I was going to post this in the Jennifer Garner post.. when I do my celeb morphs... what I do is make a combined figure. I'll take v3 body and make her head and eyes invisible.. then take Judy and make her body invisible.. zero both figures... adjust the y and z axis of Judy body till it matches where Vicky's head would have been... once it looks.. ok then I parent.. Judy to Vicky's head.. presto... now you have the power of the face room... on Vicky body... witch can be posed... ya ok .. Judy might not have the best.. geometry.. but she sure makes up with it in versatility.. I'm not saying that my version of Jennifer Garner is... very accurate... but this result was produced in under 10 minutes... I doubt you could get anything close to that with v3 in under 2 hours... anyway... I just wanted people to think twice before they delete.. poor old Judy from their system.... if you give her and the faceroom a chance.. you might be surprised with the results that can be achieved in a very short time frame... nick