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Wonderful, the ONE thing that always escapes my tiny brain, and I got to get front row seat too! :O)

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Twenty years of newspaper photojournalism and I can always use a refresher. Got my seat, now doc, where's the shutter buton on this Poser thing? Pleasure to be here! -jay

I'm here, I'm here!!!! :)

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10th in so plenty of seats left - ready and willing to learn!!

oh yes.. taking a seat..

I'm here, too!!! :-)

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Old journalists never die...they just go into reprint and syndication. As an old journalist, I'm thrilled to see the good Doctor return. Hail and well met, O Knowledge Filled One!

C'mon baby, LIGHT my fire. Or more appropriately, my Poser model actually.

Here Here

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Present. Thanks Dr Geep =)

i started seriously poser since less than a year, and i was overwhelmed by already made "classes" from dr geep... this guy teached faster than i could learn. if there are second chance classes for previously absent or slow students, count me in...

Took me forever to get them to run a CCTV line and monitor in here. Still to high to reach, but I guess they feel I should make some compromises, at least... Do you think I should have gone after a fourth orderly, or was the three enough? ynsaen

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Woopee!......I finally found you. Thank you for being you teach, and for being here. 8) Catlin

WHOA! (Sorry Keanu!) Did I fall into a time warp here or ... it must be true! Yayyyyy!!!

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Thanks Dr. Geep. I have been working hard on lighting, and especially shadows. I'm still pretty hit or miss. THanks!

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Oh YIPPPIEEEEEEeeeee:) OOps I just disturb the entire class....sorry Doc! (Blushes)

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Welcome back :) considering you're on lighting here, please check the link.. very interesting and perhaps this could be incorporated into the tut at some point..as in, what happens to shadows???

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Welcome back Doc. Sorry I'm late but I had to work today but I'm here now.

Lighting seems to be one of the most important things in getting a good render. (sitting down and shutting up)

Ah yes, Poser's lights, one of my favorite things about Poser, and for some reason, one of the aspects of the app that many people hate. Looking forward to your tute on the subject, "teach!"

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Hey, LawnDart...save me a seat! Welcome back!

Ohh, Ohh!!does her best sweathog impression I'm here...finally! Did I miss anything?

Darn, stuck in the back of the room again!! Oh well, get out the binoculars!! :D

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sneaking in and taking a back seat..... hey Doc! Can you speak up a little?

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Had hoped to sit next to a pretty coed, but the hall's pretty full - guess I'll stand here in back!

I'm here. Good to see you back Doc.

I have to go to work now, so save me a seat.......I will be back in the morning. (:

Happy

here!!!

Waving from the usually quiet back row.

And here I am.

WOOT! I like most would sit quietly in your classes (kinda auditing them) and not said a word...but did many notes and screen captures for future references. I even made Quark docs with your images. Till I found the site that had them already. hehe So...What's up DOC! (pulls out note book and starts to doodle till the doc turns around and starts the class) ;)

now here's a subject you can really shed some light on :-) shadownet, the text/background contrast on your pic is real bad on my monitor, low contrast and 'fringe benifets'

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Let's see... bagels, check! magic markers in red blue and green, check! sense of humor, paisley! I'm ready.

also here, with one request..... please,never clean the chalkboard again...

here. late as usual. Can almost set your watches by me guys. I'll always be late probably even to my own funeral LOL dave

Blushing new student, of course showing up late, but I made it...My first class with the good Dr Geep. Grabs a seat and nibbles on her pen. ~Lady~

This page is a special for Dave-So.

I hope it explains the cause of your shadow problem.

If there are ever any questions, please feel free to ask.

If you do not want to "appear" stupid by posting the question here, please send me an IM or email

geep@cybertrails.com

and I will be glad to try and answer any and all questions.

Remember ...

There is no such thing as stupid questions, only stupid answers.*
*Doc is real good at giving them.

Remember this, also ...

"We're all ignorant, 'cept on different subjects."

• Will Rogers

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Oh, and no gum chewing in my class ...
(but if ya do, please don't park it under the chairs)
(that stuff is murder to clean off)

cheers,
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;=]

*note to self - get a bigger classroom
Thank you Lord!

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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Duh, me bad. I couldn't duplicate his "mistake" because I didn't set my lights to the same colours as his. And me bad for forgetting Art Class lesson number one about mixing of colours.

Look at these students with their faces all lit up!

Before they made me they broke the mold!
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I hope this is the full lesson and not just the lite version!

Before they made me they broke the mold!
http://home.roadrunner.com/~kflach/

So....if I put the gum under the desk, that's okay since you said not under the chair! ;-)

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Late, but there!

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Oooooh Yes!! Dr GEEP is here!!!

I'm here and I brought a shiny red apple for the teach. I even scraped that annoying sticker off of it. :)

Hmm... all seats taken. sits on the floor

sneaks in late

:o) :] Fish

Hmmm... so a global lighting setup with 37-odd lights* and a nice bright spot light for the sun might not throw a shadow if the sum of all those lights is too high? For areas with less pollution, thinner air, or a point light** source (such as Mars) we can fake harsher lighting by raising the size of the shadowmap... but what if we want diffuse lighting without jaggies (underwater shadows)? Carolly *I chose 37 because it was an odd number. **The sun is a disk from Earth and a point from Mars.

Me here :}

"I like my species the way it is."

So am I! this is gonna be really useful.. thanks. :)

taking notes, thanks for sharing with us all Doc ~Lady~

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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Coulda swore I posted on this lesson already.. Sigh.. sorry I'm late, but I have a note from my Mom!

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

Yo, just made it!

BM

Awfully late I am (but coming all the way from France).

now this i need to know

Interesting - thank you!

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cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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I don't feel very bright. I never noticed that little "intensity" button before. Thank's for enlightening me!

Hi Di, The intensity button on the light controls only allows you to set the intensity from 2% to 100%. The parameter dial allows setting from 0% to 10,000,000% ... well, maybe not quite that high, but there are times when you may want to use more than 100%. We will get to that later. cheers, dr geep ;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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Taking notes. :)

~Laughs~ Thank you for this page Doc! Even if I use P5, this was needed by me. Tried to figure some of this out last night/this morning. Got tired about 6 this morning and went to bed! ;) NOW, you show me what all those thingamajibs are for! ;) Have printed and will retry this.
THANK YOU!

Looking forward to getting some illumination on this subject... (groan)

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Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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Sorry if I'm a little late

I did it, 2 lights, one shadow! Thanks Dr Geep! :D

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I'm also a little late today, but I'm glad I made it! (takes his notebook out...)

"That's another fine mess you got me in to!" -- Oliver Hardy

Hey Porthos, That looks real good! cheers, dr geep ;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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Wow, this is some of the most interesting and useful info yet in a geep-tute, for this Poser Poseur's purposes, anyway. Thanks so much, Doc!

Aw man! you miss one day off work and look how far behind you get. Waves hand far in the back and squints to see. Hey teach i'm here

Late as usual.... .....pulling up a chair from the back. ;0)

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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Hope he's wearing dark glasses or he'll go blind! ;O)

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No problem .... the eyeballs (body parts) were removed B4 this experiment was done. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooo............... (boo!) Better label this one violent. ;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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I have a silly question, sorry. It's about the globe the lights sit on in the Poser window. I've never been quite sure which way is up with it, and it confuses me 'cos up till now I've only tried to move them by dragging. Can you tell me which is up, down and sideways? Thanks 8) Catlin

a few questions: about the fact that shadows will not show up when the total of intensity/light on an area is above the maximum, then how could i use for example one global illumination set (to ehance textures of the characters) and yet having at least a single shadow ? other question: regarding skin textures and such, what advices/colors/settings basics could you recommend to boost them a bit, and make them a bit more realistic. I once ested the same picture with poser default settings, then with some light set and it was night adn day about lights: what differencs/limits between spots and infinite, aside from parenting ?, i mean what is recommender for what kind of use. What shoudl i prefer ? question: what/why are the lights leaving sometimes a "shadow camera" in he camera list, and what the point ? About intensity: what is the point / when it can be useful to raise it above 100% have other questions, but need to put them into words.. yes i am a pestful student i know. I often enraged my teachers because asking too many questions... thanx

Too many questions??? HAH! Doc Geep just luuuuuzzzze questions. Ask all ya want ... can't guarantee a rational answer though. (just kidding ... I'll do my best.) ************************** Catlin, The answer to your question is coming up shortly. In the meantime, look at and study Page 1. The large model has Poser's GROUND (the flat square shown semi-transparent) and the light controls (upper right corner) show the corresponding Light Controls with the same camera angle used for both. I hope that does not just generate more questions ... ... um, nevermind, strike that. I hope that causes you to have more questions ... because that keeps the ole Doc employed ... and the pay is so good that I may never want to leave. cheers, dr geep ;=]

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Riddokun, I will try to cover all the questions that you asked on the upcoming pages. They are good questions. When I get done, let's see if I have covered them all. Ok? cheers, dr geep ;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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On looking at the image again I think I've got it. The centre of the globe will be directly above the ground, yes? 8) Catlin

This page was done especially for **catlin_mc**. Does it answer your question(s)? cheers, dr geep ;=] P.S. He risked life and limb (see Figure 6) to do this experiment and he hopes his effort is appreciated.

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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The center of the globe (e.g., the Light Controls "Sphere") in in the center of the Poser Studio. Ok? ;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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I'm not catlin, but yes, it is appreciated. That answers a couple of mine. :) Thanks Doc!

Yup, thanks Doc that's exactly the medicine I needed. 8)

just the part I needed too...Thanks!

And thank you for dancing on the ceiling for me, I do admire a man of courage. 8) BTW, I've just realized something else, every time you change the camera view it changes the perspective of where the light is. Now I really feel silly, that was something else I couldn't get a grip on......DOH! 8) Catlin

No need to "feel silly." We've probably all been "there" at one time or another. Some folk just won't admit it. ;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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I THINK it may have made a little bulb go off over my head too now. That was one of the things I simply couldn't grasp about Poser's lights. I THINK I got it now :o) Thanks!

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Thanks Doc for the info. You are most informative :-) ~Lady~

Page 5 - Outside Lighting: The tip with the 2nd light is great. Exactly what I needed. But now I also have a 2nd specular highlight (see image). Disturbing when ex. rendering eyes. Doc, is there a possibility to avoid this?

Hi bip,

Sure, ........ it's called ....... postwork. ;=]

Seriously, I don't know of any (simple, at least) way to avoid this since there is only one place ...
(on the ball <--- Ooo, that's "catchy," I'll haver to try doing that ..... sometime, being on-the-ball, that is)
... that you can specify the highlight and that's for the ball.

If it was specified with the light, you could control it.

Maybe in Poser5, I don't know ........... yet.

Does anyone else out there in the "Sity" have an answer to bip's question.

It's a big Sity out there and maybe, just maybe, some one will know.

Sorry I can't help you on this one. ;=[

cheers, (anyway)
dr geep
;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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Postwork... hmmm... I was afraid you would say that... Thanks and - yes, cheers!!!

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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Hey Riddokun, "About intensity: what is the point / when it can be useful to raise it above 100%" Does Page 8 answer your question about light intensity? cheers, dr geep ;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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Ah yes, spots, the bane of my existance in portrait artwork! Welcome back Dr Geep! Sorry I'm so late, I'll go sit in the corner now!! Pendy

If you Control-click [Macintosh] or Alt-click [PC - although this is a guess because I don't have a PC] the light color dot (see Dr. Geeps Page 4 post) you get a dialog box allowing you to enter the light color numerically. It's pretty handy if you want a specific color - for example to match the colors of two lights. I believe you can also create dark grey or even black colored lights if you want to darken part of the image. Sometimes you might do this with a spotlight to help control your lighting.

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Okay, I'm a little slow Doc in learning. Is it better to move the camera or the light? I've printed out all the tuts here, am still working on them, but I'm back on page 5! I'm still trying to get that shadow like you have it. :(

I know I'm doing something wrong, but 'lightbulb' (bad pun) hasn't clicked on for me yet. Not giving up though!! Too hard to try and compensate for it in postwork.

I will go through some specific examples after I get done with the basics. We will get that 'lightbulb' to come on, I promise. (and that was a GOOD pun ... you shouldn't be PUNished for it) cheers, dr geep ;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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In the meantime, try this ... Put your favorite figure in the center of the studio. Use a single Infinite Light. Position your camera where you want it. Now, use the Light Controls and put the single light right in the middle of the Light Control's "Sphere". Now, change the light type to Spotlight and your spotlight will be pointing directly at your figure. Play with the parameters for the spotlight one-at-a-time and see what effect it has on your figure. What happens when you increase "Angle Start"? What happens when you increase "Angle End"? Do not try and do lighting for a real complex scene to start. Use one figure and no props. Find out how to control the light so it does what you want. Keep it as simple as possible to start. Ok? I'll be back. (gosh, now I'm startin ta sound like the terminator.) ;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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Illuminating as always Dr. Looking forward to more of this here light stuff. I have a thought on Bip77 's question, but I am not sure if I understood the question right. My understanding is we want to light our scene so it is like a daylight scene, but we want to eliminate that second highlight showing up on the ball. If that is correct, here is a render I did that may hold a solution.

Ok, ok, shadownet, drop the other shoe, will ya? May I have the envelope, please ... (drum roll heard in the background) ... And, the winner is ... ????????????????????????/ ;=?

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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I would like to see your render with a color other than black for the ball and with a texture applied to the ball. Can we do that? ;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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Heya, nothing earth shattering but I wanted to make sure I had understood the question right before I opened my big yap and said what I did was the solution. Anyhow, here is the ball with a texture. All I did was - using the light pin thingies - line the second light up with the first and then turn the intensity setting down. In this way I kept the general lighting of my scene the same as when the light was hitting it from the front, but it caused the highlights to overlap. Again, not sure if that qualifies as a solution or not.

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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Ah! Hangs head and shame, gives sigh of defeat and returns to seat.

Kan't win 'em all, ya know. Nice try though, you had me guessing ... for a minute or so. ;=] Thanks for the input. cheers, dr geep ;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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Yeah, well maybe next time. Helps when you understand the question. That's always been my problem thought. I can get the answers right, its the questions I miss. :O)

about the too many specular highlights on the globe surface: (bip77) I thought (may i am be wrong) that, aside from removing the guidelins of spot/lights from main display windows, unchecking the "visible" option box of alight would prevent it's highlight/specular to render on a surface. BTW it you are rendering eyes, the better thing to do is to REMOVE the highlights at all first for your render, then make a second render with only one spotlighty of the same direction than your previous main light and avtivate again the highlights on the eye, and cut/past the eyes on your old picture or something like that. Better way is to make instead a reflection map with only a small highlight part, and not using material highlight color at all. most eyes props feature a second outer sphere bigger than the one holding irises/pupils/eyewhites materials that you can set in material room to have reflexions and highlights of your choice. of course you could also texture this outer sphere with a bogus fake highlight texture with all non white parts transparents, shown above regular iris... hope it helps you, bip77 If you foreplann well you may not need postwork at all. merely a cutpasting of previous eyes. You can also turn all your document/scene to silouhette texture, with same color for items and background, and set eyeprops element style to textured r flat, with highlights ! and layer this on top of your picture. I don't call it postwork. anyway highlights and reflections are not very easy to handle and often gives out a poo result if you want to stick to raw render and postworkless pictures (some sites requires it as a challenge to post pictures); in this case, the thing i recommended (bogus drawn fake highlight texure, transparent, on second outter sphere of eye prop) should work) for other things than eyes, though i guess doc is right, it will be difficult (unless the "visible" checkbox really works the way i think)

Hi shadownet, thanks for your answer. In theory your idea could work if you put the second light exact the opposite (behind) the ball - so then the second highlight would never be visible and the ball would be lit from both sides without shadows. But the poser 'infinite' lights are not really infinite. I've made a test and it doesn't work. :-( Thanks anyway!

btw also, when you "need" to illuminate dark areas or figures without putting much light, thing about "ambiant color", it works well (but on a odd way depending on what you use it for), maybe with additionnal material set up with groupingtool ?

Hi Riddokun, thanks for your tips! Much appreciated! Will try them out. (Must first understand it all ;-) ) I've also tested the visibility checkbox - unfortunately it didn't make a difference. (What it this checkbox good for?)

Bip77, well I gave it another shot using four extra lights, instead of just the one from the front, with the color set to grey and intensity cranked down to 15. I lined them up so that the highlights on the ball was sort of dispersed across the face of the ball, and then rendered. The hightlight is there but so faint it may get by. You still get specular highlights but so faintly that it is hard to tell. Maybe with a few more lights added this way you could raise the illumination to the point desired without increasing the highlighting on the ball.

hmm sorry bip, englihs is not my main langage, and i have hard time practicing it on such technical matters and i am not very at east with poser technical words yet :)

Shadownet, it really depends on the scene... Maybe I need 10 or 20 or more lights. As these lights do all cast no shadows, it shouldn't raise the rendertime. Certainly a good advice! Thanks again. :) (But the Doc's 'Two-Light-System' sounded sooo good...! - And in general it IS!)

Riddokun, your words were fine - but english also isn't my native english, so.... :) (Hope, the teacher doesn't get angry about so much chat in class! )

[EDIT] should read: 'my native language'

Yeah, we are sort of getting off topic. But then the good Dr. needed a coffee break just so his students could show him why they need him so badly.

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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hmm and if you parent the spot AFTER morphing/scaling the box, does it still works same way ?

That is what we did on Page 9 ... and it caused the problem. Ok? ;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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The reason is ... The child is scaled to be the same scale as the parent. It does not matter if you scale the box before or after parenting the Spotlight. The problem will still exist. If you change the scale of the parent, the child's scale will change, also. When we "parent" the Spotlight to the box, i.e., the New Prop ... The Spotlight becomes the child of the box. - and - The box becomes the parent of the Spotlight. ********************* Now, are you thoroughly confused? I know I am. cheers, dr geep ;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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hmm. you say the child suffers from size changes of the parent, so i guess ou cannot change manually the size of the child back to something you like. Would a parent be affected by the size of its child ? or the dials would remain blocked or effectless (such as "BODY" dials of a conformed figure) ?

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

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Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

edited 10/5/2019

Hi Folks, This tutorial is continued HERE. It is called: "+++ DG#060 +++ Fine Tuning Spotlights" Hope to see you there. cheers, dr geep ;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

edited 10/5/2019