i need help creating the face for my ninja turtle-- props should not be to hard-- but the facial features are killing can some one help "let ther be light" epsilon-graphix

You may want to consider the TMNT head at the 3D Cafe and just splicing that head onto the Poser figure. Its a pretty good head but thgis means that you would also have to do the morph targets for expression and what not.

Morph World DOES have a "No Nose" morph for the P4 Male, btw, if you still want to use the P4 Male, and you could probably do the rest of what you need with a magnet. If you still have probs after trying, I can help out with the morphs and magnets. Let me know.

oh yeah, best bet is to do the face again from scratch, don't try using the existing ones as for the rest, I know it's just a WIP, but the shell needs to be less wide, and the arms/legs shorter and fatter I can't model, or I'd offer to help you out SewerRat