If it was to somewhere else it might have been cute. Being that I am one of those people who hate having my browser highjacked, can we please not have any more of that? Now Audrey, shame on you. :) It was cute but kinda swarmy too. Anton

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i thought it was just me,was getting worried..lol.

Messing with people's browser's is way uncool to me personally. I don't know Audrey but will always think of this now when I see her name.

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somehow I think it was her banned husband Dodger that did the redirect. just another warm fuzzy I feel here. Pisses me off more that others have posted in the thread but everytime I try and read those posts I get redirected.

just hit "stop" in your browser as soon as you click on the thread. Shame. I liked dodger too. seems childish.

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Dodger's been posting as "Audrey" since he was banned. I agree, it's very childish Coldrake

I hope this doesn't make me sound dumb, but I didn't think people could do that type of stuff anymore in the forum code. Now I did accidently make all the subject headers in the forum bright blinking yellow years ago, but that was a complete accident. Doing it on purpose just makes me uncomfortable..very uncomfortable. Anton "don't judge people by how they treat you when they like you...judge them by how they treat others when they are angry. They will treat you that way eventually. They'll just need a reason to justify it"

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I agree. like the quote too.

I assume he's got a new ip address or is using someone elses computer, but it's dodger. Coldrake

No, I'm Dodger's wife. And I'm quite capable of simple DHTML.

Dodger was banned? The lightsaber guy? Sheesh, I must visit Renderosity five times a day and I never hear about these things...probably because there are too many darn forums. ;) SnowS

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Dodger was banned? The lightsaber guy? Sheesh, I must >> visit Renderosity five times a day and I never >> hear about these things... Whom a community choses to vanish tells you a great deal about the PTB. An even better indicator of their values is how they vanish the undesired. Welcome to Buenos Aires. The population is thinning. M

I don't know the reason but that browser re-direction stunt won't earn alot of sympathy.

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I imagine if _Dodger were planning anything, it would be a lot more complex than that. Possibly a lot more final, as well. I mean, Dodger was making his own site, wasn't he? And from scratch as I recall, not just a PHPBB site. I think he was writing it in python or something. _Audrey is probably telling the truth. Unless, of course, it was merely a distraction and not the entirety of the plan. Or then maybe he or she or both are counting on people to assume that it's not the entirety of the plan and react. And then the reaction, which would presumably be perfectly choreographed without the dancers knowing, would in effect be all or a part of the 'more complex' plan.

I don't know the reason but that browser re-direction stunt won't earn alot of sympathy. No, look over at Poser Pros and 3-Darena. It already did.

lol. gee. Username created tonight within the past few hours. Dodger is that you? This is getting wierd. I just didn't like being forced to a site I didn't choose to go to.

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Hijacking people's browsers is not cool, no matter how mad you are. If they wanted to be at Poser Pros, they would type in the URL and go to Poser Pros. I don't like being kidnapped, and I don't like malicious code. If it were my forum, someone's butt would be banned for interfering with its function, so if that's what happens, don't expect any sympathy from me. We are all supposed to be adults here. Would the few individuals who are having trouble acting like it please either try harder or just leave? Thank you.

WHAT post by Audrey? I can't find it, anyone have a link? And I didn't know Dodger was banned...I thought he left on his own accord?

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ALso, that tread in question has been removed from the Renderosity Site! Dee-Marie

Oh it was kind of amusing. That is not malicious coding or browser hi-jacking. It was a simple re-direction. You should see what malicious coding can do. evilgrin

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I know this is going to come across as needless gossip (so what else is new here? LOL) but according to Renderosity staff at the time, _dodger was given a 7-day suspension, not a ban. A mod even stepped in to publicly say that _dodger was welcome to come back after the 7-day period. A whole bunch of us expressed appreciation for _dodger's contributions, but for whatever reasons, he didn't come back, at least not as himself. :-) There are plenty of reasons why people believe that _Audrey is actually _dodger. I for one don't care, but find it amusing to consider. I'm not sure what you were referring to, PheonixRising, but if it was this site, _Audrey has been here for at least a couple of months. Originally I thought the redirect was a funny and clever form of protest, but after reading all the objections I can see why it would offend or bother people. It might have ticked me off if I were in a different mood. Nobody likes being deceived, and of course issues of internet security are heavily on our minds these days. On the other hand, at least we weren't redirected to something disgusting or malicious. Ah, well, chalk it up as one of the more memorable Renderosity antics. Sorry I missed those blinking yellow headers. I can't imagine how that could happen on accident, but I'll bet it was a shocking sight! :-)

I've busted Dodger posting as Audrey before in the OT forum. A lot of people do that kind of thing. I love it when people post very unique and specific diatribes. Then do it under a different name and don't expect anyone to notice it. Silly humans. -ScottA

Audrey's prank didn't bother me at all; I just figured it was another dumb attempt at fighting the 'evil thought police' that everyone over at Poserpros thinks run this place. What does bother me is what they're always saying about Renderosity over at Poserpros. "Gestapo-sity", endless comparisons to Orwell's 1984 and Nazis...come on. I've been here for years, had many disagreements, and have never been warned or banned - but maybe that's because I don't purposely post images that violate the TOS or run around the forums trying to fight the power like a little Legume. I honestly don't think Renderosity is taking away anyone's artistic freedom or their right to disagree with these new rules; they're just trying to keep everything civil. I really don't want to take sides here because I try to provide free stuff for people to use no matter what forum they support. However, the animosity towards Renderosity that is so prevalent at Poserpros is also one of the reasons why I don't participate in their forums. Their attitude towards us on Renderosity is no less of a problem than anything going on here. Thanks for your time, take care. SnowS

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I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

SnowS,

You should avoid using over-generalizations.

Instead, pay a little more attention to whom is doing the R'osity bashing and wonder why they may be doing it. Some have very legitimate issues with R'osity stemming from histories the casual Member may not be aware of. Some just do it for fun. Instead of refraining from posting there, perhaps you should try to find out why people post what they post? Perhaps, by finding out the reasons behind the actions, you will understand the animosity a little better.

I am not a frequent poster at PoserPros, but over the years I have been a Member of the community-at-large, I have taken the time to sit, discuss, and listen to find out the truth behind some actions. Knowing only half the story can be deceiving.

xoconostle, I had put code int he subject line and at the time(years ago) it reset all the forum subject lines. I had wanted a word to blink yellow. I assume it has since been fixed. :)

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Dodger left Renderosity 8/23/03 - he had a goodbye thread that has been archived and restricted, possibly in accord with some TOS rule about libellous content. I think he was complaining about the new merchants vs. the old merchants or something, and was trying to find a new host somewhere, because the old host disappeared. Since then, Audrey has appeared in most threads mentioning dodger, as his spokesman. I didn't get the browser redirect, but there was a guy here who was trying to get them to fix their form security issues and I guess they haven't fixed them yet. I don't know how these guys hack the forums, but it may be impossible to fix the problem, and they may need to use a secure UBS or BBS instead, if any exists.

Mateo, I am confused by tyour subject line. Audey admitted it above and we all saw the post before it was deleted.

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I'm the one that insinuated that the Audrey post was done by Dodger. I didn't know Audrey knew how to do that, sorry it was a reactionary assumption. The redirect post upset me as I didn't know that could be done, and I don't know how to do it so I asummed too much. Sorry about that.

I agree with SnowSultan Lots of talent at PP, lots of Gestaposity stuff. yawn ~S

Snowsultan, do you actually visit and read the Poserpros forums regularly? As far as I can tell Dodger only became truly vocal at Poserpros after the looking up nose incident over here. shrug Many people are members of many forums. What is the paranoia with Poserpros? I swear, they're like the new Clintons- it's ALL his/their fault. lol If Renderosity didn't keep messing up people wouldn't have anything to post against it. Willful blindness strikes me as very sad. Well I have to go read many other forums including Daz's, 3DArena, Rendervisions, RDNA, Poserpros etc... As I don't consider myself a member of just ONE forum, though in some forums most animals are created equal... ;)

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I thought it was against the TOS to attack other sites and their members in a forum, or does that only work in reverse?

The liver is evil - It must be punished.

This "them vs us" needs reigning in. Some (I dare say most) of the "them" are also part of the "us" here as well. You do not have freedom of speech here. You do there. It stands to reason that if someone has a legitimate gripe, "there" is the only safe place to discuss it.

...... Kendra

"Willful blindness strikes me as very sad."

Hmmm. Well, willful shit-stirring strikes me as pathetic. But hey, I guess somebody's got to do it.

I know all this has been stated once or twice before in this thread..... The post has been removed. It was pretty simple browser redirect. Nothing scary. Most people use HTML in threads the proper way. It would be a shame to have all the HTML stripped from the forums,because of a few people misusing it. OK, before someone jumps on me for this, no one is threating to remove the ability to use HTML. But, I can see where this could end up. BTW, lets try to keep this thread from turning ugly. I'm not accusing anyone, :-) I'd just rather not see a discussion locked. No, I'm not threating to lock it.. maybe I should write up a disclaimer to add to each post.

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Everyone knows the routine...You get mad at Renderosity, leave or get booted and then sign up at PoserPros. :) Is anyone that suprised. I think disgruntled Rendo people get a welcome kit. :) Nowhere else for them to go so it makes sense the resentment is piling up in one place. But it is good to have a place to go to vent and cool off sometimes if you don't have someone to talk to. Freedom of speech in any store foum is an illusion. You only post what the owners allow. That applies to Renderosity, PoserPros, Daz, etc. These are all privately held companies and forums. These are all forums "for the community to use". None of them are "community" forums. Theye exist to drive and keep traffic circling around the stores. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but I think alot of people would get less upset if they remembered that the people who own their forums can do what they want them free of explainations or apologies.

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Cyberstretch, it was not my intention to lump and label all Poserpros members together as troublemakers or instigators. I apologize if it came across that way. >>If Renderosity didn't keep messing up people wouldn't have anything to post against it.<< Caly, the problem I have with Poserpros is that it seems to have become a place where everyone who hates Renderosity (for whatever reason) can get together and badmouth us here. Anton is exactly right when he says that disgruntled Renderosity members practically get a welcome kit over there. I know that Poserpros has many on-topic forums and that most of it's members are also members here (including myself). There are also things about Poserpros that I do enjoy (the store is nice and members do support each other quite well). My complaint is that a number of those members are continually making Renderosity out to be a corrupt, emotionless organization that never does anything right. I have never heard anyone on Poserpros say anything positive about Renderosity, and that's what I don't care for. This is shaping up to be like what led to the old PFO split, and we don't need to damage the community further. SnowS

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I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

OK, I put on my "official" jackboots. (sarcasm intended) and am wearing my official black armband as well. (sarcasm intended) "This forum serves by assisting members with Renderosity issues such as FAQs, updates, ideas, improvements, events, navigation, feature use, and general site questions." If you want to discuss the pro's and cons of different sites, take it to the OT forum. This isn't the appropriate forum. None of this is new, as PheonixRising pointed out. I read enough forum at various sites very day. If ya want to do the "dead horse thing" There's plenty of room in the OT forum for that.

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"I have never heard anyone on Poserpros say anything positive about Renderosity, and that's what I don't care for."

Sorry SnowS, but you obviously haven't read it all over there. I have voiced support and positive comments about Renderosity when it's how I feel, as have others.

...... Kendra

Crosspost. But I do want to use this as an example. You want everyone to play nice but when someone states what I consider a falsehood/misrepresentation regardless of intent, to play "nice" is to let it go. To discuss is to point out the facts as I did above. And what I posted above is not a TOS violation. Unless dissagrements of any kind whatsoever is a TOS violation.

...... Kendra

I've supported Renderosity there too, but that hasn't stopped me bitching when I think there's something wrong, like I would about any site. It's called free speech.

The liver is evil - It must be punished.

"Sorry SnowS, but you obviously haven't read it all over there" Fine. I really don't want to have to wade through all the Renderosity bashing to find the few like you though. As this is going nowhere, I'll just say that was merely my opinion and let this go. Thanks for sharing your views as well. SnowS

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I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

"Fine. I really don't want to have to wade through all the Renderosity bashing to find the few like you though."

Whatever. There's not nearly as much of that as people like to make it seem. But you're right, opinions definitely differ.

...... Kendra

Kendra, it is probably the 5 or so posts on just the first page of General Discussion that give people that impression. I think even if it is a minority, that stuff kinda stands out from the rest. -------- "Grudges are often nurtured like children, but, like children, you someday have to let them go."

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Lol. Especially if you're looking for them. :) There's several now, yes. Mainly because there's been a lot to talk about lately what with copyright discussions and the apparent babysitting going on. Consider though, it's 5 on a page of 60 different threads in only one of 30+ forums. :)

...... Kendra

I, for one, defend Renderosity over at Poserpros. I will continue to do so.

I don't agree with many of the statements that are made about Renderosity. They know that over there. Renderosity is an excellent site with superb resources: of both helpful information and helpful personnel.

I will defend Renderosity. Both here, and over there.

But, I remain a member of PP. And in spite of my apologia for Rendo, they haven't assaulted me en masse yet.

My suggestion: tone down the rhetoric a bit, and defend one's site with a touch of reason. Attempt to be at least semi-nice to people, and one might convince a few. I know that this isn't always possible. Believe me, I know.

But -- scream at them, and you will lose them for certain.

Renderosity has one basic problem. RR is the KING OF THE HILL.

And being #1 is not always the easiest thing to be.

I'm a Renderosity fan. A big one.

Count me in.

((But I enjoy PoserPros, too.)) With a shrug, I'm off to the marketplace...........

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Anyway, I am sure neither forum found the forced redirect appropriate. Quibbles happen all the time but that was a bit much. K leaving thread. night.

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"This forum serves by assisting members with Renderosity issues such as FAQs, updates, ideas, improvements, events, navigation, feature use, and general site questions." The reason for that reminder is not to restrict anyones free speech... Just this isn't the appropriate forum, and the subject has drifted way off the original subject, which was appropriate to this forum. pushinfaders

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this thread was moved here. :)

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It's late. Good night.

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I know this thread was moved here...

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When I defended Renderosity at PoserPros, I got bashed by Legume. :-)

I distictly remember an old newsletter where everyone was promised an "arc of protection". Maybe you didn't get yours. :)

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SnowSultan. Sometimes we cant say what we think here, so we say what we think elsewhere, because we only have the time or inclination to say, I call bulls**t. Sometimes we have a little more time. I happen to have a little time right now. It isnt the site; it is the site-as-oxymoron. It is the good bad place. It is the art business. It is the encouragement of learning only certain things. It is the community of support, where members cheat each other. It is the rules on free thought and expression. It allows some of the most anxiety causing elements to run wild, but wont allow natural order to stop them. Generally speaking, this is because the minimization of hypocrisy, passive-aggressive baiting and professional backstabbing (infringement) is accomplished in the online world by flaming it into oblivion allowing those with good intentions to fight fire with the fire of embarrassment and shame. But, thats a Catch-22: Visible flame wars may run off potential marketplace customers. Therefore, the obvious and apparently inexpensive solution may actually be unaffordable. Dont think the Evil Entities at PoserPros and other sites have good intentions? Think again. What would be the odds of the recent increase in infringement taking place if C&D still existed and Legume were still here? As a potential infringer, which would you rather avoid? Would you choose unfulfilled threats of being forced to pay back the customers and/or the infringed merchant, or would you prefer to watch a lengthy discussion on your ethics between Legume, Demosthenes, Ironbear, Questor, Spinner, Cyberstretch and PJF? The very same individuals who practice the arts of hypocrisy and baiting here are terrified of those nyms, because whether we want to admit it or not, they are the merchants of fairness. Yet, this is the second Catch-22: Their strong sense of justice causes them to speak out when the store itself does something that appears to be inequitable to the merchants and/or gallery artists. This leads to the third Catch-22. Renderosity is not a democracy. But, its also not a socialist utopia. The members here should be adult enough to understand that it is a business and sometimes decisions must be made to promote profitability. This isnt often expressed clearly, but it wouldnt matter if it were, because eliminating the flame warriors reduces the overall intelligence quotient of the site. It shrinks the number of people best equipped to understand the complexities involved and possibly explain them in a lucid manner. When was the last time you saw a good flame posted by a stupid person? In fact, running off those such as Legume equates to protecting the community by removing the protectors and in their stead, issuing oxymoronic decrees edicts that on the surface do not make sense, because they oppose the initial attraction to this site, yet fit snugly into the perpetuation of the marketplace addiction. It is bait and switch marketing at the business model level. I dont know that its intentional, but sadly, the Catch-22s may make it imperative. This is a fact: I never saw as much discussion about the various kinds of art; what goes into making art; what should be considered art as I did when Legume was posting in the gallery. Today, we see mundane and ridiculous discourse along the lines of, Lightwave and Maya are used to make art. Poser isnt. Quickly followed by, please dont argue. Lets love everybody and make a rule about it. For the record, Id like to postulate that conversations such as these are too idiotic to constitute argument. Yes, Evil Entities bring intellectual baggage. But, they also bring intellectual stimulation. You do not have to agree with them to appreciate them. Lightwave and Maya do not carry this sites financial burden and they never will. Some problems are better solved with Evil Entities than they are with total and complete submission to the Catch-22s.

Here you're not supposed to to have arguments or disagree or go OT on threads. That is stifling and I think it's the base of most of the 'problem' threads here. Lots of folks who normally would be very pleasant get irked when they feel somewhat muzzled. Again I say that 'rosity need to look at other sites that are less restrictive and try to understand why that's OK and the other sites haven't gone down in flames. problem I have with Poserpros is that it seems to have become a place where everyone who hates Renderosity (for whatever reason) can get together and badmouth us SnowSultan people go to PPs or 3-DArena or Rendervisions etc. to talk about their issues with 'rosity because they can't do it here without getting warnings or downright banned. So they go to the places where they can actually say what's on their mind without any fear- not just from the administration- but from the forum members as well. The copyright infringement threads were rather different over at Poserpros.

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Red God I'd also be pretty pissy if someone did an unwarranted redirect to prove a point outside a techie forum - Good stunt, excellent DHTML, 10 out of 10 for style - but the beef was between _Audrey and Rendo, not with me and my browser - and bar the Gestaposity stuff, I have no issues with PP. As for people having the reactions they do - I find it hard to take any of this too, too seriously; It seems some mistake fits of pique for rebellion and generic forum weaseling for constructive dialogue. Also keep in mind that saying I am against the above, does not mean I am in favour of how a lot of things are handled here. And finally - does it mean that if people kiss Anton's ass, they will become instant Poser Gods ? That can't be all bad, I bet he can tell them the difference between lock layer, clone, and heal in Photoshop ;-) ~S

"When I defended Renderosity at PoserPros, I got bashed by Legume. :-)"

Join the club. :) For all his mouth, Legume's ok and coming from me that's saying something. He'll respect you if you stand up to him and he doesn't appear to hold grudges when it's just you speaking your opinion.

"And finally - does it mean that if people kiss Anton's ass, they will become instant Poser Gods ?"

So, Anton's ass is like the poser version of the Blarney Stone? :p

...... Kendra

"pushinfaders: You can't bitch at people for the topic of their posting when the thread was specifically sorted by moderators. That's bloody well ridiculous." I disagree, First off, I wasn't bitching. Sorry if it came off that way. My intention was to try to keep this thread from turning into the usual "us v.s. them" debate. They tend to get ugly fast. Secondly, I like a good healthy debate as much as the next person. Just keep it civil...That's all I ask. (please)

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hmmm... Kiss Anton's ass and create better Poser art ? I don't see an issue here ;-) (Sorry Anton, I don't know you very well, but this was just too good an opportunity to take the pi^^^...poke fun at things) " he doesn't appear to hold grudges when it's just you speaking your opinion." No. And too many people do, and too many people seem to keep a grudge record, and it's like this infestation of gnats with little nibbles and back-bites at any opportunity. Its almost like the generic forum motto reads "Let no slight or grudge be forgotten" - and the traffic it generates is impressive to behold. Or maybe there is just some major culture thing I am not getting ;-) ~S

My intention was to try to keep this thread from turning into the usual "us v.s. them" debate. They tend to get ugly fast. And really, really boring. ;-) bonni

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SnowSultan people go to PPs or 3-DArena or Rendervisions etc. to talk about their issues with 'rosity because they can't do it here without getting warnings or downright banned.<< I don't believe that. People can, they just let their emotions take over and often don't do it in a civilized tone. Migel, that's a very well thought-out post and you make some good points. Whether I agree or not, thank you for taking the time to respond. >>because whether we want to admit it or not, they are the merchants of fairness.<< Well I see that no matter how many times I've tried to stand up for infringed merchants or to do what's right, I didn't make the list. ;) I think it's a good time for me to step away from participating in the forums for a while and rethink exactly in what way I wish to be a part of the 3D community. My free stuff won't go anywhere though, don't worry. :) Thanks for your time, take care. SnowS

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I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

"Or maybe there is just some major culture thing I am not getting ;-)"

It's strictly indigenous to message board environments. :)

...... Kendra

"I don't know the reason but that browser re-direction stunt won't earn alot of sympathy. No, look over at Poser Pros and 3-Darena. It already did. " uhm - no it didn't. It got a mention at 3-darena.com - it didn't get "sympathy". Frankly I think it was tacky. quote Migal: "Would you choose unfulfilled threats of being forced to pay back the customers and/or the infringed merchant, or would you prefer to watch a lengthy discussion on your ethics between Legume, Demosthenes, Ironbear, Questor, Spinner, Cyberstretch and PJF? The very same individuals who practice the arts of hypocrisy and baiting here are terrified of those nyms, because whether we want to admit it or not, they are the merchants of fairness. Yet, this is the second Catch-22: Their strong sense of justice causes them to speak out when the store itself does something that appears to be inequitable to the merchants and/or gallery artists." Since 4 of the 7 you mention are staff/mods at 3-D Arena (SnowS - I was lef tout to EG) I can vouch for that because believe me if any of them thought I was instituting an unfair or assinine rule/action they would have no problem telling me - even in the public forums. Yes, I do actually listen to them. SnowS - Caly is right - people go to "where" they are allowed to voice their opinions, it is human nature to need a place to complain or sound off. C&D and the old Bar here were good for that. Equally people need to go where they feel that their opinions matter and will be given weight. Asking for feedback and ignoring it simply doesn't garner feelings that they make a difference. Yes, I admit there is complaining about renderosity - and many other things (including gun control, political decisions, war, bad art etc.) at 3-D Arena, but we keep it contained in the Bar and mostly in Ironbear's RFI - but then again that is what RFI did when it was here for years.

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NP. I worked hard to keep my ass in good shape. :) I think it is funny that everytime someone gets mad at me they all repeat the same stuff. "Anton is a ego maniac" "Anton is a snob" "Anton is everyone's pet" blah blah blah Actually I only really talk to three people on the phone. I am always willing to talk to new people though. And no matter how many questions I asnwe I am always a snob. DOn't get that one. 3DCommune kissing my ass? What is that about? Hey Remember, "Daz representative using Gastapo tactics"? That was my favorite anton-theory thread. :)

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quote Migal: "Would you choose unfulfilled threats of being forced to pay back the customers and/or the infringed merchant, or would you prefer to watch a lengthy discussion on your ethics between Legume, Demosthenes, Ironbear, Questor, Spinner, Cyberstretch and PJF?

Hmmm....I'm glad to know that the Poser Universe has a committee of OFFICIAL ARBITERS OF EQUITY.

So, when did I miss the vote?

Nothing against anyone on the list -- I just wasn't aware that we had a group of people that the rest of us were supposed to be answering to.

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damn straight, cowboy, and you better start answering REAL fast };-) If it helps, xeno, it was a surprise to us as well, but now that our egos have been sufficiently inflated, we'll do our best to fulfill this role cross-community. Seriously - I think Migal has seen our cough arbiting tactics, and I dont think he meant it as a flattering comment... On to my first question: WHY aren't YOU watching the Superbowl ? ~S ~S

I'm not a big sports fan. But I am mildly interested in the Panthers.

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First, Ironbear's 'home' tends to be RFI- ie, 3-DArena, not Poserpros, though he visits, like a lot of folks. Second Legume's 'home' tends to be 'rotica/3-darena, with sniff rare visits to Poserpros. Spinner's 'home' is 3-Darena, so is Questor's... The 'Poserpros' is 'out to get us' is sheer paranoia. People post because 'rosity messes up, period. If you don't like it, fix it. Oh, and Poserpros does have a TOS. :D The learning forums are for learning. If an OT post happens you don't get abused though. :D The 'No-Holds-Barred' forum is the Chicken Coop, though the General Discussion forum is also rather open. I believe 3-dArena has a similar set-up. It tends to work... And Anton, you of all people should know how annoying it is when you work for a company and every post you make is taken as if it's an official post by that company/forum/store. Oh wait, Red_Dog doesn't work for Poserpros. That nick doesn't post there. And even if he did, I'm sure he's allowed to have his own opinions separate from whichever site he calls 'home'. ;) Oh, and I would imagine that calling someone a liar and emotionally disturbed is sort of a, oh, I dunno, personal attack... On someone who hasn't even posted in these forums in awhile.

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Well, I tried.... Despite the efforts of my self and a few other, this discussion has continued to go downhill. Call it what you will, but this thread is done.

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