Some of the comments on my images have me thinking about the process of flame creation. When I first started playing with fractals, my attitude was that anyone could create them. They were a dime a dozen. No artistic ability was needed. I feel that way about flames right now. The whole process is very random. When I fire off 10 or 20 random batches of 100 images each, I am bound to find a good one, right? But, then I feel like I am really doing something by playing with the triangles. That's where the fartsy hits the artsy, right? Maybe. It is a little less random than 2000 batch images. Messing with the gradient is even less random, especially when used in conjunction with the UF gradient editor. I guess my point is that my feelings about flames and art are evolving the same way that my feelings evolved with normal fractals. Anyone can come up with a good spiral the same way that anyone can come up with a good flame. It's the next steps that matter most. It's the composition that makes the difference. That is not to say that stand alone flames are not very beautiful. I have many that I plan on putting in my personal web site, but they are all starting to look the same to me. This makes me want to put them into a composition of some kind, just to show that I do have some creativity, if I have any at all. I just thought I would share my thoughts... Keith