Attention all Poser forum members.

Renderosity is going to start making a big effort to clean up the Poser forum.
In a effort to make this a better place, we will expect all members to follow the site rules.

Please review our TOS if you do not understand the site rules

Member/User Conduct:

Members and users are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that is constructive and respectful of others at all times. Additionally, we would hope that each member/user would do their best to facilitate a culture of collaboration and positive reinforcement, so that we can all share our passion for art while realizing our personal ambitions, and developing friendships.

Example of things that will be allowed in the Poser forum and Poser gallery

• Asking for help with any version of Poser
• Showing off what you made using Poser
• Asking for and giving advice about Poser
• Bottom line, anything to do with Poser

Example of things that will not be allowed in the Poser forum and Poser gallery

• Fighting
• Bickering
• Attacks
• Arguing
• Posting adverts
• Copyright issues (We have a forum for that)
• Anything that is not Poser related
• The list goes on, but you get the idea

Members/Users found practicing these behaviors receive:

• Deletion of the post/s.
• First event - warning by e-mail and/or IM
• Second event Forum Suspension for 1 or 7 days or Temporary Community ban for 3 or 7 days.
• Third event Membership revoked, and access to the community permanently blocked. This includes any duplicate accounts for the same person.

We have very clear site rules and we will expect all members to follow them

Again, here is the link to our site TOS

Thanks
Spike

You can't call it work if you love it... Zen Tambour

 

No arguments? How about mild disagreements? (Not trying to be facetious...just want to be clear.)

It would be great if a link could be provided when a thread is moved so those of us who didn't participate but were curious could find it. Maybe we also need a refresher on what alternatives there are (and there are a lot of them). A sampler:

• OT forum for those discussions or postings that are not related to anything else.
• Community Center for postings of interest to the general community (not just Poser)
• Art Theory for those what is art discussions
• The Virtual Tavern for hanging out with pals and having a good time while kicking back your favorite brew (coffee, of course, I mean coffee)
• The Contest forum for posting contests
• The Product Forum for previewing items up for sale as well as selling them
• 2D, Photoshop, or Paint Shop Pro forums for discussing topics related to that software

Seems like if we broke out of Poser once in awhile, we'd find some interesting spaces out there in Renderosity land.

How about a nudity forum where the need to remove offensive pictures would be debated against the artistic drive behind them ? Or a TOS contesting forum ? ;) BTW Spike (and seriously now), it seems that there is quite some revisiting of what is tolerated or not at Renderosity these days... (galleries, MP thumbnails and now forums). Is there any special reason ?

I'm curious about the "Showing off what you made in poser" issue. I thought that's what the galleries were for. I can underdtand posting a pic to get advice but even that is a gallery thing isn't it?

compiler I really like that idea alot and hope that the admins and mods take that into consideration.

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Commission Closed till 2025

"No sex, no drugs, no wine, no women No fun, no sin, no you, no wonder it's dark" Turning Japanese - The Vapors Regards- Lemurtek

"Third event Membership revoked, and access to the community permanently blocked. This includes any duplicate accounts for the same person." If you know who the duplicate accounts belong to, why are they (the duplicates) tolerated?

My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!

Some people have duplicate accounts for Anonyminity(sp)... such as Myself... I have 1 other acct only 3 ppl know its Me. Thomas

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Nancy Deer With Horns
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So if I post something like "WHEE I just had a new baby / dog / won the lottery", my post would be deleted and I'd get an e-mail warning??! And isn't this whole THREAD in jeopardy then? It is NOT POSER related. Poser FORUM related yes, but shouldn't it have been posted in the Forum News Forum, if the rules are going to be this strict? Also I thought duplicate accounts had become forbidden by the TOS? (Yes I have both this one and a TrekkieGrrrl one, mostly to AVOID confusion, not to MAKE it) Really I'm not trying to be a smartass, but I don't like the tone in this thread. I guess if someone disagrees too loudly with this, it's an "argument" too? Sorry... I just don't like this... Seems very... unfriendly to me :o(

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  Using Poser since 2002. Currently at Version 11.1 - Win 10.

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Jeez, I've made a big fat resolution not to whine BUT, we need a place to go to read everything. I can see why commercial stuff and knock-down-drag-out fights are frowned upon. The Poser Tech forum has always been for the more advanced poser users (in my mind) and this forum for a more lighthearted discussion of Poser and whatever else comes up while disussing it. When the amount of people gets larger, the amount of OT stuff is going to get larger. We want more people. And we want them to talk to each other. Communication is good. I sincerely hope this is a reminder in the nicest sense and we're not going to see people starting to be shunned one "event" at a time. I have seen people that have caused "problems" being extremely helpful before and even sometimes after a "bad day". When you have all languages and cultures represented the chance for misunderstandings increases. Stuff is going to happen. Please don't start hammering people until they have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are intentionally misbehaving. On the multiple screen names thing, I don't see a need for anyone to have multiple names. Sometimes you'd like to know just who it was that said "RTFM". Sometimes, you have to be told that. It would be nice to be able to laugh about it later. Also how can there be 200,000 members if people have more than one name? How many people really are here? Oh well, thanks for the warning spike. You have been of great help to me before and don't take anything I've said the wrong way. I beleive this forum is 99.9% a good thing. There is always going to be one in every crowd.

Oh la la!... Oh la la!...

"That's another fine mess you got me in to!" -- Oliver Hardy

Thrice said - think they're trying to make a point? ;)

Fighting
Bickering
Arguing

Disagreement does not constitute any of those, Jackson. ;) It's how you deal w/your disagreement that does.

Also - does this mean the Poser Python Scripting and Poser Technical forums will be took down? ??

goes off to pester smitthms' other pseudo.... G

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Hey Yuri! "Have you read the TOS today?" snicker

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

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If it isn't too argumentative of me, I'd like to know what the difference is between "discussion" and "argument." And if there's a way to find out short of a formal warning that gets you 1/3 of the way to a permanent ban...

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Jeez! With all due respect, Spike... and I MEAN that!!... Why not give us multiple-choice forms to fill out so we don't HAVE to argue? You can't expect thousands of hotheaded artists to agree on everything? And frankly, just about any other site survives without being this stifling!

L'ultima fòrza è nella morte.

Well, I don't wanna argue Lucy but my Webster's lists the below as a definition for 'argument:' 1.a. A discussion in which disagreement is expressed: DEBATE.

Arguing is heated, discussing is not. However, the word "argue" actually has two meanings. One is "to exchange opposing views in a heated manner"; the other is "to set out a reasoned case for something". Presumably Spike only intends meaning #1, but when you come down this heavily, one has to be wary.

I'd like to know the timeframe on this "three strikes, you're out" thing. I mean, I've been a member for a few years now... even if I only get warned once a year, am I going to be permanently banned after three years no matter what because I was last warned a year ago? Is the three warnings within a month, six months, a year? I mean, I go out of my way not to be argumentative sometimes, but sometimes I do call them as I see them. Am I going to have to tiptoe around every conversation now?

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Hopefully this is not "arguing"... but if we are discussing alternative places to post :) Cause I think it's gonna get pretty .... homogenous .. in here.

"Example of things that will not be allowed in the Poser forum and Poser gallery Posting adverts" I'd like to know how Renderosity proposes to go about enforcing this rule. It's pretty hard not to advertise when upon uploading we are urged to credit the creators and provide a link to the vendor's store, all courtesy of the Rosity software :) Or will it just be against the TOS for the creator herself/himself to post an image and credit her own product but all her friends can do it instead? Good luck!

Okay, real world example - if you're at work or in a public place and you disagree with a coworker/friend, do you: 1) (At least somewhat) calmly explain your point of view, or 2) Scream at them at the top of your lungs and call them every name in the book? Most places prefer that you choose option 1.

That's all they're asking for here.

Good: "You're wrong, here's why."

Bad: "Jane, you ignorant slut!" (2 points if you know where that quote came from.)

Cheers!

Crescent, if that's all they meant, they all they need to do is ban personal attacks. A very standard forum requirement. They don't need to ban "arguing and bickering."

Crescent: "Saturday Night Live", Dan Acroyd (sp?) to Jane Curtin. 2 points.

You forgot the nudity flag.

AHHH, NO NUDITY TAG MY EYES MY EYES!!!! What if we are arguing with ourselves?

Kalypso > Crediting an artist/merchant is one thing, & yes, encouraged. To make it simple, & only use Myself as an example, IF the above image is in the Poser Galleries or THIS Forum, & NOT the Product ShowCase... its a violation of the above. Hope that helps explain that part. Thomas Poser Coordinator

Are we allowed to be sarcastic? How about cynical? Will the beatings continue until morale improves? Just wondering. bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

"The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers." Princess Leia to Governor Tarkin, Star Wars IV Regards- Lemurtek

What if someone asks for a place to host something and I refer them to PlanIt3D.com, or we have a new article or interview that's Poser-related? Are those acceptable posts in the Poser forum or is that considered advertising? Or was the advertisement line referring to advertising products? I read the Poser forum at least once daily and I fail to see what the big issue is, for the most part everyone seems to behave as well as they can. A few posts have gotten a bit out of hand but are usually locked or deleted PDQ by the fine Poser forum staff. Considering the percentage of posts that amounts to in this forum I'd say it goes pretty smooth here. I'm just trying to figure out what the catalyst was for this "crackdown". Thanks in advance for your reply.

"People simply disappeared, always during the night. Your name was removed from the registers, every record of everything you had ever done was wiped out, your one-time existence was denied and then forgotten. You were abolished, annhilated: vaporized was the usual word." "Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? Has it ever occurred to your, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?The whole climate of thought will be different. In fact, there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinkingnot needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness." Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make fore. If that is granted, all else follows --1984

"The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers." Princess Leia to Governor Tarkin, Star Wars IV Okay, that's just spooky. That was my FIRST reaction when I read this thread. I didn't post it, but I definitely thought it. Thing is, I think that implying that Renderosity is an evil empire is probably a violation of the TOS... And they are disturbed by our lack of faith... bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

Ben Dover : You said : What if someone asks for a place to host something and I refer them to PlanIt3D.com, or we have a new article or interview that's Poser-related? Are those acceptable posts in the Poser forum or is that considered advertising? My reply : Personally, I'll have no issues with either, I think Spike meant like in My above example, using Myself as the target. Altho, He will have to clarify that. I apologize for not being of more help. Thomas Poser Coordinator

Oh give it a rest guys. You all sound like Bart Simpson at Sunday School. "If a squirrel is run over does it go to heaven?" "If the squirrel had an evil thought just before it dies does it go to heaven". "If the squirrel is related to an evil squirrel but never talks to the evil squirrel does it go to heaven." They stated the rules. Just work with it. Stop bickering and posting non-poser related stuff.

"You all sound like Bart Simpson at Sunday School." Hell! How can we learn about Hell if we can't say Hell? bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

"Oh give it a rest guys. You all sound like Bart Simpson at Sunday School." Not so. :-) Most of the questions asked and objections raised have been expressed in a well-reasoned and civil manner. As just one example, read caravaggio's post, #13. Very well said, perfectly adult and civil. Nothing "Bart" about it at all. This is not a whiner's thread, at least not at this point. The problem is that Spike's reminder didn't just drop out of the sky, there HAS been an increase in totally off-topic posts here, but there's also been an ongoing problem with the way that some of the staff, sometimes, addresses the membership. It had alienated many, both regular members and merchants alike. Perhaps there should be a member-generated thread titled "Attention all forum moderators" detailing reminders that we make this site what it is just as much as they and the merchants do, and deserve to be treated like free-minded adults. Before I rant on, a brief disclaimer: I am definitely not singling Spike or any other single moderator or admin out. There isn't a single past or present Poser forum mod whom I haven't basically liked and appreciated. My point is general, and IMO valid. Lemurtek's post, #33 ... brilliant, that surmised the defensive part of my reaction as well. Although I've been frustrated by the large number of very off-topic postings here lately, it hasn't been that big of a deal. We're real people with complex personalities. Annoying though they might be, the off-topic postings are a sure sign that we ARE a community of real people, not just robots using Poser. The truly off-topic ones usually get moved to appropriate forums, anyway. Is that so awful? What's far more frustrating and demoralizing is the fact that too frequently, the staff takes on a condescending, sort of "exasperated babysitter" attitude with the membership in this forum. Instead of threatening us, maybe the good moderator folks should take a long, harsh look at their own treatment of this community, the tone that they assume and set. It's been more and more of an issue for a long time, now, as most of us know. Several people this thread have made good points about the difference between "debate" and "argument." Reasonable, non-abusive "bickering" and "argument" are NORMAL, sometimes even healthy, and above all, inevitable. The more the mods act like babysitters or cops, the more this forum is degraded. Maybe we members really do need to moderate ourselves better, but our sometimes-feisty personalities cannot be turned totally off or effectively censored. From what I've seen, the real problem with interpersonal abuses have been in the Off Topic and Copyright forums. Far more so than here. But you knew that. :-)

"Several people this thread have made good points about the difference between "debate" and "argument." Reasonable, non-abusive "bickering" and "argument" are NORMAL, sometimes even healthy, and above all, inevitable. The more the mods act like babysitters or cops, the more this forum is degraded."

Agreed (boy do I agree) and when the TOS has been used subjectively we have the right to ask what appears to be juvenile questions. I dissagree with whomever suggested these questions were juvenile. Is that against the TOS now? If a merchants name is brought up in a complaint post about their file formats does the merchant have the right to defend themselves?

Spike, I have a lot of respect for you so nothing personal but the only way you'll be clear enough is if you get rid of the poser forum, leave it at Poser technical and the galleries and then the community aspect will have truely been taken out of this site. Like Xonocastle says, disagreements are inevitable. It's going to happen. But the reason other sites don't have the problems this site has is because people are not babysat. Mods don't enter a civil but involved disscussion and state that they're "watching". Something to think about.

...... Kendra

I usually support the staff here at RR.

This puts me at odds with some of you (so what else is new). I don't really have any great objections to a "crack down" of this sort.

I will fight over issues that I feel strongly about -- but it looks like I won't be doing any fighting in this forum. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. I've got better ways to spend my time, anyhow. Soo--o-o-oo-o....discuss nothing but Poser-related matters......Poser-related.......keep repeating it over and over..........Poser-related........

No big problem here.

I can always go somewhere else if I am looking for a fight.

Something To Do At 3:00AM 

Nothing has been changed in the TOS, it's all the same stuff. Disagreements are one thing, attacks are another. Bottom line, Members and users are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that is constructive and respectful of others at all times.

You can't call it work if you love it... Zen Tambour

 

The TOS may not have changed, but clearly, the way it's being enforced is changing.

well i dont post in the forum much as i cant read an entire thread without going cross eyed and drooling alot, but shall we call this the Legume law? Seems to me that anyone with a controversial opinion, taste , style, mind, personality is pretty much in for a rough ride now that we're cleaning this town up. So for all those that disagree with me you may kindly keep it to yourself, as disagreeing with me might get you and all your alter egos banned from the community. See y'all in the galleries :-) just my 2 cents (i'm canadian so that works out to .00015 cents US).

Must I raise my hand when I have to use the bathroom? Laurie

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Poser = fun!!! everything non poser related is not permitted?????? A lot of Poser people ask for help on their system here because "this" is where the people are. If someone needs to know how to fix downloading to the wrong place problem, why is my system doing this problem?? I think it should be ok. Everyone here hashelped me and lots of others with system problems, because most of the people here are NICE people.. :o)

Laurie..... No, no need to raise your hand.... but, the bathroom is under construction....till @ least April snicker Thomas Poser Coordinator

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Sister Mary Elephant: "SHUT UP!!"

hehehe, it's a talking penguin man...

Gee, wouldnt it be nice if there was a forum where members could argue and Debate any topic they wanted? You know, so software forums (like the Poser forum for instance) would be free from such annoyances? Oh thats right, we used to have one, it was called C&D. Hmmmmm maybe the admins should have listened when the members said the arguments of C&D would spill over into the software forums.

Gee, wouldnt it be nice if there was a forum where members could argue and Debate any topic they wanted? NO! No arguments! Now go write on the board a hundred times, "An argument is NOT a series of points meant to establish a position, it is a violation of TOS". :-D bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

Attached Link: Visit Sixus1.com/Forum where the TOS is BYOB !!

Reading the TOS over...to make sure that I understand...I had a question about one of the rules:

Advertising or linking to any publications and/or web sites that are age restricted due to content, and/or pornographic in nature.

Isn't this site age restricted ?? You have to check off something that you are at least 15 to sign up. And I would think that it might be due to content since it does sell things like bondage gear and morphing female genitalia.

I could be wrong though, just a question.

See ya,
Rebekah Garner
Sixus1 Media

Bondage gear isn't pornographic in nature, it's just plain fun. Now Sixus1, you go stand in the corner and don't come out till your called!

The term TOS no longer appears appropriate, possibly "Penal Code" would be better. Note the way that "the list goes on" - so there are lots of other things that are not permitted, but you don't find out what they are till you do them. I would like to draw attention to some of the completely non-Poser related posts in this thread, particularly #s 10, 14, 16, 19 and 49. I trust the authors of those posts have received their warnings.

I just wonder... Will this rule FINALLY include staff members, too... Not that I am looking at anybody in particular???

L'ultima fòrza è nella morte.

I like coming here and consider many of you guys to be friends. I like to hear your little OT things, when someone needs a shoulder to cry on (mourning) or has happy news (babies and weddings) or has done something great (exams and stuff) - well it is nice that they tell us. We can all support/cheer each other.

ok. i understand that you need rules. i also understand that you want a "clean" forum. but you will see that respect, helpfulness, ... all those positive characteristics mankind is able to show, can't be forced by rules. i fear this will dry out the spirit, instead of helping it. time will show. but there is a good chance i won't see it. 'bye

I understand the need for free expression, but I think people are being overly dramatic about "censorship". 99% of Rosity's members are kind, friendly, helpful people. But there is a darkside on rosity, of people who respect no law and think nothing of attacking people in gallery comments, forum posts and instant messages. I truly believe that these stepped up enforcements are necessary to limit abusive behavior and opportunists who would clog the site with irrelevant posts. The internet by default is a lawless, chaotic, aggressive place. This site should be applauded for their efforts to maintain civility and a code of conduct that ensures we all get to enjoy our time here, even if some people don't get the thrill of yelling "fire" in a crowded movie theater.

However, this can usually be done in a less threatening way than posting a long list of crimes and punishments. By and large, this forum is popular because it's a busy, laid-back sort of place. Let's try and keep it that way.

Apparently, the "goins ons" here have been infringinging upon copyrights held by the producers of the "Jerry Springer" show.

"Whatever is not expressedly permitted is forbidden. No exceptions." I presume we will go on talking, debating, exaggerating, stepping on toes, complimenting, gushing, holding the new baby up for general friendly enthusiasm and hypocrisy, whining, complaining, asking questions, answering questions, reporting news and gossip, enjoying each other's noisy, sometimes abrasive, often silly, often supportive company. The only difference will be the hovering presence of the police and the occasional disappearance, sometimes unnoticed, sometimes embarrassingly public. Will it be against the TOS to talk about the vanished? M

Ben Dover : You said : What if someone asks for a place to host something and I refer them to PlanIt3D.com, or we have a new article or interview that's Poser-related? Are those acceptable posts in the Poser forum or is that considered advertising? smitthm: Personally, I'll have no issues with either, I think Spike meant like in My above example, using Myself as the target. Altho, He will have to clarify that. -------------------------------------------------------- I hope that view becomes the standard. In the past, though, we (Rebekah and I) have been reprimanded heavily for anything we might say that could possibly generate an interst in the tutorials or contents of our site. Even though we have supported rendo vehemently all along, even when we've disagreed with it. As it stands, I haven't been able to post a piece art over here in nearly a year because if I do it's automatically moved to Product Showcase. It's almost like i'm being penalized because i refuse to use other companies (see, no names mentioned)products in my renders or for always using my own... I make my own stuff, Sixus1 Media (our company) sells original figures... so I guess I'm not allowed to use my own products in my own art and post here because folks might find it interesting.... I wonder if posting images of my figures rendered in Maya (where I make most of my stuff) would be allowed in the Maya forum, or if the subject matter were then converted and offered for Poser, would it be moved to the Product Showcase as well? Some say I enjoy debating the semmantics of things like this.... I say the devil is in the details. So how about those details, eh? :) I've been told jokingly that Sixus1 Media and our supporters are kind of the lunatic fringe of the Poser world.... at this rate, I'm very glad we've been able to provide the lunatics with thier own asylum ;) >>>now going to stand in the corner with Rebekah-- I guess we'll hook up with the rest of the lunatics in detention--- that's where the really interesting stuff always happened in school anyway!<<< -Les

What I want to know.... If it should happen that someone gets kicked out... and someone raised that already above but I did not see an answer... and they have made purchases. Now, say there is an issue - i.e. the recent copyright stuff - which requires that user to have to enter and re-download their purchase... If they cannot do that, you effectively force them to continue to use material that is infringing on someone's copyright. Also, they may not even know they are infringing on someone's copyright. Frankly, I don't think many have anything to worry about. But I also would like to know a few things: a.) Who makes the decision of who is getting a warning and who isn't? b.) Does that person have a right of appeal? c.) Does the warning ever expire? If they never expire, someone may have 3 strikes in a year and be out, while they are normally reasonable people and of great value to the community, while another gets 3 strikes in a day and are out. What if that person is a Merchant? To post here I need an account, which is tied in with my purchases, and I am assuming the merchants would have that name tied to their merchant area. So if you end up banning a merchant... what about us customers? When can we expect an edit button? When can we expect sticky posts for topics such as this? Might want to think about that.

Silke

Excuse me, Is this the right room for an argument??

Warmest Regards,

Dallas

There are other similar sites out there where the rules are a lot more relaxed and they haven't burned down yet. Perhaps it is time to look around and learn why and perhaps improve? Why is it that these other sites can allow people to disagree without any heavy-handedness still go along fine... More specifically address the questions about the warnings. Do they expire? If so, after how long? What if they're totally wrong? Like the profanity TOS one that actually isn't in the TOS... What are the appeal abilities?

Calypso Dreams... My Art- http://www.calypso-dreams.com

Renderosity Gallery

Here are the rules; these are the rules until we need other rules to validate our suspension of prior rules or the adding of further rules which may or may not be congruent with the previous rule or sets thereof. Should further new rules be deemed necessary, it is our rule that you may or may not be notified of said new rules until such time as you are in violation of them, at which point further rules may be enacted in order to facilitate the furhter enforement of the previously created rules. Y'know, at least monarchies and dictatorships are honest about who calls the shots. People should never be made to feel they have a say in things when in fact, they really don't. Just a little food for thought there. -Les

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=1639517

*lol* I want clarifications... http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=1639517

Calypso Dreams... My Art- http://www.calypso-dreams.com

Renderosity Gallery

SHHHHHHHH.....all of you who are not agreeing with the regime are arguing...arguing is sin, sin is punishable by banishment....wait....this is bad ? why? Oh yes..the dictatorship is good, the dictatoship is our friend, the dictatorship knows best....yes thats it...right. Creativity, freedom of thoughts and speech and critisism towards generally crappy art is bad. never mind, i'll go back to making spit balls.

It's interesting how there has been little or no clarification from the PTB since this post was made - we're all left with questions a good many of them relevent, but no answers. I have one question in all this Who watches the watchmen?

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Well if the New Initiative here leaves people cold .... I suggest voting with your feet. If not? then to use this board you must follow the owners rules *tips hat to Spike* Lyrra Ex-EvilOverlord

What's so hard to understand about Spike's orginal post? R'soty wants to cut down on the arguing and huge threads and low and behold here is a big a$$ thread all full of tiny little bickering and "oh what about this" miniscule complaints. Its a 3d software forum not a debate forum. There are yahoo clubs and groups all over the net for debating all the other issues brought up here. Plus there are other groups set up for the debate of issues like copyright and merchant store etc. What, you think these people here are part of some huge conspirocy or something? If this is the extent of your co-dependancy is to come here and debate on a forum for a 3D rendering app about every knit pick issue then I feel sorry for you.

Mason, you are right. Most people, given a choice between taking control of their lives and watching the Super Bowl, would make the right decision. Tell me who won. No, don't. M

given a choice between taking control of their lives and watching the Super Bowl

That's like a choice between left-handedness and a taste for onions.

Odd.

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Comrade Mason it's called freedom of speech and being treated like an adult. If you dont like having to deal with a bunch of stubborn and opinionated artists than turn your computer off or change the url you're at. People are going to argue because thats what they do. people are also going to argue this edict from spike because we're tired of being treated like juveniles. Argument is good for the soul and it provides in most cases a learning experience. It's also part of what defines a community. What we're being told is to sit on our hands and behave like good children. I for one dont like it and I for one will argue about it, and if you're so concerned about it why the hell did you reply to this thread? bit hypocriticle if you ask me.

"Will it be against the TOS to talk about the vanished?"

There are no vanished. To assert that there are any vanished is to argue. Arguing is against the TOS. See how simple that is?

Look, clearly the folks who runt his place are free to run it anyway they want to - and we are free to continue using this place or not. That's the basis of websites being effectively private property. That's fine.

What they can't mandate is this simple consequence... the more they limit the type of things we can come here to discuss and learn about Poser, the more the limit how we can network by trading links to our work and our websites and the sites of others... the less relevant this place becomes.

I am not attacking this forum with this post, I am trying to make sure someone understands why this site is useful and important. To do that, we need to be honest about what it is not. Renderosity is...

• Not the only place to get information about Poser. Several other sites are stepping up to fill the gap. That includes PoserPros for technical information and others for other areas.
• Not a useful place to get serious information about software other than Poser. For all intents and purposes the power users of the CG community don't ever set foot here (other than Poser). You find that at CGTalk and 3DBuzz.
• Not the most important place to get tutorials on general 3D topics. That's 3DBuzz again.
• Not a particularly important place to showcase your work, or make professional contacts. That's CGNetworks.
• Not the best place to network with other artist... because now you aren't really allowed to mention your work or your site without being extremely cautious.
• Not the best place to get comments on your work in progress... because it might be an advertisement if someone takes it wrong.

So, at the moment, what exactly are the strong points here?

• The store has a lot of stuff. The quality is generally bad but some of the merchants are doing an amazing job.
• There are a lot of people who make this site part of their daily rounds in the Poser world.
• This site has a strong feeling of community for some of us (myself included)
• The gallery is convenient though extremely limited in it's functionality.
• That's it... and those things are primarily legacy items. Once the "clean up" takes away from the relevance of the site that will all fade.

Community is fostered by us being able to trade links, talk about what we are working and how, show images of work in progress and link to our company and home pages. That's what a web community is built on.. being able to cross pollinate information. Make that hard or impossible and it fades away.

Again, it is important to know that I support the right of the powers that be to do anything they want with their site. It seems that these are very conservative (not politically) people and maybe the soft sex nature inherent in the concept of Poser has always bothered them.

But it makes this site less and less relevant every change they make. Have ti the way you want it, just don't be confused when it turns out the focus of this Poser community has moved on... and Poser is the only community that is focused on this site.

I don't want to seem like a smart ass here. But on the 3 strikes your out thing... How would you enforce it? I mean between lets say getting a new e-mail account, using a different name, address, whatever... Using a proxy server for different ip address, etc. How could they keep you out if you got a perma-ban. I'm a major computer geek, and I could could think of a half a dozen ways to get around the ban, and get on renderosity if I wanted to. Not that I want to get myself banned, and try everything out mind you. I have better things to do in life. I was just putting in my 2 cents here. All in all the rules are not all that bad. Brad.

"You all proved Spike's point about his post" LOL! The irony, the irony...

hmm.. if the ban is to work, they would have to ban by IP address.. which causes real problems these days. if you are on an ISP such as mine, tracking my IP gives you the local NTL server.. not me. so if you ban me, you ban everyone else on that section of the NTL network... about 250+ renderosity users as I was last told when I brought this up before... (someone was misentering their password and locking us all out for 24hours) so.. how are they gonna do the banning then?

Hey, Spiky boy! My husband and I have a suggestion: Why don't you guys just go ahead and ban all of the members of Renderosity right now and driver yourselves out of business? I mean, why draw it out? If Renderosity is really so determined to kill itself, why make a big long show of it? Just get it over with. Ban all the users and declare chapter eleven. Hell, you guys are going that way anyway. You're bound and determined to do everything wrong in the goal of staying in business and making a tolerable community. Hell, if I didn't know better, I'd assume that Renderosity has been bought out by DAZ behind the scenes and all this screwing up is being done on purpose to slowly shift people over to the DAZ forums without them realising they've been herded. Except I know better. You guys really do screw up this badly and this often. Renderosity uber alles?

does this mean renderosity is gonna become even MORE boring?

The question here is are we going to have NO RULES or a lot of RULES. If I get into a beef with someone, I have no problem getting in their face and telling them to @#$% off. But thats not the kind of place renderosity is and it shouldn't be. Its the mods job to make sure people are being respectful. There are people on rosity who are masters of violating the TOS without getting banned. They use multiple accounts, veiled insults and carefully crafted verbal abuse. So it really is a matter of a bad apple spoiling the whole bunch. How is anyone going to learn if all that goes one here is arguing and cheap shots. I mean, look at this thread, its absurd.

I support the right of the powers that be >> to do anything they want with their site. Sure. Although I would have said "acknowledge" rather than "support." If I go to a free private park to walk my dog and I discover the owners are "cleaning up" the park by shotgunning pigeons, I have to admit that is their right, and I'll say so to anyone who asks me as I head back to my car. For me, Renderosity has been a bit like the second cup of coffee in front of the Today Show. Sure, I'll miss it. But my life will not be altered in some terrible way. Frankly, I'm tired of watching this crap. Er, poo-poo. M

Elizabyte, Kendra, Xenophonz, Caly, Soulhuntre, Xococo... xocono... xoknocko... xicona... whatever g You there with the "x" and all the consonants - you know who you are ;]p~~~ It's not going to change. You're wasting typos that could be better spent elsewhere. [Although from the looks of this thread, we're not running out of typos anytime soon. Especially in the admin posts.] They're not listening. Look how many posts have gone by without input or "discussion" from an admin or mod. Hell... Spork hasn't been back since he posted the notice. It's not going to change. They're going to do what they're going to do, and the pretense of community input and involvement is just a nifty way to wank you guys off so you'll think something constructive is happening. Tim doesn't give a flying rats ass what the members think as long as you don't do it too loudly and drive off customers. Tammy might actually give a rats, but it disagrees with her preconceptions of how you should think, so it's disregarded. What Sixus1 and Lyrra thinks doesn't matter, because they're "disrupting things" under the "competing sites" clause that's in the TOS in invisible ink, so they can be discounted. The Moderators - some of them - might give a damn, but Kbennet's on extended burnout and not around to argue for you, and Shoshanna is new and probably uncomfortable with bucking the Staff. And Spike... hey, Spike's Tim's hired gunsel, only not as effective as the former one. And he's the one that posted the Bill. ;] The Hall Monitors er... Co-Ordinators don't care because ya'll being argumentative and pitching chocks in the wheels gets in the way of their ego gratification for wandering around and "watching" discussions and stomping out dissent. They can't get gold stars on their caps if you snicker at them and tell them they're full of bullshit. A lot of the members don't care, because a lot of people actually like the Dinseyosity atmosphere. Its unthreatening. They don't have to deal with people like me or Legume, who might be perfectly reasonable and helpful most of the time... but who aren't above calling a fuckwit a fuckwit when it quacks like one. That's uncomfortable... and people like ya'll are abrasive and you're unsettling too, because you're asking questions and bucking the mods and upsetting the Lovefest. Stop that. snicker A lot of the merchants aren't going to buck the flow because it'd get in the way of their grabbing a slice of the gravy train - principles are nice, but you can spend money. This crap's been going on for over three years now: a staff member makes an "announcement", asks for "input" from the members, maybe they take a "community vote"............... and nothing changes. It's all whitewash: they go ahead and do what they were going to anyway. Afterall... they know they can always replace members like you with members who won't bitch as much. And they do. How many people really miss Legume? How many just went "Who?" grin Ditto for merchants: they can replace the Wyrmmaster's and Billy-T's if it comes down to it with 50 new merchants who won't individually earn them as much, but in aggregate they can skim more in the exchange. You won't get any answers. You won't get any changes. You won't inspire new policies. They're going to go on interpreting the TOS as they please, enforcing bullshit rules that aren't in the TOS [Like the competing sites thing: ask Clint on that one] when it's convenient, and generally go on managing things with a roadmap and a flashlight trying to find their collective asses.... Because they can and because so far it's working. And ya wanna know the neat thing? ;] There's no victims here, there's only volunteers. Renderosity's the way it is - a saccharinne sewer waiting for the chain to be pulled - because everyone involved made it this way and everyone else keeps coming and spending their cash hoping that some day it'll change. Long as ya'll keep coming back - as long as we all keep coming back - and as long as money continues to go into Tim's Bahama's fund, it's going to stay the same. Why not? Ya'll keep demonstrating you'll continue to volunteer for it. No matter what they do or don't do. Give it up. Wander by 3-D Arena and I'll put up virtual beers on the house... I got the best seat in the community for watching the upcoming flush. ;]

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

• Monkeysmell

*"Elizabyte, Kendra, Xenophonz, Caly, Soulhuntre, Xococo... xocono... xoknocko... xicona... whatever g You there with the "x" and all the consonants - you know who you are ;]p~~~

It's not going to change. You're wasting typos that could be better spent elsewhere."*

What typos? Damn you Ironbear I pride myself on my spelling and for you to.... oh wait, is that one for me?

But you're right, you're right I know you're right. It's just that this place could be so good you know? But instead of a cool place to discuss whatever it's become quite annoying as power happy mods stick their noses into discussions and act like babysitters. sigh

"Give it up. Wander by 3-D Arena and I'll put up virtual beers on the house... I got the best seat in the community for watching the upcoming flush. ;] "

Posedrek? :) Yay! I'm there if so. But I only drink Scotch no younger than 18 years. :) (but Guinness'll do)

...... Kendra

Posedrek is there of course (although I'm not sure I like being portrayed by Angelica Huston). You will find "The compleat PoseDrek! The Semi-Animated! The uncut version!" here: http://forums.3-darena.com/viewtopic.php?t=406 But I suggest you make sure IB washes the glasses - and whatever you do DO NOT look over the bar - he's decided he doesn't have to wear pants roll eyes

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But of course. I have all the PoseDreck's stickied at the top of the Bar forum for reading. ;] Can't say when I'll have new ones though... I've hit a dearth of creativity. Not withstanding all the material these people are giving me to work with.

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

• Monkeysmell

I would also very much like an answer about the "three strikes and you're out" policy.

• Does the "counter" get reset? If so, when? After 1 month? 6 months? 1 year? I'm not sure but I THINK I have a warning. It turned out to be a warning given by mistake becourse a mod misunderstood the concept of a picture, so I THINK it was withdrawn. If it WAS a warning in the first place, it's so long ago...
• WHEN/IF a member gets banned, how about that member's purchases? How do you re-download them? Or for that matter, say you just purchased something and was banned before you even GOT them downloaded?
• What if that member is a merchant? How do you support customers? What about any in-store credits? What happens to your products? Do they stay or are they deleted? What if someone buys one of them and you're banned (and deleted) before that member gets to download his or her purchase?
• What are the remaining things on the apparently long list? (since it "goes on..."?) Just things that can be used against you in case you step on the wrong set of toes?
• What happens when a mod or coordinator breaks the TOS?
• And why didn't I get any e-bots on this thread after my last post?

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ernyoka he answered some questions at: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=1639517 Basically there is no "reset" if you are warned now and then in 6 months and thena year from now that makes 3 You want access to past products - contact the store here. Of course that doesn't say how you will know if there are updates or copyright infringements n items - since if they are sold here you are supposed to find out about that here (not of course that changesa aren't posted and discussed elsewhere). Store closed ASAP Renderosity is indeed an age restricted site and it certainly contains content that is age restricted in the store and gallery - claiming anything else is all smoke. but that is just my opinion

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Good points all, Ironbear. Thank you. For what it's worth, we used to be a very agile and active merchant in the context of Rendo. For that matter, we still do pretty well with sales here. However the agility we used to be so pleased with here came because we were able to to really connect with our cutomers. Between situations like the ones represented in this thread and the many continued layers of excessive control being excercised throughout Rendo, it's become a very "tow the line" kind of place. It's no secret that we are fans of our own site. It's no secret as well that our site is experiencing some amazing growth right now. What I find amusing is how loose the rules on many things are until you show a level of autonomy. It's like in many industries: show the distributors in the chain that you as a producer aren't 100% bound to them, and see how quick they start trying to head off your efforts. It's an analogy, sure; but one worth considering for thos merchants active in this thread. Until recently, Rebekah and I remained quiet about a lot of little things. Advice to us ona personal level from some folks involved on the other side of things is to continue to not make waves. But you're right, Ironbear: principles are nice, but you can spend money. I like that. That is a comment that I can concurr with completely. We pulled out of Daz earlier last year based on principles too numerous to list here. Many situations at Rendo are very close to pushing us in the same direction here. Hell, the overall atmosphere of "lock it down, control the community, control the market" that is being perpetuated here was a big part of why we left Daz. And just for the record, you can do alright on your own. We do quite well. Personally, I think members and merchants alike need to step up to the plate here, put thier ideas, ethics and attitudes on the line and show exactly why "the customer comes first" is the hallmark of good business. Rendo is slapping it's customers (members and merchants both fall into that customer banner IMO) right in the face repeatedly. I wonder if we'll be missed when the banning patrol comes our way.:) BTW: since I haven't recieved an official notice yet, am I to assume I hav'ent incurred the wrath of the almight admins yet? Or have I jsut accrued enough without notice that my notice will be a finger pointed to the dorr? Announcements without definition are a dangerous thing. :)

hey ironbear: another typo on my part (dorr=door) not sure that is a typo or just part of the new webspeach of the terminally irked:)

Or to quote Stephen King... "Don't ask me silly questions, I won't play silly games, I'm just a simple choo-choo train, And I'll always be the same." Ironbear, hat's off and more respect to you. You actually said what I'm pretty sure many have been thinking. :)

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Sixus1, I much prefer to buy from you directly anyways. More of a bargain and Rebekah is very nice. :) But I also like Daz- they've always done right by me as a customer. :)

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:-)

Ironbear's post is very well written, and in my opinion, very accurate. Renderosity is a corporation, not a community. They're here to make money. It doesn't matter if they ban us all, or we all migrate to other sites. New people will come in to fill our places, and hell, that's probably what they want. Rotate their customer base. Don't want anyone settling in and seeing what's really going on and speaking out about it. No, can't have that. Bah. They'll do what they want, how they want, and when they want. End of story.

But I suggest you make sure IB washes the glasses - and whatever you do DO NOT look over the bar - he's decided he doesn't have to wear pants roll eyes "I find your lack of pants disturbing." Darth Vader to Admiral Motti, Star Wars IV (errr... something like that) Regards- Lemurtek, waiting for the OT axe to fall...

well if they try to say this one is OT just point at Spike and say "He started it!" evil grin

"well if they try to say this one is OT just point at Spike and say "He started it!""

Well he did. By the way, Spike, don't you have a DVD to finish? Quit letting them make you the fall guy and get back to work. (been watching the one I have while I've been home sick so I need a new one) :)

"You will find "The compleat PoseDrek! The Semi-Animated! The uncut version!" here:
http://forums.3-darena.com/viewtopic.php?t=406
But I suggest you make sure IB washes the glasses - and whatever you do DO NOT look over the bar - he's decided he doesn't have to wear pants roll eyes"

(yay! posedrek and naked bartenders) :p

*"SHRIEK!!!

Several moderator bots look up at the scream, then shrug and ignore it as probably just another member policy reaction... "*

from Radiofree Halloween

Still my favorite. :)

...... Kendra

You won't get any answers. You won't get any changes. You won't inspire new policies. Oh, I know that. Sometimes I just enjoy being a sarcastic pain in the neck. I regerd it as a form of entertainment to watch the antics that go on here. A while back someone asked in this forum why people come here, what they get from it. My answer was (and still is), "I enjoy a soap opera." And so I do. I don't actually CARE that much, really. I stopped caring a while back. I'm to the "Yeah, okay, whatever," point. Eventually, this site WILL lose the momentum its had, I do believe that. Not sure how long it'll take, but I believe it WILL happen. I'm kind of interested in watching it all unfold. Cynical? You bet I am. And, to be honest, I've seen it all before in many other kinds of communities, online and off. It's interesting to me, in an anthropological way, to watch the signs and see it happening here... ;-) bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

hey now, I'm just passing through, ya'll, and dropping a few choice words. In a different forum here on this very site, I'm arguing for this sort of action to be taken. This exact sort of action, this babysitting type of thing to keep all the ugly noise and malcontent abuse at bay. It involves that wonderful subject that so many are passionate about. Now for the kicker: I believe that this policy, if enforced robotically, is wrong as all hell, although I do understand the impetous for it. Ok, so this is what they are going to do. This is what they base it on. Sounds good to me. As noted wonderfully in prior posts, 'rosity can do whatever the hell it wants to do because they own it, and no amount of agreement or diagreement is gonna change it as long as 'rosity is still the largest available market for poser products around -- something that we all made it. My question -- the answer for which only time will show -- is the manner of enforcement. I'm a bit realistic -- I don't expect them to let folks that piss them off keep posting. They might even give ole ironbear a bit o the swat (though I recall the last time that didn't work out too well...). But, as noted as well, things will keep on going pretty much the way it has been. Folks like Legume (who I miss as well) will still get booted, and there will still be small flamewars filled with all sorts of vehemence. But maybe, just maybe, this is a step in the direction that a lot folks have been begging for -- making this forum one that's a little more focused on the friendly stuff, and a lot less on calling a fuckwit a fuckit jus' cause they disagree wit' ya... (and then again, maybe it is an attempt to youthen the membership from folks that's been around a bit to the newer ones and the more apathetic ones in order to increase the number of overall sales...)

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

ah, dangnabbit! Allow me to amend, please: This policy as it is is being applied to this forum, specifically, is wrong. The other one needs it.

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

"You want access to past products - contact the store here." Err... and exactly how are you supposed to do that? If they do an IP Ban, then you will not get to the site period. If they ban by username - what is to stop you making a new account? I do not like this current trend. Frankly, the forums and the store should be seperate entities. If it were a case of forums.renderosity.com you could ban access to the forums. while still allowing access to store. for instance. But hey! That's not the case. I absolutely positively dislike the idea that warnings never expire. I'm sorry, but that is just wrong. It will punish someone who is a model 'Citizen' for 99.9% of the time, but has a total blowout every once in a while - provoked or otherwise. Basically, Member X who is a member and who has a screaming fit with someone and gets warned in say... January 2004, then has another fit around December 2004 and gets another warning and in November 2005 they flip their lid again and find themselves banned from the site for being disruptive. At the same time, Member Y who is not a model citizen and who 99.9% of the time skirts close to the edge, provokes people into huge arguments on 3 occasions in a single month and gets banned. Yes, we have one person less to scream in the forums, BUT... Member X doesn't deserve to have those warnings hanging over their head for the rest of eternity. Member X and Member Y are nothing alike - but they may both end up banned the same way, only it will take longer for one. It should be handled like points on a license. After a certain time, the point (warning) expires. If it didn't, a lot less people would be driving now if they were all cumulative.

Silke

"It should be handled like points on a license." Disagree. This whole idea of keeping files on people is utterly repulsive. On other sites the whole thing is handled informally in a relaxed fashion rather than by playing games of Big Brother.

That's a good idea on keeping the store and the forums seperate. Brad.

"How many people really miss Legume?" Me, for one. :-( The interest level of the forums took a sharp drop when he (and his wit) left. And I miss Pete (RadArt), even though he went off the rails sometimes. And PJF, even though we frequently disagreed. And my old sparring partner Virtualsite, because even though we had some epic knock-down-drag-outs, I respected him. Noticing a pattern there? Disagreement and argument is not only something that can't be avoided, it's something that has its place in a vibrant and open community. Can't say I feel too much nostalgia for Ronknights, though.

Illusions seems to be gone as well.

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Funny thing... years ago rendo went through this same thing right as it was changing from poserforum.com over to renderosity... seems the cycle continues over and over and just keeps getting worse, the more commercial the site gets. Open discussions at sixus1.com and rendervisions anyone?

I think I'd spend more time at Rendervisions, Sixus1, PoserPros, DAZ, etc., except for they all use those darned php message boards. They use CSS (Cascading Style Sheets) to set text sizes. CSS earned itself a featured mention at WebPagesThatSuck.com, because it overrides whatever the user might have set his or her text size to. This often creates problems, since one size never fits all. Someone with a small monitor and low-res video card will see the text as huge, while someone with a large monitor and high-res video card sees the text as microfilm. With my 19" monitor and video card set to Poser standard, the text on php boards is so small I can't read it comfortably for long. (I'm not even going to get into the weird color schemes some boards have, like black on green.) Rosity, OTOH, uses fairly basic HTML coding. You can set the text to any size you want, just with View -> Text Size. And it's black text on a white background. (There's a reason books have been published with that color scheme for centuries.) I have to say, the site general layout is one thing Rosity does right. (I suspect I'd spend a lot more money at 3DCommune if their navigation weren't so darned awkward. All those java windows. Ack!)

"the more commercial the site gets" Oh I don't think commercial is the issue really. I knwo many good commercial sites that allow for open discussion and don't have draconian TOS's and a determinationt o turn the art community into a G rated kiddy pool. In this particular case it is that the coimmercial success of the site is convincing the owners that they can do anything they want to this forum and they will always still get the $$$'s. It will be something of a shock :)

"I've told you once." You did not!

Warmest Regards,

Dallas

They mean business; I've just been cited for a comment that violates the TOS. I don't know which one, what forum, or what part of the TOS I've violated (I don't swear here, post nudity in the forums, maliciously attack anyone, or try to sell anything, so the following is resolved)
I'll continue to peruse this forum
I will not make any postings here
If I see a way I can help, I'll likely IM the requesting party
Admins- I hereby grant you leave to make me an example; you're entirely free to tell the others (and me) how I've violated the policy. Folks, this is my last Poser posting, it's been fun..but I ain't down for the count yet..;) just a lot quiter..bye now..

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

"Illusions seems to be gone as well." Well, that figures.

Not everyone left because of the administration. Some people left because they couldn't stand the rudeness and inconsideration shown them by other community members.

"it's become quite annoying as power happy mods stick their noses into discussions and act like babysitters. sigh " I hate to disagree with you Kendra, but it's not "becoming". IB's right, this has been going on for a looooooooooooooooong time, years in fact. He's also right, that nothing anyone can or will say will make one damned bit of difference. Either you bow to the PTB, and kiss their respective asses or your banned. ANYONE (that is to say anyone that isn't a top seller) that disagrees with ANY decision by staff will dissapear.It wasn't always so, but it is now, and will continue to be so. If you want to express yourself without the threat of censor, there are other places to do so. If you want the thought police to make your online life all warm and fuzzy, well this is the place to be. Welcome to Disneyosity, where you will be happy, or you will be gone.

pakled, you're a valuable member and I enjoy reading your posts, so I hope you'll re-consider not posting here. Your post, above, is interesting. You mean, when you get a warning, it's only some generic template? They don't tell you what you did "wrong?" That's crazy! How can you avoid repeating the offense if you don't know what it is? More and more Orwellian the scenario becomes. Aschcroftian, if you prefer.

heh when I got my warning it didn't say what the warning was for either. They need to rethink their warning strategies. A few IMS got me a 'reason' which to this day still doesn't make sense... Which reminds me I should probably keep sending IMs... :D I posted all about it over at Poserpros awhile ago. ;)

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Pakled, you have posted to this thread earlier, right? Well whatever you said must have been it, becourse your previous post is gone, and I guess they delete offensive posts. this is getting out of hand, peeps :o(

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"Not everyone left because of the administration. Some people left because they couldn't stand the rudeness and inconsideration shown them by other community members." Actually, the vast majority of well-known abdications have been in protest of site policy changes related to the marketplace, contests, or other issues relating to administrative behavior. To deny that would be dishonest. I do know of one person who rarely posts here anymore because they feel they were demonized by fellow members, but the fact is that this person was very, very harsh on others (including administration) themselves, and didn't seem to "get it" about that, ahem. Although you may have posted your comment in the spirit of balanced perspective, which is cool, it unfortunately comes across as more potential evidence that the staff here is in denial of their own respect problem, no disprespect intended. :-)

Audrey, you forgot the rule about luggage. g

Huh???? This thread is still here and unlocked?

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heh.. maybe it's just a good thread to use to keep a tally of who is in dissent... makes fo a quick list of "trouble makers" for the thought police to keep an eye out for. :)

Well folks, not that it matters to anyone but I'm outta here. No offense to the staff or management but this isn't a community anymore and it isn't where I want to spend my time or money either. Like most people I came to rendorosity for the freebies, but then I discovered the wonderful community that existed on the Poser Forum and C&D. The community eventually led me to purchase things from the store. Not that I'm a big spender so you won't miss me much. The administration here has taken the one big Poser community site that once was a place of communication and innovation and turned into a kiddy care romper room, where everyone must be nice. Now the jackboots are taking over the baby sitting. Well no thank you. I'm off to find somewhere, where we can talk about all things poser and non poser issue, where we can discuss products, stores and other poser sites in the COMMUNITY. Where we can argue now and again, without the fear of being forcebly segragated or worse because of someone's petty obsession that everything must have it's place and if its off topic you get in trouble.

I'm not taking sides because there are always two sides to an issue. But ya know, this used to be a really nice place to visit and chat and meet with friends and LEARN things. This site used to be all about LEARNING, but it lost that a very very long time ago. Save a very few kind hearted souls, the community spirit is gone. And I guess I will be as well.

LaurieA, I don't know about Audrey, but her post is gone now. I read it before it got deleted and boy was that harsh.

Harsh maybe, but dead solid true, cherokee. Prolly why it was deleted. ;]

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Totally on target, oh Ursine one. Kate (off checking her luggage to make sure there aren't any disguised admins hiding there)

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I find it depressing to see this forum coming to this after all the time and energy I personally put into it. And yes, I'd been staving off the marching beurocracy as much as I could. I'm afraid that now I'm out of the way you all can see the fullness of justice in these parts. And you thought I was bad. I think that this may be one of the last times I come round to this forum .. its sad to see a once great place decline, but there's nothing I can do for it at this point. If this was a sick cat I'd euthanise it and stop the poor things suffering. Enough tragida for my taste. I prefer the living. Vivat Rendervisions! Lyrra the Once and Future Evil Overlord PS. I'm hoping I don't get banned for this comment .. I do have a few items still feebly struggling along in the market. But if I do? c'est la vie, c'est la guerre

Yup, Lyrra, as Jerry Mouse once said: "c'est la guerre, m'sieu Pooseycat!" ;]

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Instant Message from Shoshanna: With regards to the matter of your comment on Spikes announcement in the Poser Forum. Please be aware, that after some consideration I am issuing a formal warning to you about the poser forum post you made today (Friday 30th January, 2004.) Thank you sir, may I have another?

Instant Message from Shoshanna: With regards to the matter of your comment on Spikes announcement in the Poser Forum. Please be aware, that after some consideration I am issuing a formal warning to you about the poser forum post you made today (Friday 30th January, 2004.) Thank you sir, may I have another? snicker...I knew it! Congrats dear ;). LOL. Laurie

...there was a young boy (OK, so he was mid-40's) who discovered a MAGIC piece of software. It let him move and pose and color figures, just like reeeeaaaalll people. But it wasn't easy for him to understand, so he started a search to find where the secrets to the new MAGIC software. He looked first at one site, then at another, and finally he discovered the WONDERFUL LAND OF RENDEROSITY. Pink Ponies flew there. People were helpful and friendly. Everyone treated everyone like an adult. It was amazing. There were wonderful things to buy there, and though he often went hungry, his Poser People were very well dressed and housed. His favorite land was Forumland. It was ruled by and EVIL OVERLORD named Lyrra, who really was a very nice lady with taste and amazingly good common sense. He was happy there. But then, things started to change. Rules that were simple became more complex. HIs favorite guilds in the new world, the vendors, left without taking more of his money to go to places where they got a better cut. The EVIL OVERLORD was asked to leave, and it seemed like she took al the common sense and even handedness with her. Things got worse, as people were threatened with the dreaded WARNINGS. Some were even BANNED (maybe at the stake, who knows?). He mentioned another site, but it was a TABOO place that couldn't be mentioned, and he was made sore afraid. He'd always wanted to be once of the enlightened VENDORS, but he didn't feel appreciated anymore. So he sold his stuff at another land called DAZ. Then he slowly went away.... looking for a pink pony again. ...little jimmi wants the pink ponies and evil overlords back. ...no matter how many times he clicks his ruby slippers, it don't feel like home...

On the one hand... "Oh i used to be disgusted And now i try to be amused" (The Angels want to wear my) Red Shoes Elvis Costello, My Aim is True On the Other hand... "Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light." Do not go gentle into that good night Dylan Thomas Regards- Lemurtek

Not everyone left because of the administration. Some people left because they couldn't stand the rudeness and inconsideration shown them by other community members. ::thinking of pots and kettles:: Hey, I have to think of what to cook for dinner tomorrow, seriously! ;) Like others, I've been around this place a long time, even longer than IB, altho I've mostly lurked. (probably luckily for RO) It's a sad day indeed when we're told how to behave and to play nice for everyone. Sorry, I'm not a cheerleader. I'm just an old middle-aged lady who loves to create art. I'm blunt and I prefer it that way, and I prefer others approach me that way as well. I believe someone said in a post way up there that artists are a temperamental lot. In fact we are and we're damned proud of it. BTW, is the rest of RO getting this warning, or are the Poser kiddies the only ones getting a finger shook at them? It's no wonder I'm burnt-out lately. Sheesh.

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Probably the Poser forum is the only one that needs it. Maybe if people acted like adults instead of two year olds, it wouldn't be necessary to be told to play nice. It's just an attention getting device. And pretty sad statement on the community members around here. Oh well. It's what I expected.

"Maybe if people acted like adults instead of two year olds, it wouldn't be necessary to be told to play nice." The vast majority of us do act like adults, and when the vast majority of us behave in a somewhat childish manner, it's all in good fun, and perfectly harmless. The administrative threats, expressed in the manner that they were, were not necessary. Obviously, they backfired and created more bad feelings, and in some cases, more "bad" behavior. There is no need to condescend or threaten, there are more mature and effective ways to remind the community that TOS exist for good reason, and need to be followed. There is someone, no names please, who seriously needs to take a good look in the mirror and cut the pretentious self-righteous condescending. It's disgusting and hypocritical, laughably so, and more importantly, does nothing to help the situation that this certain person criticizes. Quite the opposite. Stop posing. Let's get back to Posing.

Well said, Xoconostle. My thoughts exactly. My husband died last month and let me tell you that one realizes what's really important in life. This forum isn't one of them. My point of view was changed not so much by his death but by his suffering. Four months of the most agonizing pain I've ever seen a human being have to go through. Death was a release. It puts things into perspective. Although I may not agree with all of Rosity's new policies I have to respect their right to do as they wish with their own site. I won't be visiting here as much as I used to because some of the threads are just plain pointless, the arguing, pettiness and bitchiness redundant, and not worth my time anymore. I've been coming here since '99 when it used to be a place of learning but now it's a place of constant and annoying contention. There are still merchants here that I have always purchased from and will continue to do so as long as they remain here but other than that, I'm no longer interested in what goes on here. There are other places to visit where people are civil to one another and disagreements are just that. Where people share what they love to do and enjoy it. Sometimes when I'm reading these threads it almost sounds like the teacher in the Charlie Brown cartoons in my head. Sometimes it just makes me want to scream. Then I look over to my husband's computer which sits next to mine, I see the blank screen, usually dark most of the time now, the empty chair and know I have better places to be, better things to do with my life and my time. My browser is then closed. I have enough pain in my life without having to come here and be bombarded by more of it. And so I open up Poser once again and lose myself in it for a little while. Getting back to posing. Thanks, Rosity, for the lessons I've learned here and thank you to the people who gave their time so willingly to teach them. You will be what I shall miss the most.

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Yeah, dialyn, expect the worst and you're never disappointed. end sarcasm As for the "respectful" requirement stated in the original post, well, so sorry, but MY respect is earned. The most anyone has a "right" to from me is civility and common courtesy. Respect? That costs ya a LOT more. Kate (don't bother banning me, I've banned myself)

Watching this thread with some amusement and I'm amazed it's taken "them" so long to get this far. Well, it was originally created for amusement for someone I consider "friend" but somehow it's far too suited as an opinion here. Seeing as I'm not actually saying anything, I wonder how long this will stay... and how long it'll be before I get a warning for rude gestures. Carefull people, that's a possibility you know. The thought police have arrived. Anyway, my own personal feelings regarding the "new" enforcement protocols.

There is someone, no names please, who seriously needs to take a good look in the mirror and cut the pretentious self-righteous condescending. It's disgusting and hypocritical, laughably so, and more importantly, does nothing to help the situation that this certain person criticizes. Quite the opposite. Xoconostle-thanks for putting into words what I was pretending not to say. Q-you have a license to fly that birdie? Oh well, maybe it's time to forget the forums and just come by for the freestuff. Don't open mouth, make everyone happy. Goddess forbid I use the brain She gave me and perhaps offend somebody. insert major sarcasm here

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You're already falling
It's calling you on to face the music.

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Xoconostle said: There is someone, no names please, who seriously needs to take a good look in the mirror and cut the pretentious self-righteous condescending. It's disgusting and hypocritical, laughably so, and more importantly, does nothing to help the situation that this certain person criticizes. Quite the opposite.

I have been watching this thread and biting my tongue. Thank you for stating what it appears I was not alone in thinking.

BTW, if you watch the other forums at all (like community center for example) you might notice that the ONE squeeky wheel seems to provide a lot of grease for things that happen in the poser forum.

I haven't been around for long so I don't know the history and dynamics of that, but it sure makes me go hmmmmmm.

OT doesn't bother me because I am capable of just skipping past the threads I do not wish to read. For example, I do not have poser 5 so I skip those threads as well. I certainly don't expect the poser forum to be split into P4, PPP, and P5 just because I'm incapable of skipping threads that do not pertain to something of interest to me.

If She Who Must Not Be Named (2 points if you can tell me what movie that is from) doesn't like the way things are run instead of dragging down the entire community perhaps she should start her own board and run it in any draconian way she sees fit and leave the rest of us adults to take care of ourselves here without all the unnecessary babysitting and hand slapping.

Ooo I agree about Voldemort.... :D

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ding ding ding...2 points to Caly. That is currently my favorite movie. I watch it at least once a day ;)

I'm unclear on something in the ToS post as well. Are all "violations" going to be treated in the same manner?

For example am I going to get a warning for posting something not directly related to poser in this thread?

On the upside if posting OT here now is indeed a warnable (is that a word) offense likely She Who Must Not Be Named will get 3 violations before most of the rest of us...unless of course she has immunity for all infractions from the PTB.

This is a VERY UNFORTUNATE direction that is being taken by Renderosity. If I offend somebody in the forum I'm always willing to apologize. If there are some uncivil jerks, well, that's the real world and we all have to deal with it. To suddenly have to "watch what I say" and "how I say it" is not a constraint I would ever have expected to find in here. (sigh)

OK, there ARE a few Trolls out there that just delight in being horrible. But they are few and far between. For the most part a few folks disagreeing about something is no big deal. It's only made a big deal when it's blown out of proportion and heavy-handedness ensues. Then those folks who would normally be rather pleasant get irked. For some reason I'm not getting any e-bots. :D

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pookah69 said: "To suddenly have to "watch what I say" and "how I say it" is not a constraint I would ever have expected to find in here. (sigh)" Ha! I would have. double-sigh It's been getting worse and worse around this place for a long time. Bullshit abounds among the admin - one wise man wondered (tongue-in-cheek) if RO has any toes left (from shooting them off). I think they've finally blown away the whole foot. I had already decided I didn't want to sell or buy here anymore, now I guess I just don't wanna be here AT ALL anymore. Fucking shame too - this USED to be a really great place before all the whining bawl babbies showed up and blew it for the rest of us. They are usually the one's who get their way too - they shrill the loudest. Why not just remove the damn discussion forums altogether if there are so many problems?? Squelching free speech and lively disagreements isn't gonna solve a damn thing. Laurie

There are alot of other forums out there that are helpful and might appeal to everyone. Two off the top of my head that I frequent and really enjoy are Sixus1's forum and also www.synergy3d.net Both really great. CheeriO! Gina

You know ..there's alot of talk in here about how this is renderositys little chunk of net space and they can do what they want....well i agree and disagree to a point. Rendo's powers that be decided to make this a public place where all types can gather and do whatever it is they do. If they dont want personality conflicts and arguments than i submit that they had bettter damn well make this a private club with a no-personality members only policy. While it is not socially acceptable for people to curse, scream and throw punches in public (at least in most places this side of jerry springer), no one who runs a public establishments can tell their patrons not to have lively and maybe sometimes loud discussions and ...gasp...even arguments about any subject they choose. And while there is always the one or two little whiny chumps in the corner who will run to managment and cry every chance they get, the majority of us rational thinkers are quite capable of governing our own behavior.

"There is someone, no names please, who seriously needs to take a good look in the mirror and cut the pretentious self-righteous condescending. It's disgusting and hypocritical, laughably so, and more importantly, does nothing to help the situation that this certain person criticizes. Quite the opposite."

I agree and this latest little "hand slap" should apply to her inciting as well.

I don't see the problem. People get into discussions and they express their opinions. Topic drifts happen in face to face conversations, it's bound to happen in a forum discussion. When a discussion is locked at the whim of a mod just because they have the key what they hell do they expect? That left unsaid will come out elsewhere again. This "problem" does not exist elsewhere where members are free to say what they want. Something to consider, eh?

But regardless, at least we adults do have one place to go.

...... Kendra

How many feet does Renderosity still have to shoot themelves in? They must be running out... (Poser. There you go, I said it, so the post is now officially Poser related)

ding ding ding...2 points to Caly No fair! It was coined to describe Ayesha in She (H. Rider Haggard) a century ago. Hence the lady's "name".... And after that, Rumpole used it as his pet name for his wife. Who the heck is Voldemort? M PS: Oh, nooooooo! I'm OT!!!!! I run for shelter!!!!

Voldemort is the "bad guy" in Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. They refer to him as He Who Must Not Be Named.

Actually, Ayesha (and Mrs Rumpole) were referred to as "She Who Must be Obeyed", not "Named." slaps self for being nitpicky

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Seems like everyone else is jumping on the sales bandwagon of this very popular forum thread, so what the heck.... Come discuss whatever you want about anything at all and start a Digital Art site the way *you* like it, where management actually listens!

'Voldemort is the "bad guy" in Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. They refer to him as He Who Must Not Be Named.' thats Philosphers stone ;) no such thing as the sorcerers stone ;)

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Well ok, but my copy of the movie is called Harry Potter and the Scorcer's Stone (see link) and they refer to it as the Sorcerer's stone in the movie as well /shrug

Khai is in the UK, in the UK it was called (both the movie and the book) The Philosophers Stone. It was only called the Sorcerer's Stone in the US. That is the confusion. No big, and man I gotta get me a life if I know all that! lol CheeriO! Gina

ah well that makes more sense then. I didn't realize there was more than one version. I believe the book is called Sorcerer's Stone over here too. I haven't read any of them yet.

I believe the film was renamed to "...Sorceror's Stone" as it was felt there would not be as much interest from American audiences in something with the word "Philosopher" in it. ...which, sad to say, has led to some snickering and feelings of superiority over here in the UK at you "lowbrow yanks" (j/k) OK guys, you may have Hollywood blockbusters, enormous fridges, and shopping malls the size of an English town, but us Brits aren't afraid of the word Philosopher! LOL

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This entire thread is OT, has noting to do with Poser, and should be moved to the OT forum or Community Center forum. This thread is all about Rosity. I've seem many threads pretaining to Rosity, slowness of Rosity, and other things pretaining to Rosity moved to the OT forum or Community Center. If they want to crack down one the Poser forum, they can prove they want to do that by moving this thread. Otherwise, they should just give it up.

jeeze yup. in the US it's called Sorcerer. The rest of the world, it's Philosopher. The book, before the movie came out in the US, was Philosopher. In History, Alchemists looked for the Philosophers Stone, the stone that could turn base metals to gold and extned life. Hence my comment that there is no sorcerers stone. Blame some idiots in the movies that seem to think that ppl in the US are morons with no IQ for changing something that did not need to be changed at all.

Personally after having paid big bucks for poser, and still learning how to get the best out of it, I have learned to take the rough with the smooth, put two people in a room you can have an argument, 3 ,a riot and 4 a party. I love the content here, i've had great help over the last year, and looking forward to more. All I am saying, is give peace a chance

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Some people really need to chill and stop trying to control things to their liking. Or do you go to a party and try to control all the discussions around you?

"I believe the film was renamed to "...Sorceror's Stone" as it was felt there would not be as much interest from American audiences in something with the word "Philosopher" in it."

I find it interesting that they do that. I have two versions of one of my favorite books, one published in the US and one in the UK. There were differences that the UK publishers asked her to change that I found amusing. One of which was a disclaimer that the characters use of herbal remedies shouldn't be tried by the average person. (as if someone would try to grow their own penicillin after reading a piece of fiction) :)

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