PheonixRising opened this issue on Jan 29, 2004 ยท 72 posts
PheonixRising posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 1:06 AM
-Anton, creator of
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PheonixRising posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 1:07 AM
Just in case adding nudity tag.
-Anton, creator of
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Xena posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 1:27 AM
Fab joints you say? Think you're understating it somewhat there mister ;) That knee bend especially is brilliant!
PheonixRising posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 1:34 AM
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
PheonixRising posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 1:51 AM
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
Fashionably_Late posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 2:06 AM
I think he looks pretty impressive even without textures! Great elbows, they're always one of my pet peeves when it comes to posing most figures... I know you're still working on the feet, to me they need to be a bit thicker depth-wise. Had to sculpt a foot out of clay once in art school, boy was that a daunting task... anyhow, can't wait to see more of Maximus, he's looking superb!
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lobo75 posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 2:11 AM
anytime you need some peeps to work on some textures Anton, hit me up.
L.
soulhuntre posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 2:28 AM
He is looking really good Anton, the joints are awesome and the mesh seems to handle deformation really well.
Staby posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 3:02 AM
Very impressive Anton! I'm looking forward to see the morphs. Staby
PheonixRising posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 3:57 AM
lol yeah me too. :) I am dying to tear into morphs but still tweaking mesh. I have some really killer things planned. This version isn't mirrored yet so that left foot is the older one. Still shaping foot but I agree it is too flat still. Lobo, I will be in touch for sure.
-Anton, creator of
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neftis posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 6:09 AM
Oh this is very impressive (As always) I really like the shape of the shoulders, and also the little details of the musculature.Sometimes it isn't much that makes a huge difference! You rock Anton! I wish I had your knowledge about joints tweeking! I am still fighting with Elle joints... I agree for the feet to flat, but it's easy to fix that. Can't wait to see the final version and some morphs. Again, excellent work!
AprilYSH posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 6:25 AM
Hey Anton, looking great :) just watch the flattening of the thigh just above the knee bend there - the poser 4 figures did that really bad. I would also like to see a tiny bit of tendon detailing on the top of the hands like the hi res hand figures in poser 4. None of the full figures ever had them looking as realistic and I haven't found morphs to make them look right. Can't wait to see your morphs either! Keep having fun! :)
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Niles posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 8:14 AM
Great Work, looking good... keep us posted.
Morris posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 8:17 AM
Looks awesome!!! There are a lot of female figures, we need a male for sure! Thank you for sharing your progress with us!
Lyrra posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 11:09 AM
Just the way this figure moves is lovely. this is a good neutral base to morph from too ...easy to make thinner or larger without fighting built in problems. Mike 1 is too beefy and Mike 3 too angular. Neck is a good length, head is the right size (according to classical measures) ...I'm happy. Whats the polycount/file size? and will there be a lores version as well (handy for crowd shots) Map this fella Anton and let the texturists get to work :)
PheonixRising posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 2:44 PM
Lyrra he is roughly 40,000 polygons. I don't really plan to do any lower res versions since generally the damand doesn't equal the work involved. Maybe sosmeday but not now.
-Anton, creator of
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aurick posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 2:46 PM
I am very impressed with him, as well. I think you're dead-on with your intent to keep the mesh simple and build the character through morphs. Provided that there's enough geometry to support a variety of morphs, there's really no limit to what can be accomplished for him. I think it will also make the figure more resource-friendly, since the artist can put detail only where he needs it. Can't wait to see more!
PapaBlueMarlin posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 3:49 PM
I agree that he looks very impressive... can't wait to see the head morphs. Keep up the good work ;)
Laurie S posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 4:21 PM
He is beautiful, moves like a dream, and the joints are amazing! I can not wait for the morphs ;-).
ronstuff posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 6:30 PM
Anton, he looks great, and I think you have targeted a good polygon count. I think this one will finally be the universal man we have always wanted :-)
Ghostofmacbeth posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 6:37 PM
Looks good Anton
ElorOnceDark posted Thu, 29 January 2004 at 9:32 PM
He's looking very nice Anton! I'm looking forward to seeing him with textures. And thank you SOOOOO much for "no JCM's"! Man they are a pain in the arse! A modeller's bane if you ask me!
PheonixRising posted Fri, 30 January 2004 at 1:50 AM
Yeah they aren't much good when noone puts them in clothes anyway. I'll keep ya posted. Trying to get an direct answer from Daz on which of Studio's figure rigging procedures, aside from the standard Poser switchover method, they are going to keep private to themselves only. Wish me luck.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
DigiCalimero posted Fri, 30 January 2004 at 4:51 AM
I think it's great that DAZ is getting some serious competition:) It's a very good model I think, you can see a personality behind the polys:) The one thing that strikes me a bit odd is that his body in certain areas looks a little "melted". The abdomen is so defined, yet his chest looks very clean. I think that if his abdomen and upper arms are going to be so defined, then he should look a bit more chiselled (the thighs, shins, chest, neck). But perhaps you have already modelled for that and it's just not showing for now.
ElorOnceDark posted Fri, 30 January 2004 at 10:50 AM
Good luck Anton! Keep us posted.
Lyrra posted Fri, 30 January 2004 at 11:41 AM
a 'softer' less defined base is easier to morph in both directions ... muscular and slender. Have you ever tried getting rid of Mike1's boobs? yah? its an incredible pain. With the softness of detail on the base, and with the higher polygon count and I'm certain Anton has put extra polys where they will be needed (right Anton?) I think this chap will be easier to work with than many models we've had in the past. Also, all the fancy gizmo's in the world mean nothing if nobody knows how to use or support the bloody things.
PheonixRising posted Fri, 30 January 2004 at 4:12 PM
I think textures, morphs, and bumps will make the difference. It can be odd looking at a solid colored statue. I really don't want to do the 70,000 polygons models people claim cause their computer's to chug so badly.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
shadownet posted Fri, 30 January 2004 at 8:17 PM
Anton, very impressive. Looks like the makings of a real winner. I'm noting in particular how smooth the bending of the joints appears.
PheonixRising posted Fri, 30 January 2004 at 8:30 PM
Thanks. There are always distortions and pulls in Poser but his range of moevement is quite advanced so far. Hoping to start Uv mapping tonight or tomorrow. This is the current process I am following 1) Collect reference data (done) 2) Design polygon flow and hierarchy (done) 3) Test and prove figure design (done) 4) Create base mesh at low res (done) 5) Subdivide base mesh, clean up and create cr2 with base joints (done) 5) Refine alpha shape and joints (done) 6) Add/splice in support parts like bodyhandles (done) 7) UV mapping (tonight or tomorrow) 8) Reference map and final shape/joint tweak (next week) --Base figure complete-- 9) Morphs 10) Final textures and poses 11) Hair and clothes 12) Release
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
PapaBlueMarlin posted Fri, 30 January 2004 at 8:58 PM
Very exciting... let us know more as the figure continues to develop :)
fauve posted Fri, 30 January 2004 at 10:16 PM
OMG, a Poser figure that has shoulders which are correct and well-shaped instead of the usual bent-pipe bulging monstrosities! Anton, I could kiss you. Maximus looks amazing. When he makes his debut, I am so there.
Little_Dragon posted Sat, 31 January 2004 at 12:08 AM
Bodyhandles? Which, uh, parts are getting bodyhandles?
PapaBlueMarlin posted Sat, 31 January 2004 at 12:20 AM
I would assume the body handles would be for the joints, maybe that's how Anton's getting away with not having to worry about JMC's.
PheonixRising posted Sat, 31 January 2004 at 1:25 AM
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
PheonixRising posted Sat, 31 January 2004 at 1:28 AM
Basically the handles allow for flesh movement instead of relying solely on morphs. Examples: -Ability to lift pecs up and down without morphs -Bulging biceps and hahstrings without morphs -Allowing tesicles and ears to pose ehile keeping the area one structire so it is still easy for people to do morphs.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
PheonixRising posted Sat, 31 January 2004 at 1:35 AM
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
PapaBlueMarlin posted Sat, 31 January 2004 at 1:40 AM
very cool :)
ablc posted Sat, 31 January 2004 at 2:36 AM
Hey anton, great job with him, but you forget some points in your post number 29, between 11 and 12: 11.1 Lw rigging 11.2 Saslite hair creation .... Just kidding but I keep thinking there is a market for him in LW users here, or in general.... have a good weekend
PheonixRising posted Sat, 31 January 2004 at 2:47 AM
lol. I you know anyone with experience in this or fbx please have them contact me. I asked before but noone responded.
-Anton, creator of
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"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
judith posted Sat, 31 January 2004 at 5:06 AM
Can't wait to see this one finished, he looks great!
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ElorOnceDark posted Sat, 31 January 2004 at 1:34 PM
Hey Anton, I hope it doesn't come back to haunt you for showing it, but the separate joint material zones is a great idea! Very nice of you to look out for the newbies.
PapaBlueMarlin posted Sat, 31 January 2004 at 8:08 PM
This pic should give you a good ideas of what the hairline might look like.
PheonixRising posted Sat, 31 January 2004 at 8:17 PM
the hairline material on the mil figyres were to remove poke-tru on hair and hat props when scaling isn't friendly. I have ideas for hair and stuff i am designing. Thanks for the suggestion.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
PheonixRising posted Sat, 31 January 2004 at 10:48 PM
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
PapaBlueMarlin posted Sat, 31 January 2004 at 11:19 PM
Very cool... that is something I would never thought of :)
quinlor posted Sun, 01 February 2004 at 7:28 AM
Mmm, I dislike all this additional material zones. The make tweaking the material settings a pain, and I always tweak my shaders for every render, it makes so much of a difference. I strongly would prefer a few big material zones and a set of simple black and white maps that can be used as transmaps and to blend different shaders. Easier to use and more powerful and versatile. All these material zones where just a work around for the primitive material system of P4 and just make the life difficult in P5. The may be good for quick, one click, changes, but for really working out the materials of an character, the hurt more than they help, IMHO. Great modeling and joint work, looking forward to the finished product. Like the fact that the base shapes are more neutral than usually, that will make morphing a joy. Stefan
PheonixRising posted Sun, 01 February 2004 at 3:33 PM
That's an idea. I will consider the maps instead though people may not want large areas as transparent dots. The above zones are only three named: ElbowJoints, KneeJoints, and ArmpitJoints. I will keep what you said in mind though.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
quinlor posted Sun, 01 February 2004 at 3:43 PM
Oh yes, these stupid dots. One of the things that make poser less fun to use as it could be.
soulhuntre posted Sun, 01 February 2004 at 7:32 PM
Personally, I think more material zones are a good thing, the flexability is very useful. What we need is a Python tool that will let us select a material zone as a source and then one or more material zones as a target and then set the targets to match the source. Even the standard Vicki is a pain in the ass to experiment with, so something like this is needed anyway.
PheonixRising posted Sun, 01 February 2004 at 9:54 PM
What I have always wanted is the ability to select polygons and toggle them hidden or visible without need for materials.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
quinlor posted Mon, 02 February 2004 at 3:48 AM
Soulhuntre, I have contemplated to write such a script myself many times, but it seem that the P5 shader trees are not exposed to phyton. And the workarounds of writing temporary pose files seems a little bit to messy for my tastes. It is a shame: This program has this very powerful scripting language and this great shader system and they are not connected. Stefan
PheonixRising posted Mon, 02 February 2004 at 6:28 AM
sigh. Typical overlook of something obvious. Probably due to the plug-in approach of the new features and the rush to release prevented proper intergration. Shame.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
soulhuntre posted Mon, 02 February 2004 at 12:53 PM
" have contemplated to write such a script myself many times, but it seem that the P5 shader trees are not exposed to phyton." That is confusing as there are Python scripts available in freestuff that manipulate the P5 shader system - one cleanes out all the unused maps and so on that get left behind and I forget what the other does. Maybe they can provide some hints to the integration?
PapaBlueMarlin posted Tue, 03 February 2004 at 1:32 AM
are some of the python scripts going to be part of DAZ Studio?
PheonixRising posted Tue, 03 February 2004 at 1:47 AM
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
PheonixRising posted Tue, 03 February 2004 at 1:49 AM
PS some areas (not shown) are not part of this image cuz I haven't done them yet.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
soulhuntre posted Tue, 03 February 2004 at 7:52 AM
Looking good :)
PheonixRising posted Wed, 04 February 2004 at 1:58 AM
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
Tintifax posted Wed, 04 February 2004 at 2:35 AM
Well, you can switch polygons on and off, if they are in a separate group, but to make a seperate body part for elbows and knees may not be a good idea. Looks exceptionally good. Can't await to see this textured.
PheonixRising posted Wed, 04 February 2004 at 3:38 AM
No the elbows and knees aren't seperate parts, just materials. Was just saying a polygon visibility toggle would be nice tool in Poser.
-Anton, creator of
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Silverleif-Studios posted Wed, 04 February 2004 at 6:40 AM
Mapping looks great Anton! Perhaps you could distribute two versions, a low material version and a high material version...maps would be the same for both, only difference would be the extra zones for people wishing to cloth him...personally I like him naked so a low material version would suit me just fine :)~
PheonixRising posted Wed, 04 February 2004 at 6:50 AM
Might cause havoc confusing people with MAT poses for the wrong version. I also don't like too many materials so I will keep that in mind. A male doesn't need as many os a girl so there won't be too many anyway. Thanks for the ideas and words of support.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
PheonixRising posted Wed, 04 February 2004 at 10:11 AM
pS: Ignore that error on that one foot on the last template. lol. My mistake but is fixed. hehe
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
Lyrra posted Wed, 04 February 2004 at 1:13 PM
Not to ask an indelicate question .... is he going to have a conforming penis figure like M3? or the standard hip switching thing?
PheonixRising posted Wed, 04 February 2004 at 1:43 PM
lo. no the penis is attached like real guys. Files will be provided to hide it or tuck it but it is attached. :)
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
Neo10 posted Wed, 04 February 2004 at 8:48 PM
The hands maping the hands!! Thats my fav part .
Neo10 posted Wed, 04 February 2004 at 8:50 PM
And great ass lol
PheonixRising posted Mon, 01 March 2004 at 2:29 PM
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PheonixRising posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 2:10 PM
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Cencellation post. Sorry to all. it just wasn't meant to be.-Anton, creator of
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mabfairyqueen posted Thu, 29 April 2004 at 7:58 PM
The leg bend joints look good. I also like the mapping template. How do the arms look raised over the head in various ways? That would be cool to see. :)
PheonixRising posted Thu, 29 April 2004 at 8:03 PM
Mab, Check out the other threads. There are some pics there if these don't answer your question.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
mabfairyqueen posted Thu, 29 April 2004 at 9:14 PM
Do you have links handy?