maybe are you interested so here are the settings.. you can create really fantastic effects, I will show you in the next image something very "fur" funny effect..

Cath

P.S how smaller the render so high the setting of displacement maps, so bigger the render so smaller the amount of displacement maps for the wet fur effect above..

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here are the 1/4 fragment of the displacement map, create 3000x3000 template and fill it with the fragment above..

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:)

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HAHA! These are great!! Nice work with the materials. Displacement in P5 is a much overlooked power-feature.

I use smooth polygos rendering feature to get it looks better in bigger renders.. there i so much variation for this option unlimited effects.. I don't use in Poser5 bump map anymore displacement give me better effect but is very sensitive as you know.. also the diffuse that catch the light on the right places is great option.. with this you can get rid of shadows sometimes for more real looking surfaces.. Cath

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Excellent! Great work you are doing there. The only other software that I know of that can do micropoly displacement as good as this is 3dsMax, but you need a rendering plugin like Vray. I mean, almost all 3D software has displacement now, but I'm very surprised with the level of detail Poser5 (firefly) can get.

I use also formZ RadioZity there is amazing displacement option, the best is that you can export the model deformed after adding the displacement map.. that is really cool.. Poser5 firefly have great options as well, you can create almost every material you wish.. I use very much diffuse maps, you don't need so much light and shadows this speed your rendering very much.. in some settings it make self the materials looking little transparent however they are not, for example the cloth above, it is just hard square but it looks soft, now adding the displacement map and velvet shader it will make from it fatnastic material and real too..

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poser5's displacement features are really great. They suffer from a bug in the firefly renderer though : the shadows are reversed (which has no impact on furs BTW). I hope they'll fix this in SR4.

wonder if they even know about that?

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

they looks like they are reversed but they give the corect shadow and that what you see are not shadows, I know what you mean I saw the topic last time but this is only illusion of our eyes and not for real. if you use displacement map you have to use diffiuse maps to make this works correct. here some color fur, not textures oly the same maps as above with some color.. the fur looks much more real but after reduce of the size it lost the best effect..

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:) used still the same displacement maps as I posted above only on 3000x3000

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We've gotten good results for fur using the cellular node in place of an image map. Image maps do give a great deal of control for this, however, as you can 'paint' noise into them that can be translated into patches of fur so you're not limited to all fur or no fur. I would LOVE to see more threads out there exploring this use of displacement, as well as possibly some which might delve into the use of the math nodes with gradients and other features, especially in conjunction with animation.

That is very good. The displacement mapping would be good for things like lizard skin and crocodile skin effects, it would look good on the poser dragons etc.

I saw today that you get better effect with very small lines as with noise, that why I scaled the image maps, this is huge but better as the noise self, with the lines you the the smooth effect of it, when I turn the background to black and used the black fur it was still very well visible, also with animation it works amazing, I think much better that still renders, I used all the option maps that Nvidia have in own demo with a bear, every model need own separate effect, here is also very important using the maps that the UV's are perfect other it will not working right.. Poser5 have so much things that we don't use at all, and you can do really fantastic things without to spend your time on post production that really are not 3D on the end..

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Just a FYI... the image posted isn't square, and if you stretch it into 3000x3000, you'll distort the image. I just took it into photoshop, and sacling the x to 3000 scaled the y to 3150 I think... Question... if we we to use a partial of this on a outfit, say for fax fur trim, is the black raised, or is the white raised? (In other words, should the displacement map be filled with white or black first? And then add the new displacement map where you want it displaced.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

everything what is black will stay the same and everything what is gray will displaced, so if you create a displacement map for a outfit you need to creat first a black map then add the noise in the places where you want it displaced.. see good the setting on the blue fur, how bigger the map (much small details) so better the fur... don't foget to plug in the fur displacement map into alternate diffuse to get rid of the dark areas and let the fur catch the right light.. if you don't do this you will see wrong shadows ;) you can use smooth polygons option in rendering too.

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ok I tested everything right now and discovered this one, it works best of the all.. create new 3000x3000 maps in photoshop, and fill with the fragment above, save and plugin.. noise are good but with this you get real nice fur..

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the setting for the maps above

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Here is an example how poser 'see' black and white in displacement maps. Mazak

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And here the map. The prop has only one polygon. Mazak

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Bodo, how you get this so smooth? what are the settings??

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It's simple, use the displace image as texture too. Mazak

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This is my first attempt of making pubic hair. What do you think?

oh thanks.. btw to change the color of the "hairs" fur plug the displacement into the color maps and apply the color, so only the end of the fur get the color and the rest stay the same here my new winter Boots lol

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The settings (Do I have to set nudity flag for this too? I'am showing poser without clothes... LOL)

HeHeHe... The new Rendrosity Family Police will watch ;-) Mazak

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lol

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I just wish we could define the angle at which it extrudes. Making the "fur" lay flat would be an excellent enhancement.

Little Dragon, the angle is defined by the geometry. The angle of the polys. What you are asking for is better done with dynamics like the hair room. The hair room can also be used to make fur, but will take longer to render and will tax your CPU quite much. But that's the way to go if you want fur with dynamic properties.

Mec, could you post another image of the color change by plugging in the color setting? I don't "get : what that does. Maybe another color map can even completly be imported as well for this?

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

yes you can change the color or just import another color map into Diffuse_Color see message 24, there I plugin the displacement maps into the diffue_color and change the color to blue-gray and as you see only the hair points changed the color and not the total fur..

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that pic came out pretty dark here. I'll load it into photoshop, and lighten it up some.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

Little Dragon, the angle is defined by the geometry.

Yes, I know ... derived from the surface normals. But I was wondering if perhaps the displacement feature could be rewritten to support angle_offset values or something.

Probably wouldn't be a high priority for the CL programmer(s), even if it's possible.

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Maybe it would work better if you used a line-noise map, rather than a dot-noise map. Like the kind of image you get with Eye Candy fur function. Do one of those, then greyscale it and use it for the displacement channel. I think Stewer did a tutorial on this a few months ago.

The P5 renderer is really wonderful, and hardly discovered yet. I've been playing with the alternate diffuse slot and probelight feature to experiment with "faking" a GI look by softening the darkened diffuse area. It's nothing like having REAL global illumination at your disposal, but it's amazing how close you could come in simulating the look using just one or two poser lights in the scene. You don't even have to use any lights at all with probelight actually, as Stewer pointed out in one of his threads a while ago..

Great stuff! -jjsemp

But HOW do I have to rescale the "fragment" posted above? It's 800/800 px and I've tried to stretch it to 3000/3000 but the results are terrible - even if I use your settings from above. :-(((

A 3000 pixel picture is not needed! Poser5 can tile a texture map. See the U_Scale V_Scale in Catharinas Posting #11. Its easier to make the fur dense and keep the texture small ;-) Mazak

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you don't have to rescale the fragment above, you have to fill the new 3000x3000 maps with the fragment... I made well small one and tried to rescale with Poser5 settings but I don't got the right effect that why I used the new displacement map on 3000x3000 and was everything fine, how more details so better the fur.. the line-noise map is what I was talking about, that why I rescale the very hight exture to get the effect.. to big details will create a wet fur and we don't need it on all surfaces..

I used here my own reworked M1 low resolution model and I added the settings above to the body of this character that simulate a fur cloth and is really great in animations, it render faster that still images.. I use also 200 buffer for rendering to get rid of the black lines sometimes, displacement map use aslo very much Ram, so how lower the model so better the effect..

cath

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I use also velvet node to get the right color of the hair , the skin will not affected by , if you set the velvet base color to black and the shine to white the fur will catch the scene light as well, what is so good about the light velvet node that it will visible aslo on black scenes and if you don't use it you will see not much from this effect..

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now imagine a black cat in dark scene ;))

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Cath, why did you delete the posting with your first fur displacement map? Mazak

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because was to huge and the website change own format you can't read anything lol the post was with a example of a "wet" displacement map for that create just big noise :))

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Oh, it has made a very nice displacement on the frottee frog. Mazak

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what about this idea? not really art but in 5 min you can get top ideas :)) it is weekend so why not! try with your Girilla

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:) plugin the color map into the color diffuse plugi the displacemernt map into displacement, don't scale the head map becasue will not working. if you use only a parts with displacement maps you can't scale them.. use always BLACK color as background for your displacement maps, never gray it will damage the look.. use low gray colors you can controle it in the materials room if is to dark..

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the frottee frog is an alien mazak hahahaha I used the new maps from message number: 17 for it was the best

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the ebst part of it is that how bigger the renders so smaller the fur, it works the same wayas the hair room, if I render small images I use not to much hair the same here with the displacement maps, very low amouth of noises for bigger renders works perfect ..

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