARE men act like males?

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I agree with PhoenixRising. That's a shock to me. I don't usually agree with him. ;D In Lieu of what happened yesterday... Discrimination against homosexuality is not a nice thing, neither are folks like the KKK, and this seems to be trivializing the valid complaint of yesterday. Though ageism isn't nice either, or bias based on weight. You're a lot less likely to get beat up or killed if you're fat or old though. It's not just the inconsistent TOS when it comes to images. Though the issues with trigger-happy folks when it comes to locking /moving threads seems to be related to that. I also haven't forgotton Lady Cherry. There's also the hypocrisy of them selling bondage stuff, genitals, and sex poses that can't be used here. Then there's the thing about refunds and copyright infringements. I asked for a refund on the GothicAngel stuff. I get an IM telling me it will be updated. I send another IM saying I don't want it, that I want a refund, and I still haven't heard back about the refund. There's also the sensation that they play favorites. Stormi's texture Charley was exclusive here. If GA hadn't spoken up, I wouldn't have known that it was a copyright infringement. These things once properly investigated and a solution found should be be told to consumers. Now I'm wondering how many other things I've bought have infringements that were swept under the rug.

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I saw a lovely larger lady in one of the galleries here the other day but due to getting OLDER :) can't remember where! I must say that one of my first thoughts was that it would probably get some snotty remarks as a similar one did a while ago by one or two viewers with limited brainpower who thought that 'glamour shots' of older people were unsightly. I have portraits of both a larger girl ("1647" - read the description) and a more mature lady ("Ol' Blue Eyes") in my gallery and love them just as much as my "regular" gals. BRING ON THE BIG, THE BEAUTIFUL AND THE 'BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME' CROWD - YOU ROCK :) :) :)

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Caly, thank you for stopping by. I would have been so disappointed if you hadn't joined in the discussion. ookami, I wonder why we think Martians would take human form? My cat seems somewhat alien to me. ;) And take a look at the Poser cat (not the milleneum one)...alien, yes?

Lilybelles, you got it goin' on!!!

Xeno, I know! How appalling!! snickers BTW, I was only teasing with you and my comment about the naked Michaels. Well, no, actually I'd like to see more naked Michaels just cuz some of them look damn hot. =D People like what people like, nothin' wrong with that. =) Caly, while I agree somethings shouldn't be made light of, there is also a time and place for levity. To me, this thread is a way of showing us how ridiculous some of these "protests" really are. Not all, just some. As for the image that was pulled yesterday, I don't think it was because of fear of homosexuality. But, perhaps I am wrong, wouldn't be the first time, nor the last. =P Dialyn, I think you are on to something here... looks at her five cats suspiciously Uh huh, I can see the antennas!! OMG! -=LovePyrs=-

OMG! You mean, I'm old?! When did that happen?! (Turned 40 last October). I am having a hard time getting it through my head though (I have braces, still wear my hair in braided pigtails) the only reminder is "gravity is my enemy" and the occasional stiff creaky knees (where did that come from?!) ;-) Dialyn, Loved your rant, agree totally and "Yea" to those who like to "poke the stick" once in a while when the monkeys get to taking themselves too seriously.

Xeno, I know! How appalling!! snickers BTW, I was only teasing with you and my comment about the naked Michaels. Well, no, actually I'd like to see more naked Michaels just cuz some of them look damn hot. =D That's fine. This is a bit of an odd thread -- we've got joking posts mixed together with dead-serious posts......sometimes, it can be difficult to discern the difference. I know of people that condemn men as a group, simply because they act like men -- with male interests and desires. What these individuals fail to realize is that this is like condemning an eagle for flying. The eagle flies because it's an eagle. This is not to say that everything that men do is good -- NO. Just that men have certain inclinations, and that these inclinations are given to men by nature. Learning to control one's natural impulses is the beginning of a thing called civilization. But that's another subject.

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Well I've got some plumper ladies...I just dislike how the clothes fit or don't(just like real life) also I don't really have any textures to do older people justice.... Alas there isn't much sales for such things so people don't make many of them. It's a vicious circle.

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A link to one of my pics....loosely based off me.

My favorite part of a thread like this is when people reveal treasures I've missed on the galleries. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I didn't connect this with the post from yesterday until it was mentioned. Geeze.. Thanks a lot. ;) Talk about feeling old. I got a ticket yesterday from a CHP officer that looked like he was 15. MAN I felt old and I'm only 38.

Talk about feeling old. I got a ticket yesterday from a CHP officer that looked like he was 15. MAN I felt old and I'm only 38. Did you tell him that he was too young to be handing out tickets?

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Yes, Xeno, I know about those people. It's sad really, and so incredibly unfair. Males aren't the only ones who have inclinations...
"This is a bit of an odd thread -- we've got joking posts mixed together with dead-serious posts......sometimes, it can be difficult to discern the difference."
That's why I clarified that I was teasing you. =)
Pfft, you wanna feel old, visit one of the gaming forums where a bunch of those little people we call teenagers hang out. D'oh! >_< (yes, I am an 'old female gamer' =P)
Lilybelles, beautiful work, love.
Lunaseas, wow, you've got some great stuff in your gallery. =)
-=LovePyrs=-

Awww.. I'm "only" 38, so I guess I can forget all about selling for the next 12 years :'( Hehe but I had the laugh of my life the other day, we were in the bank, changing the loan in our house to a longer one and hubby suddenly realized that he had to take into account when he was PENSIONED!! Boy did he look funny giggle And as he's 8 years older than me, I can gloat for some time still, reminding him of how OLD he is EG Ah well. I'm fat too so I can relate to dialyn's wish for more "natural" looking people. But that's also why I normally let my Vickies gain a little weight. And why I made Gertrude and Frank (the 2 on my previous picture) and Bertha too, she's in Free Stuff btw :o)

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Did you tell him that he was too young to be handing out tickets? Yeah I tried that. The little brat had a tantrum. Started stamping his feet, whining and wrote me up for 5 miles more than I actually was going. ROFL

Hmmm: I wonder if 38 is old... april 10th comming up. Also McDonalds is not a food, at least where I come from. Uh more like something a dalek might have dreamed up. I avoid McDonalds like the plague. Prob cause I'm a gym rat. I'll have to accept getting older. but I'm going kicking, and screaming all the way. By the way I like seeing naked vickys in temples. So I'm a sexest pig.... sue me. LOL And this from a gay guy. Tho come to think of it we could use some martian porn on here. The regular stuff you see on the web is so boring nowdays. I'll have to ask the local wal-mart to carry nude martians weekly. Brad.

"By the way I like seeing naked vickys in temples. So I'm a sexest pig.... sue me. LOL And this from a gay guy."

snickers

I like to see them too, and this is from a straight female! =D

"Yeah I tried that. The little brat had a tantrum. Started stamping his feet, whining and wrote me up for 5 miles more than I actually was going."

ROFLMFAO XD

-=LovePyrs=-

I was joking about the McDonalds.... I'm actually a gym rat/martial arts instructor. Needless to say... I can't remember the last time I ate fast food.... Unless you include Subway... their new Low Carb wraps are the bomb!

As in "gut bomb"?

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Yum Subway. They use to have these great bbq chicken subs. I'd get a couple foot long subs, and then later feel like a python who ate a water buffalo. Uh I use to have a fedish for hardee's boss burgers... but don't tell anyone. Brad.

I like subway. But I like Quizno's better.

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Slightly off topic... ookami, did you see the xtreme martial arts thing they had on the discovery channel a couple weeks ago it was really cool. Got to order the dvd of it when it comes out on there site. Something I wanted to go into when I was younger. Got a net friend in los angles who's into shotokan karate. However there does not seem to be enough hours in the day to work, sleep, workout, do poser stuff, get on here, etc I think I need to be cloned. Brad.

Nice to see that you think other artists legitimate concerns are a joke. I don't find it funny at all.

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Dear dialyn, I took your concerns into account in my last gallery image. Here it is : (for those who can be offended, beware, there is some nudity) I hope you will feel better now... ;)

Nice to see that you think other artists legitimate concerns are a joke. I don't find it funny at all. How does one define "legitimate"? In their own mind, each person believes that their particular concerns are "legitimate". However, everyone needs a sense of humor. I'll be laughing as I make my next purchase from the marketplace.

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LOL - dialyn I love you because you are so brillant. I don't think the problems in the forum lately are due to lack of representation, but the idea some things could violate TOS, but others weren't depending upon the genders of the couple depicted. BTW, the concerns you mentioned about age and attractiveness are certainly great issues. I think that a lot of artist and hobbyists revert to the same type of pinup because of habit. If you want people to do something different, then make it worth their while. If there were contests and challenges for images of the diabled, or the middle-aged, the elderly, male/male duos, the overweight, etc then maybe members would be inspired to make more non-traditional images.

Well, I'm laughing with dialyn, and while I don't think she's trying to minimise the topic of yesterday's post, I'd still like to make a serious point on this topic. I'm absolutely not politically correct. I think it's a false value imposed by politicians as a substitute for tolerance. I AM a tolerant person. I don't give a hoot whether you're hetero, gay, black, white or have enough -isms to found your own psychiatric clinic. As long as you don't shit on me, I could care less. I've always felt that the internet is one of the most democratic (in the true sense of the word) places we humans have invented. Why? Because we're all anonymous and nobody cares who you are, where you come from or what you look like. All that matters is what you say and what you do. You're judged by your words and actions, not by some ingrained visual and social set of standards that we all involuntarily use in daily life. You're gay? Handicapped? A midget? What the hell do I care? Can you help me with my problem? Do you have the product I need? Are you a nice person online? These are the only things I care about. But why can't we apply these internet standards to our way of looking at images? So, there's a gay couple in an image? Shock! Horror! I mean, come on..... Did no one here know that gays exist? What's the point in conforming to some mythical set of Disney-type American family values? This is the exact opposite of the values we instinctively learn on the net. Things like tolerance and taking people at face value. Judging them by what they say and do, not who they are or what they do in their private lives. Didn't we learn anything from the Salem Witch Trials, Hitler or McCarthyism? I had a good hearty laugh at dialyn's post. And I would imagine that she's poking fun more at our ridiculous political posturings, rather than yesterday's post. Certainly nothing wrong with that. But I think we should all have a good long think about what kind of internet society we have here. It's open and tolerant by default. Let's try and keep it that way. mac

Oh.... looking through the galleries I came to the conclusion that I'm offended by the lack of aardvark renders. I think aardvarks everywhere should boycott the site since there are no renders of them. Come to think of it... when was the last time I saw a render of a three-toed sloth?!

Like you papabluemarlin, I do not consider myself (it would be pretty obvious after a couple minutes of conversation) to be PC. I probably would have found dailyn's post amusing had it not been made by an OFFICIAL FORUM COODINATOR. My biggest beef is that here we have a representative of a company whose clientell have some genuine and honest (and in my opinion legitimate) concerns regards the ethical practices in the application of the various TOS. Rather than atempting to diffuse the situation and actually address the issue (or direct someone who CAN) she chose to demean and belittle the customer who through his/her patronage makes her position exist. That has got to be the most pisspoor example of customer service and decent respect that Renderosity has become infamous for. You may say that it is not in response to the last couple of days threads, but in my opinion the timing and phrasing indicate that is EXACTLY what it is.

I actually was poking fun at myself for riding my high horse to death. I was not trying to minimize the importance of the issues to any individual or group, but rather giving myself a reality check. I didn't expect everyone to find it funny...actually I'm rather amazed at how many bothered to read it. Thank you all for your time, whether or not you found humor in it. And I found much to think about. Which is a good thing. :)

I resigned as a coordinator awhile ago. I represent no one's views but my own.

You may say that it is not in response to the last couple of days threads, but in my opinion the timing and phrasing indicate that is EXACTLY what it is. A-HA! We have scented THE ENEMY! That has got to be the most pisspoor example of customer service and decent respect that Renderosity has become infamous for. I'm perfectly happy with the customer service that I've received here.

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dialyn you wrote: 'I'm also overweight and, an an overweight person, I resent the fact that the predominance of pictures on the gallery show thin people...' Please take a look on my gallery: 1.Fat Lady 1 2. .Fat Lady 2 2. .Fat Lady 2 3. 2. .Fat Lady 3 I hope you'll enjoy!

I suggest that you all read post #31 above. Dialyn stated her position beautifully and I have the utmost respect for her. We all choose to be here so I guess if we don't like something we can also choose to leave.

My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!

bonbonish...I do! Your imagination soars. Thank you. :)

Those are great images BB...love your imagination!

My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!

Thanks dialyn, and I am so happy that you enjoyed my fat ladies :)...

Thanks rockets, and once again I am so happy that you also like my works :).

Well, I am a 43-year old overweight, plain-lookin redhead who loves to see nekkid Mikes in the galleries, LOL! But I have to admit, my favorite Mike character (next to Raven) is the Celtic Warrior over at RDNA... elderlie, overweight and blind on one eye. ;-)

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well, usually I agree with your posts Dialyn, and have often admired your way of putting a positive spin on an otherwise awkward situation. I would like to think that that's what you are doing here in your own unique style... however, for me, this post actually left me feeling a little used and angry. I guess my contention boils down to the fact that images and posts about overweight and/or elderly folks simply do not, and never have, run the risk of being moderated or worse yet deleted.

The proof is in the pudding. Of late there HAS been a rash of heavy handed moderation/deletion of M/M relationship based imagery or posts. Its unfortunate - but its happened, and it is good that it is an awareness issue. Pardon me for saying this - but on one level, you seem to be getting quite a laugh off of all us poor fggts or something. =/

Then, seeing folks that voice their concern about being the laughing stock being told to get a sense of humor is a nice one/two combo to boot. sigh

But, I'm not going to let it get to me. I've decided a long time ago that my world is big enough even for the bigots that are in it to live here to.

I suspect, and I could try it if you like, if I showed two fat people or two old people, or a fat and an old person, in close contact with each other where they were both naked and reaching for each other's genitals (or their own) that the graphics would also be deleted. I have seen graphics deleted with two people in it, and with one person in it, and certainly with women in it, and it was for the same general reason. This whole notion that it is only male/male sex that is being excluded is simply not true. But what did truth have to do with proving a point? I learned a long time ago, people choose to see what they see because we all view the world from the filter of our perceptions and misconceptions. You will believe what you want to believe. So be it.

And, no, I've changed my mind. I won't do a graphic just to please someone else or prove something to someone else. It has never been my way and I won't start now.

dialyn - you made me laugh....thank you.

Oh, Sharen. I needed you to come by just then. Hugs to you.

I agree with dialyn. As with any other media, film tv, image is everything. All you see mostly is "beautiful people" (don't know about the personality though) Vanity rules. We are teaching this generation, unless you are "beautiful", then you are a nobody. I would for one would like to see some real people, instead of those unatainable, fairy floss, artifical people portrayed in poser characters. I don't have a problem of "beauty" and "beautiful bodies", but fair suck of the pineapple, lets make it a balance!

I would for one would like to see some real people, instead of those unatainable, fairy floss, artifical people portrayed in poser characters.

Emphasis on the word "real".

Are beautiful people "real"? I think so.

A beautiful person (this holds especially true for women) is born into this unfair life with an inborn advantage. Just like someone else born with a high IQ, or a natural artistic talent, or great athletic ability -- these people have "unfair" advantages granted to them from the start.

Likewise, attractive people carry certain advantages. Admittedly, this discrepancy does not apply to men nearly as powerfully as it does to women.

Life just isn't fair. And all attempts to make life fair - e.g. - Marxism - have been horrible failures.

If one can sell "ordinary" people in art - best success.

Why do all of the news anchors on cable TV these days resemble various incarnations of Victoria and Michael? Or Barbie and Ken? Simple -- because the network execs KNOW WHAT SELLS.

Likewise, the RR marketplace is filled with beautiful Victorias BECAUSE THEY SELL. People want to look at pleasing things. And beauty is pleasing.

I use "ordinary" looking people in my rendering. But, without the EMPHASIS on beauty in an image -- viewership WILL go down. It's a rule.

As a photographer, I know that two elements will draw attention to an image - extreme beauty, or extreme ugliness. Light or Darkness. Burning hope or ultimate despair. The extremes.

Pictures of beauty (i.e. Playboy) draw attention. Pictures of horror (i.e. gore) likewise draw attention. Why? Because they titillate. They tickle the imagination. They feed the fantasy. And that's what people want.

Ordinary? Everyone gets enough of that in real life.

As all marketplace merchants know - you'll have a hard time selling ordinary.

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I once saw two elderly people on the bus. They held hands and leaned toward each other in perfect harmony. Their faces were lined, and there was nothing stylish about their dress. But they were beautiful. And they were ordinary. And they were extraordinary. We miss a lot if we only look at what the media pushes at us. We miss that what is beauty is not always in the skin.

That's one of the problems with human beings. We cannot see the soul. So, we admire the package.

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I thought that was what art was for....to show what we normally don't see for ourselves. Is art just for imitiating reality cell by cell, imitating expectations, or for revealing that we haven't seen everything and don't know all that we think we know? Guess that would be a discussion for the Art Theory forum. ;)

The reason I make images of pretty people, fairies and children is because it's fun...I enjoy it more than making images of ordinary people doing ordinary things. I also think that maybe if the people here who would like to see more of this or that would make a habit of going to the galleries and commenting on the "ordinary" people images then maybe more people would try their hands at something a little different. Today I posted an image of a granny type person (granted she wasn't very ordinary) and only a couple of people from this thread saw it or bothered to comment on it. No, I do not make images just for the approval of others, but it's always nice to get feedback on my work.

My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!

Yes, we are drifting off-topic here. But that's fine with me. I'll ask this: gallery images, what is the purpose? Is it to sell something, or to tell something? Or both? I think that selling is a perfectly legitimate activity. Selling makes sites like Renderosity possible. If you want to sell, then you give people what they want. Like beautiful Victorias. If you want to prove a point ("tell" something), then you had best be ready for the counter-fire. If you want to show "ordinary", then you will get an "ordinary" reaction. Most likely: Z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z.......... And that's fine. If that's what one desires to do.

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"Pardon me for saying this - but on one level, you seem to be getting quite a laugh off of all us poor fggts or something. =/" WTF? Um, whatever... "Well, I am a 43-year old overweight, plain-lookin redhead who loves to see nekkid Mikes in the galleries, LOL! But I have to admit, my favorite Mike character (next to Raven) is the Celtic Warrior over at RDNA... elderlie, overweight and blind on one eye. ;-)" Let me tell you, nothing is sexier than older men, IMO. Just look at Mr. Connery. =D Yummy... Oooo, Rockets, I shall go take a gander right now! -=LovePyrs=-

I have to go now but I have to say, I have loved what you all created on this thread. I appreciate it very much. I don't agree with everything that was posted, but I have respect for you. Take care all. I'm off to catch a bus. And see what there is to see there. :)

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=436134&Start=1&Artist=Lunaseas&ByArtist=Yes

Very cool BB , reminds me of my own fat faerie based off of me:) I'm very glad Dialyn posted this, I get to see some images that would have ordinarily been lost in Render' land.

I remember seeing a picture once that I liked. It was of a plain looking woman. Some might even say she was homely. She wasn't nude. In fact she was fully dressed in layers of dark clothes. No giant perky breasts either. In fact fairly small breasts. She was kind of stocky too. But it was a real nice image. Let's see... what was her name? Ummm... Lisa. Yeah, that's it. Mona Lisa.

Well, face it, if you have a male/male picture in which they're nude and facing each other in an embrace, the picture goes against the TOS because their "junk" is touching. But then, wasnt it just last year that we had a picture deleted because the mod thought that a scene of two guys in the tub, where one man's "junk" was possibly touching the other's butt, constituted a sexual situation?

I would agree that people prefer beauty to ordinary and people also like horror etc because it titillates them. Yes life can be ordinary and boring and we like our senses stimulated by something different that appeals to us. I like fantasy as much as the next person. But I have trouble with the chronic imbalance there is in art and in life. One has to recognise the diversity and complexity of the human condition and how our reasoning or the lack of it causes us to act and behave the way we do.

Not enough pictures about Mars ? I put one up just last week in the Humor section titled "Mission To Mars"... ...and the Martians are coming to blow our beloved planet to smithereens ! (LOL)

Hmmmmm....seems this thread has gone on longer than the previous one. Shouldn't the PTB be locking it down soon???? Oh! My bad! These are the people the PTB agree with....how could I have been so stupid?

Hmmmmm....seems this thread has gone on longer than the previous one. Shouldn't the PTB be locking it down soon???? Oh! My bad! These are the people the PTB agree with....how could I have been so stupid? Calm comes with the night...... It is possible to disagree without screaming. And it is also possible to define a contrarian opinion without making wild accusations, questioning people's motives (people that one DOES NOT know), and engaging in name calling. In other words - debate is fine. Yelling in other people's faces is not. Once one begins to yell, then "debating" is no longer what one is doing.

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Turtle, you do realize this is satire, don't you? Yes and I was trying to be funny too. Sometimes my human is not understood. Good mornings.

Love is Grandchildren.

Turtle, you do realize this is satire, don't you? Humans are parodies of themselves.

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Just so's I don't feel left out.. ~lmao~ http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=491006&Start=19&Artist=slinger&ByArtist=Yes http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=485562&Start=19&Artist=slinger&ByArtist=Yes http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=484783&Start=37&Artist=slinger&ByArtist=Yes http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=480900&Start=37&Artist=slinger&ByArtist=Yes http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=478065&Start=37&Artist=slinger&ByArtist=Yes NUDITY

The liver is evil - It must be punished.

:D Thank you!!

Those are great looking characters slinger...hats off to you. :-)

My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!

Slinger, those rock! Seriously. Especially "Still Waiting." Thank you very much for sharing those. =) -=LovePyrs=-

Thanks ~s~ They were part of a series I started, trying to avoid the Poser "nviatwas" stereotype. ;)

The liver is evil - It must be punished.

Anytime you want to do a tutorial on how to do older characters, I'll be first in line to sign up. :)

Well, there's no big secret dialyn. The first thing you need is Daz's "elegantly aged" texture. That takes care of the face, then it's all down to lighting and not being afraid to do nasty things to the body. ~lol~ Actually, craving your indulgance a moment, I even used that texture on this... http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=539829&Start=19&Artist=slinger&ByArtist=Yes I think it's my favourite "general" texture of all time.

The liver is evil - It must be punished.

"Elegantly aged" is part of the Starlet package, no? Anton prompted me to buy that one on another thread awhile ago but I have to admit I've been lapsed in actually using it. Though I think the secret is talent. :) That's one of the ingredients necessary to differentiate between what everybody could do and one one person does. Well done. You ended this thread for me tonight on a high note.

Yup, that's where it comes from, and Anton gives good advice. ...and if the secret was talent, I'd be rich. ~lmao~ G'night to you.

The liver is evil - It must be punished.

Humph!!! I guess I am older than dirt!! :(

Would you belive she packed all that bulk into pink latex?

Why shouldn't speech be free? Very little of it is worth anything.

Freedom of tastes?

Being over 50 I understand the age thing with images. I've noticed for along time that if a image doesn't have some young good looking woman or a well built man with armor of some kind in it somewhere. The hits are getting scarce. Here's on I made awhile back dialyn, would like to see a few more with average people in scenes. Just my personal pref. http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=397881&Start=1&Artist=Schurby&ByArtist=Yes

Schurby

 

"We are teaching this generation, unless you are "beautiful", then you are a nobody." Not at all, what they are learning is obvious and has been true for as long as an entertainment profession existed... If your not exceptional then don;t expect lots of peopel to want to see you. I see regular peopel every day of my life, I am surrounded by them (as is everyone else)... I can't for the life of me imagine why anyone is surprised that it is the extraordinary people ( looks, talent, both ) who become celebrities. How about this - your ender what you want, and so will everyone else. It is stunnign to me that peopel seem to feel they have the right to dictate or complain about what OTHER PEOPLE do with their time, hardware and talent. You want to render the plain people - go for it. When I choose to render what I find interesting (beauty, sexyness, high tech) you are welcome to ignore it.

soulhuntre -- Well stated. People like what they like. It's just so terribly unfair!

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We dont care if your a fat old witch! Stop trying to make policy here this site is privatly owned by Edgenet, It is not a democracy.

And here I was, thinking BONDWARE owned this site. DarkMatter_ some of us DO care about each other.

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LMAO I love how you deleted your earlier post DM to make one that was more nasty and "controversial." And what the hell is "Edgenet?"

Thank you for sharing your insightful and intelligent comments, DarkMatter....it is always a pleasure to have someone like you to add class to a discussion. ernyoka1 and LovePyrs, thank you for your calming and good humored presence. I'm off this thread now. I know it's rude to leave a party I started but, under the circumstances, it seems the wisest course. Remember, don't feed the trolls if you decide to linger. And, if you need to find me, I'm going to be at the "welcome back" party for Dr. Geep when he returns to us.