Ray traced shadows work fine. I don't have Depth shadows. Any hints out there? I reinstalled P5 to see if that would work, Nope, Nada, Zip. I didn't have to put my serial no. in, must not have deleted completely, any hints on that too. This is the only thing I have a problem with in sr4. I was trying to do a finished render, forgot how bad things look without shadows, makes me wonder why so many images in the gallery don't use them. I don't want the raytrace shadows. Thanks for any and all help