PheonixRising opened this issue on Mar 11, 2004 ยท 137 posts
PheonixRising posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 2:03 PM
Hi there, This is complex and very difficult to put in words that accurately explain my decision. I am returning to Daz as a broker but have decided to put Maximus in storage. I was going to broker him there but it just isn't a good idea now. Due to some recent info/developments I have decided to stop work on Maximus and not open my own store. -My texturist friends got cold feet and ran the other way. nice huh? -Another mil male -Mil figures will eventually be able to do things in Studio Maximus won't There are other factors. Basically it would be a poor business decision for me to invest any more time on this. Other people can afford to do figures and sell them cheaper than i would. The level of success Maximus would be able to achieved is now capped, and not worth it anymore. I'm leaving figure making to those who have the power and control to do so. Thanks to everyone for all your support, email, compliments, feedback, etc. My plans are to do hair and only hair from now on. I'm done with figures ,clothes and texturists(certain ones anyway). -Anyway Thanks, Anton
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
nikitacreed posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 2:18 PM
I'm sorry to hear this Anton. I was really looking forward to an alternative male for rendering purposes. I will admit I am disappointed though. LOL! Maximus looked like he would have been a great male model that we all would have loved working with. Best of luck to you in your future endeavors! -Em
odeathoflife posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 2:32 PM
Another Mil Male great just what we need :) Texturing friends ran the other way...pressured by the man? Mil Figures doing things max can't, like? I for one am shocked at this development, I was totally looking forward to the release, and am sorry that you have to go back to Daz, and your plans being a solo merchant (you could have been great(er) ) are we will say ...put on hold for the time being. Your post above seems like this is not a choice you want to make but of a choice that you are having to make. Any chance of a change of mind to release Maximus? A petition perchance.
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Caly posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 2:36 PM
As long as you keep creating... :) Perhaps you'll learn even more and come back later with an even greater figure of your own.
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odeathoflife posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 2:37 PM
the mil things doing what Maqx can't I read the above wrong, you said in STUDIO I am guessing that means Daz|Studio. I am sticking to poser for the time being ( well prob for all time ) so I guess that you could release him as a poser release huh, huh, you could release him as is even and I would buy him just cause he looks cool.
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MachineClaw posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 3:02 PM
hair only?! back to Daz?! errrr wow. While I have and love your hair models that you have released in the past, you not doing clothing or props is a huge disapointment. Your clothing models and prop sets are some of my most valuable purchases. I will certainly miss your contributions in that area. What a wacky community this is. Much sucess with this er your new er, much sucess in your continuing endevors.
soulhuntre posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 3:07 PM
I am sorry to hear about this Anton, but it looks like the right move. The market is saturated with figures at the moment with more apparently on the way. There is obviously cause for concern over the Daz|Studio project and whether Daz will leverage their ownership of the code to give their own figures and content an competative advantage that it would be impossible for an outside merchant to match. They could easily set Studio up so that only "Daz Brokered" figures got the benefits of a better skin weighting algorithm for example. The other issues you mentioned also suck :(
Xena posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 3:11 PM
Sad and great news all in one post. You da man Anton ;) Pity about Max, I was quite looking forward to working with him. But the idea of getting my greedy Poser item buying hands on some new Anton hair is just fabulous :) All in all, best wishes for your future plans.
lobo75 posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 3:12 PM
I am deeply saddended to hear this. I truly wish you the best of luck with your future projects and hope that this situation whatever the details may be DO NOT discourage you in any way.
Sincerely,
L.
XENOPHONZ posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 3:33 PM
I am looking forward to purchasing your hair models.
Staby posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 3:46 PM
Well, I'm really sorry to hear this about Maximus, but I hope that eventually you will be involved in the development of the new Daz Millennium male. Good luck Anton!
PapaBlueMarlin posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 3:56 PM
Please don't give up on Maximus yet. You are doing so well and the result is infinitely better than M3. Keep in mind that a lot of people were dissatisfied with morph injection and with the last mil man. Also, not everyone will be switching over to Studio so there is still a demand for P4 and P5 figures. Keep in mind that there are other content providers such as Cubed and that Curious Labs will eventually need P6 figures. You are really REALLY talented Anton. I would hate to see you limit yourself and be unhappy because you got bullied.
FishNose posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 3:59 PM
Sigh............ well as Xeno puts it, I'll be looking forward to your hair, mate. :] Fish
SndCastie posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 4:11 PM
Well the best of luck to you and can't wait to see what kind of hair you come up with next. I love your hair :O)
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sparrowheart posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 4:41 PM
Anton, whatever you do, you are the best :-) Your products always set the standard for innovation and quality, but I will also never forget all of the helpful tips and mini-tutorials you have gifted this community with over the years. You're just a caring, talented, generous artist. I wish you all the best, in every endeavour! Kimberly
PheonixRising posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 4:55 PM
Hey thanks. :)
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
hauksdottir posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 5:37 PM
Well, this is not the sort of news I wanted to hear. We need competition. We need outside developers. We need the creativity spurred by the people trying to make something better than a given standard. What we don't need is another bloated injected, ejected, reflected, imperfected heap of polygons. Investers are often told "don't fight the trend" but that isn't the way an artist works. If you are trying to be a business person as well as an artist, sometimes you just have to give in to market pressure. But then everybody loses. It sounds like you needed a texture artist with a bit more courage, and self-assurance, too. I am very sorry, Anton, so sorry to hear this. {hugs} Carolly
BronwynC posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 5:38 PM
I hate to see this happen, but you know what is best for you. Hair? I can't wait for this!
pizazz posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 6:10 PM
do DIAMONDS FOR V3 and SP or at least something similar. They really need some jewelry.
cherokee69 posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 6:17 PM
This totally sucks!!! My hopes and many other were for a figure that would be more than what is already out there and you figure looked to do that. I'm so sorry that you aren't going to finish it now.
Arendar posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 6:24 PM
Hi Anton, I guess you have your reasons...but if you ever change your mind on finishing and releasing Maximus someday, I'll be right here! Cheers! ;-)
estherau posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 7:07 PM
Oh I'm so sorry to hear that. I was really looking forward to Maximus and his clothing line as well. anyway, all the best for your new projects. Let us know if you change your mind about maximus. Love esther
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ElorOnceDark posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 7:37 PM
Well, that's a bummer Anton. Even though I hear the reluctance in your decision in your post, I hope things work out for the best.
Fashionably_Late posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 7:44 PM
Nooo! I was so looking forward to Maximus, he has so much potential. There are more female Poser figures for sale than I could count, but the market is really lacking in the way of quality male figures. I'm really sorry to hear that the independant brokerage idea didn't work out for you, but I'm glad you're not leaving the Poser business altogether. I'm a big fan of your work! And I'll echo everyone's best wishes on your future endeavors, wherever they are.
~ Molly
HeavyRay posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 7:48 PM
You've given the community SO MUCH, and I'm sure that you have much more to give us!! That it wasn't via the route that looked promising just a bit ago, is the kinda twists and turns that life deals us, whether we want them or not.
WHATEVER you design, you'll have a ton of appreciative admirers and friends, who all appreciate your work. You truly are an artist.....
Ray
pdxjims posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 7:59 PM
...damn... Max looked like he had a LOT of potential. I've come to admire the great Poser modelers, and Anton is at the top of the list. Everything he's ever done has been a major contribution to us, and I was expecting Max to be the same. I can only hope Max just needs a little longer gestation than expected. Note to people who do body textures: VOLUNTEER! If I could do a good texture, I would for Max. I will start a complete line of clothing for him the day Anton releases Max for outside development.
MachineClaw posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 8:02 PM
Just a question. There are at least 100 people interested in Maximus. If he was released at $60 x100 people minus a 30% brokerage fee (used PoserPro for example) to a store you would still net $4200. I'm sure there would be a few more sales of the base model than just a 100 people. Maximus seems so far much more than the other male figures. What or when does it justify developing a product? I have no clue in this area but seems to me that you could make a lot of money over a single year with a few clothing items couple of textures and base model and spend the rest of the year on other things. I'm really quite curious, if not I can understand not giving details.
PheonixRising posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 11:01 PM
I want to discuss this but can't. It gets me upset. I am sorry I cannot discuss this with you. I assure you I have tried many options and it wasn't meant to be. Not by me this year anyway. Thanks again, Anton
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
MachineClaw posted Fri, 12 March 2004 at 12:08 AM
Fair enough I certainly don't mean to bring up bad feelings. I look forward to your new creations :)
Farside posted Fri, 12 March 2004 at 12:11 AM
It's ashame especially since it's looking more and more like Daz is removing themselves from the Poser community with D|S and starting up a distinctly seperate one. For the people that will be staying with Poser it would have been nice to have quality characters to use once Daz leaves.
Lyrra posted Fri, 12 March 2004 at 12:19 AM
Anton Its a shame to hear of your decision. I know you've worked hard on this project. Any chance of a limited release of Maximus? the work you've done on that figure should not be shuffled away to moulder on some harddrive. Good luck Lyrra
ookami posted Fri, 12 March 2004 at 12:37 AM
Can't do it... not this year? Can't talk about it... Hmmm...Some type of non-competitive contract you signed when you worked for DAZ? =( I do hope you start making clothes again. I had high hopes for Adventurers for M3/V3/S3/Fr/ShFr... =)
PheonixRising posted Fri, 12 March 2004 at 1:50 AM
No nothing liek that. I wanted Maximus to be more than just a three month novelty. It is a Mil market by design. It is fine. I like doing hair anyway. No more clothes though.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
Staby posted Fri, 12 March 2004 at 2:30 AM
Do you mean you could eventually finish this project once DAZ Studio is beta and you will be able to redesign Maximus feature in a way that they are not redundant with what Studio is gonna do by default? Anyway I don't know if it would have been just a 3 month novelty. I think people would have supported him. It looked far more advanced than M3 in his basic apparence and he was going to have all those features that M3 is missing. Remember, even the persons that like M3 were disappointed by the lack of all the face and ethnicity morphs... I just know I was ready to invest a lot of money in him since I'm one of those that are disappointed with M3. I hope that you'll change your mind. Again good luck and looking forward to your new project. Staby
jjsemp posted Fri, 12 March 2004 at 4:04 AM
Perhaps some day Maximus will rise again from the ashes like the proverbial phoen--- ...er, uh...never mind. -jjsemp
compiler posted Fri, 12 March 2004 at 4:20 AM
What a strange announcement. It sounds like there are many things building up behind the scenes. Many things that the basic people like me will discover very late, may be just after making a buying decision. Things that I'm sure we would all be very interested to hear about now. But I guess you cannot tell much more than you did... Anyway you go Anton, I wish you the best luck.
Philywebrider posted Fri, 12 March 2004 at 4:52 AM
"The level of success Maximus would be able to achieved is now capped,..." Is there some kind of policy that limits your earnings/sales?
dirk5027 posted Fri, 12 March 2004 at 6:38 AM
seems to me daz gave you an ultimatum, in order to come back you can't release your male figure, more poser politics, guess you have to do what you have to do, but I bet daz sales are down, and they got scared of outsiders making new and better figures.......Daz sure hasn't been impressive lately, we'll just have to wait and see what happens
cherokee69 posted Fri, 12 March 2004 at 6:45 AM
"I want to discuss this but can't. It gets me upset. I am sorry I cannot discuss this with you. I assure you I have tried many options and it wasn't meant to be. Not by me this year anyway. Thanks again, Anton" Anton, you didn't say much here but you said alot about what's going on even if it's not actually realized. I was just thinking back to the M3 project and DAZ not letting you work on it, then your leaving DAZ, you work on the Maximus figure (which was looking to top M3) and now your going back to DAZ...somethings looking fishy.
eirian posted Fri, 12 March 2004 at 8:01 AM
-Another mil male -Mil figures will eventually be able to do things in Studio Maximus won't Another mil male? M3 failed to live up to expectations, and with each new Mil release DAZ seems to offer less, not more. V3 got morph expansions and loads of support. M3 didn't even get a full set of morphs to begin with. As for Daz Sudio - I've tried it, and even allowing for it being an alpha release, I don't like it. Whatever advancements the mil figures might have for Studio, I won't be interested. I'll be sticking with Poser 5. Anton, I was watching your development of Maximus with great interest. It's always hard to tell what the end product will be like from development shots, but you have an understanding of the end-user's needs that DAZ, just lately, seems to lack entirely. You have a deserved reputation for creating top quality and innovative products. I had no doubt Maximus would be great. Opening your own store would be a risk, but there are more brokerages than just DAZ. It seems you've made up your mind, and I won't beg you to change it if you've made a business decision to cancel the project. But I will add my voice to those who have already said they are disappointed. I would have been a customer, for sure, and still will be, should you resurrect Maximus at a later date. Best of luck to you!
movida posted Fri, 12 March 2004 at 8:46 AM
I'd buy him also, both because I want him and also to support independent 3rd party development of Poser products. It's the principle of the thing and I'm sure a lot of users support independent development. If DAZ succeeds at this, then we'll all be stuck using only DAZ figures. Not a good thing. Poser developed to the point it is at now stricly based on 3rd party development and innovation. I remember when they tried to clamp down on modellers by saying that "derived" (as in clothing) meshes belonged to them. This does surprise me though, I'd thought Utah was saints paradise. s
Caly posted Fri, 12 March 2004 at 8:54 AM
I don't like to make negative assumptions. I think people need to be careful about that or you end up with witchhunts. My idle speculations? Here's my fabric of dreams... The D|S base will be free, and be similar to the basic Poser 4. However Millenium and ALL figures will no longer need the injection system since Studio has a different way of managing morphs. Weight maps will give more realistic fall-off zones... The D|S format will be openable DIRECTLY in Lightwave 8.0. No plugins needed thanks, here's your S3 in Lightwave, no sweat. D|S will have plugins, but D|S itself can be a plugin to Lightwave- and Mimic will be even more integrated into both programs. Anton may create his new figures when D|S is out and the new morph system can be shared. ;)
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Turtle posted Fri, 12 March 2004 at 9:44 AM
Grads on going back to Daz. You have to look out for yourself, my friend. And it's your life and if Daz pays you so you can make a living at what you love. Then I say Bravo. and big hugs to you.
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3ddave44 posted Fri, 12 March 2004 at 10:08 AM
Anton, considering your previous exit from DAZ was cloaked in mystery and 'felt' as though it was rocky at best, aren't you leery that this go round could suddenly go South? Of course, it's not up to us to question motives or ruminate on situations we're not fully informed of but this is a curious development on an already curious story. Who knows, perhaps DAZ is actively fawning over you and promising a once-a-week hot oil rubdown from some hot slab... I HOPE SO! : ) In any event, while I was looking forward to an "All Anton, All The Time" site and store, I hope this will be a happy endeavor for you and I look forward to any future output. I'm a longtime fan of both your design sense and technical innovations. Dave
Migal posted Fri, 12 March 2004 at 1:41 PM
I'm bummed. But, good look to you, Anton.
PheonixRising posted Sat, 13 March 2004 at 8:01 AM
Thanks again all. We wil see what will happen. Might be best to wait for Studio to be finished before looking at finishing Maximus. Too many variables. I would rather wait to see if it is worth waiting that doing him now only to found I should have waited. I am really hoping the community will help with utilities for things not directly available to the public. Thanks for the support. I my decision makes sense. -Anton
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
cherokee69 posted Sat, 13 March 2004 at 8:05 AM
"Might be best to wait for Studio to be finished before looking at finishing Maximus." Why??? More people would probably use Maximus in Poser than Studio anyway.
cherokee69 posted Sat, 13 March 2004 at 9:34 AM
Anton, If you going to stick to only doing hair..PLEASE do some good up-to-date short hair styles for Mike...that's M2 and M3..not just M3.
BluesPadawan posted Sat, 13 March 2004 at 1:42 PM
I anticipate your hair creations to be of the utmost quality and design, as are the rest of your projects. Someone mentioned it before, but modifying Diamonds for V3 and Stephanie Petite would make a huge impact. Good luck in the new/old/"rerun" endeavors.
DCArt posted Sat, 13 March 2004 at 1:58 PM
As far as the "variables" go, might I point out that there will always be variables when future software products are involved. Now that there will be two "human posing" applications available to users, what you may see is that each subsequent release will try to top the previous of its competitor. And that's a good thing for us. So ... Maximus may still have a viable future. Who is to say you can't have a Maximus 2 and Maximus 3, and so on, to get better and more compatible with future software updates? 8-) Just being one who hates to see all that work put on a shelf. He has a LOT of promise!!
MachineClaw posted Sat, 13 March 2004 at 3:50 PM
With Daz placing a lot on Daz Studio, their working with Newtek and a lot going on behind the scenes that users don't know about I can understand the wait and see thoughts. CL with Shade etc. Lot going on with two of the big players in the Poser community. I understand your need to pay rent, having a longer shelf life for your work. There are many people that support 3rd party brokers and poser content providers and are disapointed with the Daz machine. Disapointed but I understand. I think there is more of a market for Maximus than you think. With the Clothing converter now out existing clothing could be worked for Maximus as new things are developed. I understand, I wish ya the best, I look forward to seeing your creativity put into the poser community. Don't let Maximus get to dusty. MachineClaw ------------ The Revolution will not be televised, it will be sponsored by corporate America.
movida posted Sat, 13 March 2004 at 11:14 PM
hmmmm....I posted a question over at the DAZ forum and asked if 3rd party figure creators would have all the information/specs necessary to produce figures on par with what comes out of DAZ. The answer was "yes". So the answer was misleading huh?
PapaBlueMarlin posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 12:32 AM
So DAZ is making a new Mil Man... Or are they making another unimesh character? Looking at the results of M3 here would seem to be a big difference.
PheonixRising posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 12:34 AM
Oh him. He will say anything that looks good publically. If it doesn't come from the owners, the opinion and info is useless.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
PapaBlueMarlin posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 1:32 AM
where is the post?
PheonixRising posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 1:41 AM
Attached Link: post
here-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
PapaBlueMarlin posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 1:46 AM
it must be in the platinum club so I can't see it because I'm not a member... :(
PheonixRising posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 1:48 AM
yes it is in DS questions/feedback
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
PapaBlueMarlin posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 1:49 AM
Anton, so you have seen the specs for the new mil man? Is he based off the unimesh as well?
PheonixRising posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 1:53 AM
no. I saw a post where Bryan said they were going to release a new mil figure each month for 6 months. I guess the horse is the first. So I called and assked if one was an adult male. Other than that I know nothing about it.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
PapaBlueMarlin posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 1:56 AM
6 months starting now or starting with the cat and dog?
AprilYSH posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 2:36 AM
3ddave44 said: In any event, while I was looking forward to an "All Anton, All The Time" site and store, I hope this will be a happy endeavor for you and I look forward to any future output. I'm a longtime fan of both your design sense and technical innovations. ditto. :)
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PapaBlueMarlin posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 2:40 AM
Ditto as well. I just find it odd that DAZ is doing all these projects and we haven't heard a peep out of them in months. Odd especially when they haven't been asking for the same kind of feedback that Anton was...
Staby posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 4:06 AM
Well, "a new mil figure" is very generic... even the cat was a millennium figure. Every six months could also mean 2 years from now Did they explicitly say they are going to release a NEW male human figure in the coming months? If not it was misleading and you should resume your project. Also if it is going to be based on the unimesh probably it wont be well received since it has not the muscle definition that M2 (and Stephanie) had. And who knows when DAZ Studio will be finished, again it could be next year or later.
PheonixRising posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 5:04 AM
each month for six months...not one every 6 months. Gotta read what I wrote. :) I had specifically asked if one would be male since that was all I am worried about. They are all unimesh characters so I don't know if the word "new' is appropriate, but I imagine that is the only kind. Regarding "who knows when Daz studio will be finished", well Daz would but I feel very nervous on lack or willingness to communicate. Maybe it is just me, but after 7 years of Poser you kinda hope the info just flows istead of having to mine for it.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
Staby posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 6:09 AM
Ops! I read wrong... Well if it is a unimesh male figure it remanin to be seen how good it will look. I hope that if it is worth it you will make some morphs expansion... Oh well better search for some reference to request new male hair styles for now :)
dirk5027 posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 6:40 AM
oh here we go again, unimesh this unimesh that, another vicky clone just like mike3, Daz needs to wake up and smell the coffee...and as for daz studio, maybe 2 years from now it'll be half way usable
PheonixRising posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 6:46 AM
Hmmm. Well I know they have all read this over there, so if I am mistaken in some way i am sure someone will call me to set the record straight.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
dirk5027 posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 7:14 AM
Anton, I'm sure you're not mistaken, Daz has been a let down for quite a while now.........they'll take the unimesh and put out another mike3 fiasco.......Daz if you read this Pay anton some decent money and have him finish his male figure..The m3 fiasco is inexcusable, then you have all the women uuhhing and awwiing over him, and most all of them clearly stated " we like soft pretty men", well that's not what the majority wanted. Then we get the freak which is a cool figure, but how many freak pics can you make?? Then several of us tried to make a m3/freak combo only to find the hands don't work. I do know if I knew how to model, i'd have my own site, and give daz some competition, maybe get them out of the unimesh rut.I'm not the kiss ass type, i say it as i see it, and loads of people agree with me. A big hug to you anton and maybe this time the "powers that be" at daz will listen to your input.
PapaBlueMarlin posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 12:30 PM
I definitely agree that the previews of Maximus have already exceeded the features seen in M3 in that he is a much more masculine figure. I don't have big issues with M3's body except for the "tone" morph, but the head is a major disappointment. Unless they do some sort of face scan to modify the head immensely, I think another male unimesh character will be a bust. And DAZ if you're reading, please ask people for images of people they might like to use for morphs. I think that was the problem with M3 is that not enough customer imput went into the product before it was released.
hauksdottir posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 9:10 PM
I think the UNImesh is itself a problem. Considering that the milboys look just like "Little Vickis" and were a major disappointment, with many many many complaints, you would have thought that DAZ might have listened... BEFORE releasing The Freak, M3, Puck, and all the other unimesh males. Cheap to produce does not equal good. Releasing one more Vicki clone isn't going to fill the gap unless it has proper masculine proportions and proper musculature and proper joints. We do differ from the cartilege on outwards: simply glomming on more muscles doesn't improve a bad skeleton, no matter how deeply buried. Slapping on a texture made from real photos with real pimples and freckles isn't going to hide bad anatomy. Unless DAZ gets real competition, I'm afraid that they won't listen to our complaints, and they won't deal with basic structural problems in trying to make one mesh fit all. If DAZ|Studio is configured so that you have to be a DAZ insider to get a figure to work properly if not optimally, then they may never get that competition... and we will all lose. Squeezing out and stifling competition is not the way to improve or innovate, it only makes you the sole producer. Welcome to the world of MicroSerf, where true creativity is marginalized, bought out, or extinguished. Carolly
estherau posted Sun, 14 March 2004 at 9:19 PM
I think unimesh isn't that bad. The freak looks very different to M3. It will make fitting clothing between characters a lot easier to have unimesh. I found the biggest disappointment I had with M3 was I couldn't make him look like the freak no matter how I muscled and toned him up. then the freak came out but his hands and feet are a little too big and there's not enough variety of clothes for him. I would have liked to have been able to make my M3 look huge and still fit him into his morphing clothes which I have bought for him.
I don't think Sp3 looks like V3 at all. Especially her hip area. No matter how hard I try I can't get V3 to have that figure shape, which has been very disappointing to me I might add as all my clothes are V3.
Love esther
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PapaBlueMarlin posted Mon, 15 March 2004 at 12:45 PM
DAZ will be releasing Koshini 2, are you sure the male figure is a mil man rather than Ishiro 2?
PheonixRising posted Mon, 15 March 2004 at 3:30 PM
Yes it isn't Ishiro
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
compiler posted Mon, 15 March 2004 at 3:48 PM
Let's see... The millenium Gorilla ?
PapaBlueMarlin posted Mon, 15 March 2004 at 3:56 PM
The mil gorilla has already been done... it was based off M2's mesh.
MachineClaw posted Mon, 15 March 2004 at 5:26 PM
Mil Horse, Mil Centaur those are scheduled (WIP pics at Daz forum). That's 2 out of 6.
hauksdottir posted Mon, 15 March 2004 at 6:02 PM
Mil Big Cats makes it 3 of 6. I expect the children to be next, actually. The MilGirls were given free when bundled with a character set a few weeks ago. If we see a similar offering with the MilBoys, that will cinch that argument. (I'm surprised that we haven't seen such a character pack, but perhaps no one has offered such a thing to DAZ recently.) Carolly
Arendar posted Mon, 15 March 2004 at 6:58 PM
Hi Anton, like others here, I thought your Maximus figure would have given DAZ a real run for their money (or at least shown them how it's done). M3 (other than the default pretty boy, i.e. with no muscularity morphs applied) is a real joke; the Freak is much better, but DAZ should have given him normal hands and feet, including genitalia to complete the package and extend his versatility. It is unfortunate (and rather unfair) that DAZ appears to be "raining on your parade" regarding Maximus, especially when he looks far superior than anything that DAZ has in the Poser male figure line right now. While I understand your decision to proceed cautiously on Maximus' development, I certainly hope that the "new male Millenium figure" (which DAZ has in the works) will not be as disappointing as M3 or as "incomplete" as the Freak. Knowing that "there is another one" (sounds like a Star Wars Jedi Knight story line LOL!) really raises expectations, which DAZ cannot afford to let down again, especially after M3. Perhaps after you should consider finishing Maximus for Poser; I would not worry about DAZ Studio at this point as it seems to have a long way to go yet. Hugs and cheers! :-D
PapaBlueMarlin posted Mon, 15 March 2004 at 8:31 PM
hmmm... MilGirls... if I were DAZ I would be hesitant to put out another unimesh figure considering the limited number of products available for the FREAK, She-Freak, Stephanie Petite, and Puck. MilGirls/Boys from the unimesh would be especially redundant since DAZ could probably just do expansion packs on Puck and Steph.
PheonixRising posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 11:37 AM
Well after just reading the response to Movida's post at the Daz forums I frankly feel like throwing up. Be honest..is it me? Is there something I don't get? This is bad for people like me right?
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
Ghostofmacbeth posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 11:46 AM
I think I missed something ... I think they meant that DAZ Studio will be evolving so that they might be one step ahead of other parties as far as what it can do but not that you or anyone can create something that works in it. It is basically that they know what a lot of the future holds for it and can plan accordingly. Super weight mapping in version 1.31 or whatever as a random example pulled out of thin air. They can plan for those things to some degree but a good mesh can still stand up to a good mesh and those new funcions can be added as an evolution process. Just my two cents ...
PheonixRising posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 12:04 PM
No that is not what they mean. They are just doing the PR control thing. You'll see.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
Caly posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 12:28 PM
I agree with Ghost obviously. Anyone will be able to do content once the content tools are out, but of course Daz will be a step ahead since they are the ones creating the software and tool updates.
Calypso Dreams... My Art- http://www.calypso-dreams.com
movida posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 12:32 PM
The question they're side stepping (and I haven't yet spelled out in black and white but it's coming) is..."are you going to deliberately make it impossible for 3rd party modellers to compete with your in-house figures in any way, shape, form, method, inclusion, exclusion or out of sheer greed?" There, think that'll do it? And the greedy become the needy.
PheonixRising posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 12:36 PM
Caly you are mistaken. I asked and was told not all tools will be released. Or so I was specifically told when I asked that very question. The answer to Movida's question is "yes". They don't mind figures so long as they are inferior or not quite as good.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
PheonixRising posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 12:39 PM
Bah I don't know why I am so upset. I already knew all this and have made my decision to stop making figures. They can make for their own.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
DCArt posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 12:40 PM
I don't have any more insight on this than anyone else, but looking at it with an "on the fence" perspective, I see this ... It would be against DAZ's best interest to make it impossible for 3rd party developers to develop content for DAZ Studio. A large portion of their store selection is by brokered artists ... brokering that is still open to any artist that can meet their standards of quality. And ... as far as DAZ Studio being a "proprietary" format with its own set of capabilities, I see that as being no different than 3D Studio MAX having its own set of capabilities, while also being able to import OBJ, DXF, 3DS and other formats. I would suspect that DAZ Studio will STILL support Poser files to some degree, though they wouldn't have full functionality of figures that are developed solely for DAZ Studio. But then ... I'm just another struggling artist and could be all wet. LOL
PheonixRising posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 12:43 PM
You will be able to make content. Noone is saying otherwise. It just won't work as good as thiers.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
DCArt posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 12:51 PM
Correct ... but is that really any different than other 3D modeling applications that have their own proprietary format? For example, I have both 3D Studio MAX 4.2 and LightWave (soon to be version 8). In order to convert ANYTHING to Max format, you actually have to have MAX installed on your system in order for the conversion utilities to work. Otherwise you get nothing but a "sorry, you need to have this installed" message. Then, once you do get something converted from another format to Max, you still have to do a lot of tweaking and adding to get it to work right. Up until now, Poser content developers have had a built-in market making content for one application. Now that there will be a competing product, it's going to make things a bit tougher. So a content developer may actually have to look ahead and build models in such a way that a version can be released for EACH product. The geometry will still be the same, but the mechanics behind it will change. Another thing that may happen is that there will be an influx of 3rd party tools that will help automate the conversion process. In any case, I think it might be too soon to guess.
MachineClaw posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 1:21 PM
The growth of the poser community is built on inovative people pushing the boundries and developing new tools, different approaches etc. Anton you've done some of that for figures and clothing items and seen it used by other content creators. IF Daz holds back, plays big brother or evil empire this community of poser users will balk faster than you can spin a dial. IF Curious Labs poser 6 comes out, AND they listen to customers, there is going to be competition. Inovation in poser land is stifled and there is a glutony of low quality or limited use items flooding the markets. There needs to be a big revolution to push stuff to the next level and get poser users fired up again. Thought that might be Daz Studio , may or may not dunno. BUT.... Maximus certainly would have taken people by suprise, and done something that hasn't been done. by that I mean users who have been claimoring for improvements and voriaty in a quality model. nobody has hit the mark yet, not even Daz, though they are the only ones playing anymore. The wheel is not new, but racing tires do help performance. This is gunna be a big year of changes I guess, already starting to see and feel the effects in the community. "Hard to see the future is." - Yoda
DCArt posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 1:26 PM
Maximus certainly would have taken people by suprise, and done something that hasn't been done. by that I mean users who have been claimoring for improvements and voriaty in a quality model. Which is why I feel development shouldn't be shelved.
DCArt posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 1:38 PM
Inovation in poser land is stifled and there is a glutony of low quality or limited use items flooding the markets. I agree ... One of the hardest things I go through is trying to decide what to work on next, because I want to do something unique and different that hasn't already been done. It is getting harder and harder, and there have been SO many times I've tried to switch to something that was more promising. But dang, this 3D art stuff is addicting. 8-) Anton, ff I had even one HUNDREDTH of your skill, especially having the ability to create an entire character in less than a year (ROFL) I would CERTAINLY do that. Look at the other people who are developing their own characters ... especially Neftis' Elle, which looks extremely promising! The impending release of DAZ Studio is not stopping her ... and I'll be one of the first in line to purchase her model. She looks fantastic! Anton, I truly hope you reconsider. (twists the arm a wee bit more ... 8-))
movida posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 1:51 PM
Anton I hope you release Maximus also. A lot of people won't grab DAZ studio. As far as the base app being free...forgive me but I get scared lmao It's a big, fat, tuna hook is all.
Caly posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 1:58 PM
The base being free will hopefully get new blood into the beginner 3d-land. In that case, everyone wins. So here's hoping for more people to join the party once D|S base comes out. As for me, the more tools the merrier. Everything has its pros and cons. It's a matter of using the tool that does the job for ya.
Calypso Dreams... My Art- http://www.calypso-dreams.com
movida posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 2:00 PM
There are people who want to model figures - that's new blood also.
Migal posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 2:59 PM
"but is that really any different than other 3D modeling applications that have their own proprietary format?"
Yes. It is different. Poser and Studio are not modeling apps. They are content presentation apps. Poser's text file format has resulted in an almost open source environment on content creation.
hauksdottir posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 3:01 PM
Please reread my last paragraph in post #72. We have seen this before. Once Microsoft owned the field, they did everything they could to extend that advantage... including making it impossible for competing products to work as well as did theirs inside that operating system. When you own the code, you can parcel out knowledge of how it works. The thing most feared by innovators in Silicon Valley wasn't lack of funding or long hours... it was Paul Allen's shadow on the doorstep. If Microsoft noticed your project they would either buy and kill it, or include something almost like it for free with their OS. Almost like it. Yeah, right. And another brilliant piece of engineering would get stifled. And another team of creative people would disband, disheartened. Lawsuit after lawsuit has been the result. Companies faltering and giving up has been the result. Continuous encroachment of one multi-tentacled company has been the result. MicroSoft in its arrogance thinks it can not only control the flow of data through your computer, but also control the flow of oil in the pumps, the currency between financial institutions, the automatic door to your house, the ink in your pen. You think I'm exaggerating? Just wait until your car-of-the-future dies and you have to get out and open the trunk to reboot it! The world does not need more MicroSofts exerting absolute control over any part of the creative process. Carolly
DCArt posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 3:06 PM
While it is true that Poser and Studio are content presentation apps, the same can also be said of Max and LightWave. Modeling is only a portion of what those two apps can do ... they can also animate, render, and composite, same as Poser. The proprietary format for Max is the MAX format, and LightWave has its own LWO format. Neither format can "talk" to the other. However, both can import OBJ, 3DS, and DXF files (and so can Poser). A modeler can develop a 3D model that can be imported into any of these applications ... and what happens to the model AFTER that is specific to the program in which it is imported into. That was the point I was trying to make - the geometry will be the same in any application. It is the technical side of it that changes from one app to another.
PapaBlueMarlin posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 3:50 PM
Wasn't there a big rush of cartoon figures a while back. The people who wanted the Neftoon Girl didn't not buy her just because Sara and the Maya Doll were being given away for free. Also many of the same people who used the Neftoon Girl also bought Koshini and Shazaam. It's just an issue of demand. Right now, the demand for another male figure is pretty high due to some expectations that weren't necessarily filled with M3. There is a lot of 3rd party female figures (Solondra, Nadya, Cindy, Natalia, Dina, etc.) that suffer just because they can't compete with the Vicki market. In my mind, Maximus wouldn't have as much competition because the only male models really out there are from DAZ and CL. In addition, I think the mesh in comparison to M3 is a lot more of what people had expected from a higher end male figure. In addition, M3 lacked a lot of the morph capacity seen in V3's head pack, a lot morphs being done by Anton. So, from my point of view, Maximus is a lot further ahead of the curve than the next mil male. (Hopefully DAZ does not insult our intelligence by calling him Michael 4 especially when there was such dissatisfation with M3 and the time frame between them is really close...)
DCArt posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 4:03 PM
Do you think this might also change the way that products are packaged? For example, perhaps the geometry can be sold alone ... and then the Poser and Studio-compatibility files sold as separate "add ons" to the geometry. That way, the geometry is purchased once.
Migal posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 4:12 PM
Yes, the geometry would remain. In Poser, the technical side (text file hacking) enhances the abilities of the application, drastically. It allows small content creators to innovate on a level with larger competitors.
LW and Max are great. But, I think perhaps they are not exactly analogous to Poser and D|S, because of price and the lack of support from small, inexpensive, third party content providers. The content marketplace for Poser isn't unique, but it is uniquely inexpensive. I believe monopolization of the Poser content market would probably alter the paradigm and cause the majority of content presentation application users to look away from D|S. I suspect the content marketplace has been largely responsible for keeping Poser alive.
Thats not to say I believe DAZ is attempting to monopolize content creation. Its possible, but I hope they are not, for their sake and ours.
PapaBlueMarlin posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 4:17 PM
Anton, I think the points to take away from all this are 1. That just because DAZ says they are working on some sort of technological advancement for the next Mil Man doesn't mean they'll follow through with it all the way to satisfy the most customers. 2. That even if new D|S technology is available for the figures, that doesn't mean it will be necessarily easy to use by the hobbiest consumer. I think CL's face and hair rooms are good examples are that factor. 3. Some people will be more apt to stick with P4 and P5 rather than investing in specialized content for D|S. ----- Deecey, I don't think this will change the way things are packaged simply because the hobbiest user isn't as likely to own multiple 3D programs. I think a lot of consumers want to product in an easy-use format with the most functionality possible (with emphasis on the word "easy"). It makes for an interesting question though... :)
PapaBlueMarlin posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 4:24 PM
sorry deecey, i think i misread your post...
DCArt posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 5:24 PM
Migal posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 5:24 PM
Good points, PBM.
cherokee69 posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 5:47 PM
I dont' know why we keep going on and on about this. Anton has already made up his mind (or DAZ made it up for him) not to finish Maximus, DAZ has their own thoughts about what a figure should be, no one is going to change their minds about that or the way they do it, and they are really running the show, so anything we say isn't going to change anyone's mind so I don't know why we keep rambeling on about it.
PheonixRising posted Tue, 16 March 2004 at 7:26 PM
K Thanks for feedback guys. If I want to broker at Daz I jave to be quiet now. So I am going to leave this thread now. Regards, Anton
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
ToolmakerSteve posted Sun, 21 March 2004 at 2:10 AM
MachineClaw--"IF Daz holds back, plays big brother or evil empire this community of poser users will balk faster than you can spin a dial." I agree with this point. But Daz folks don't strike me as stupid, so I doubt it would come to that. I think the real risk for "cottage" artists is more along the lines of the Industrial Revolution: as a market expands, a large company can create tools and processes that make it possible to crank out high-quality goods, at a lower cost than "cottage" outfits. Customers: happy. Competition: dead. As a technologist, this is how I read DAZ' comments. Not that they are doing anything menacing, just that they can afford to develop tools and processes that will be hard to cost-effectively compete with. Combine that with their fore-knowledge of their own plans for DAZ Studio evolution... What's hard about this, is that most of the active members of this community are at least somewhat "competition" to DAZ. Yes, much uncertainty for anyone independent. Being little fish is risky, especially in changing times. But there is a plus side to all this. Maybe Daz will succeed in growing this market -- a lot. Poser has struggled pathetically its entire existence. Look for niches as the market grows. Like Anton and his "hair" - something he knows he can do well, hence be successful at. I imagine he'll eventually see some tempting opportunity, once the new landscape becomes less molten lava :-D
Caly posted Sun, 21 March 2004 at 12:49 PM
Daz already responded to this in their forums. Look for the locked thread in the D|S forum I believe.
Calypso Dreams... My Art- http://www.calypso-dreams.com
ToolmakerSteve posted Sun, 21 March 2004 at 2:10 PM
Thanks, I'll look for that thread.
PapaBlueMarlin posted Sun, 21 March 2004 at 4:12 PM
can someone transcribe that thread here for those of us who aren't PC members
Crescent posted Sun, 21 March 2004 at 5:03 PM
The thread that I think everyone is referring to is pretty long, so here's a very quick recap: Basically, Brian Brandenburg said that yes, developers outside of DAZ are going to be able to work with the D|S structure. There are no plans to shut everyone out of D|S if they don't broker with DAZ. Further in the thread, rbtwhiz said that, yes, DAZ will have a head start with any content for D|S since DAZ is creating D|S and its tools. It's kinda hard not to have a head start on making content for the program if you're the ones creating the program to begin with. Look at it this way, when Ford comes out with a new car, it can come out with "after market" items such as dashboard covers more quickly than other manufacturers because they've been working with the car since conception. That doesn't mean that no other company can make dashboard covers that fit the new Ford car. There will simply be a delay for third party manufacturers because they have to wait for the car to come out before they can get all the specs, fit the covers, make the promos featuring the new cover on the new car, etc. (BTW: that analogy is mine so if it's awkward, please yell at me, not Brian or rbtwhiz.) ;-) Hope this helps, Cres
DCArt posted Sun, 21 March 2004 at 5:19 PM
PapaBlueMarlin posted Sun, 21 March 2004 at 5:43 PM
ok... so its not an issue of excluding the 3rd party market, just delaying it.
Caly posted Sun, 21 March 2004 at 5:51 PM
A small delay can't be helped. They have to create the tools first, and test them.
Calypso Dreams... My Art- http://www.calypso-dreams.com
ToolmakerSteve posted Mon, 22 March 2004 at 1:35 AM
[Not in response to any particular post above.] I have read Daz comments, both in the lengthy locked thread initiated by movida, that developed into a meltdown between rbtwhiz and Anton: forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=3402 and in Bryan's "official" thread in the Commons: forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?p=30299 As a longtime technologist, I find DAZ' actions entirely reasonable. Unfortunately, the concerns raised by Anton and others are also well-founded. I have tried to point out the validity and depth of such concerns, drawing on my experience inside other companies, in posts in the latter thread. My hope is that a public discussion of fundamental tensions in this situation, will lead to something positive. At minimum, to fewer sudden surprises. So, wander on over there, and add YOUR two cents :-D
ToolmakerSteve posted Mon, 22 March 2004 at 1:42 AM
In case I didn't make that clear: the second thread mentioned is in a place everyone can access -- you don't have to be Platinum Club member. So, its a good place to engage DAZ representatives in a thoughtful, public, discussion. - - - - - Crescent - your Ford analogy is brilliant.
PheonixRising posted Mon, 22 March 2004 at 3:55 PM
Crescent has misquoted and is mistaken.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
Caly posted Mon, 22 March 2004 at 4:27 PM
How so? I saw the same threads?
Calypso Dreams... My Art- http://www.calypso-dreams.com
PheonixRising posted Mon, 22 March 2004 at 4:47 PM
whatever
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
Crescent posted Mon, 22 March 2004 at 7:06 PM
Anton, please tell me where I'm wrong and I'll be glad to fix my mistake(s). Thanks, Cres
ToolmakerSteve posted Mon, 22 March 2004 at 7:26 PM
Anton, I feel that Crescent has reasonably conveyed DAZ people's statements. In THAT sense, he is not "mistaken". The important question is, are their actions matching their words? You have made it clear that, from your perspective, you encountered something in DAZ' actions, that deeply troubles you. Those of us who are watching all this from the "outside", have no way of sorting truth from fiction in all this. You've raised a "warning" flag. We see your warning. Maybe best to let the matter lie for a time? I hate to see you dig yourself into an even deeper funk. It just isn't worth it... Please have faith in the community as a whole. However much you may feel personally hurt, trust that there is some way for us all to stumble forward.
MachineClaw posted Mon, 22 March 2004 at 7:38 PM
trips falls on face rolls over I want to go back the way I came, I don't want to go forward anymore, it's a scary place.
hauksdottir posted Mon, 22 March 2004 at 7:40 PM
Anton, I'm going to echo Steve a bit. We are aware, as consumers and developers, we are aware. If product cycles are anything like non-linear dynamics, you may have flapped the butterfly's wing at the right time to nudge the course, but it may also be best to see where this cycle goes before flapping yourself against the glass. Carolly
MachineClaw posted Mon, 22 March 2004 at 7:52 PM
I like to watch the grass grow. If your very still the butterflies will land very close and they are very pretty. The old man rocks at night. The old man rocks at night.
ToolmakerSteve posted Mon, 22 March 2004 at 9:49 PM
Carolly, thank you so much for such a poetic statement. That has the "right feeling" to me. :-D
PapaBlueMarlin posted Mon, 22 March 2004 at 10:50 PM
This thread is pretty long and this topic is obviously a sore spot for Anton. Perhaps it would be best to have it locked and resume this if and when Anton is ready.
ToolmakerSteve posted Mon, 22 March 2004 at 11:18 PM
Attached Link: http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=3596
Here is Bryan's latest statement of DAZ view on their plans going forward, including their decision to keep some features in Studio proprietary to their own models [i.e., what Anton said they were about to do, is indeed what they are doing. So give Anton credit for pointing this out.] What Bryan says, makes sense to me. I can work with this. And I am committed to making tools that help EVERYONE. You won't be COMPLETELY at the mercy of the "giant". I hope I am one small voice in a chorus showing that we can ALL benefit -- even if it is unavoidably true that the major beneficiary is DAZ. Believe me, beats the heck out of behavior by the dominant company in every industry *I've* ever seen! I'm not saying they are saints. But what human beings are? Maybe DAZ actually needs us third-party folk :-D
PheonixRising posted Tue, 23 March 2004 at 4:36 AM
Thanks Steve.
-Anton, creator of
ApolloMaximus: 32,000+ downloads
since 3-13-07
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
mabfairyqueen posted Thu, 29 April 2004 at 8:00 PM
byAnton posted Sun, 02 May 2004 at 6:58 AM
While your here notice what was said about Daz' new male. No mention of mesh or morphs. Just Mil male, same thing they are calling it.
-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
MachineClaw posted Sun, 02 May 2004 at 12:13 PM
Attached Link: http://www.daz3d.com/newsletter/daz/newsletter4_29_04.html?refid=885759917
Daz Newsletter dated April 29, 2004 "Come into the DAZ|Forum:Members-Only area and join in the discussion surrounding DAZ's upcoming male Millennium Figure and help pick out his name." The newsletter is at the link provided. The small image of the upcoming male millennium figure looks like Maximus, I actually thoguht it was Maximus with a M3 texture on it when I saw the tiny picture. I don't have PClub access so haven't seen more preview pictures.
PapaBlueMarlin posted Sun, 02 May 2004 at 12:28 PM
Steve, yeah DAZ needs 3rd party people because they only make figures and not clothes or hair.
compiler posted Sun, 02 May 2004 at 12:29 PM
I asked in the forum, and it I was told this guy will need his own wradrobe.
PapaBlueMarlin posted Sun, 02 May 2004 at 12:42 PM
LOL... no doubt. I just don't think this figure was what people had in mind when they complained about M3. Yeah, it satisfies the whole teen boy niche that DAZ failed at with the MilBoy. How history repeats itself, that figure was also based off of Vicki's mesh. I have not heard any merchants claiming to be working on content for the new unimesh figure so it should be interesting. I will probably buy him to use him as a shorter adult, but I was definitely looking more forward to playing with Maximus :(
byAnton posted Sun, 02 May 2004 at 1:17 PM
I mention my comments above again because of the post said I was trying to mislead people to think this new figure was a new mesh. I have pointed out to them what I wrote above never suggested anything of the sort. Even they call it a Mil figure. I simply would like it observed that I did not mislead anyone. Thanks and Regards, Anton
-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."