{please note before begining this will either make you ticked to high heaven or make you go hmmmmm. and for those who hate my posts why are you still reading if you dislike themO.o} Ok,,,, I actually noticed this I guess a few weeks back. there is something in the galleries {it seems to be contagiouse} called "myfriendsinflatemyego-itis" this is noted by symptoms such as 1-all work no matter what you post is GREAT no matter what. 2-everything you have ever done including that doodle on toilet paper is GREAT. it could be flat,dead,lifeless, empty, no shadow, no details,it could be scribbles with a crayon,it could be a spatter of coffee on a paper plate. it doesnt matter it is GREAT. 3-you start believing everything you do is GREAT and that anyone that says other wise is just jealouse because you are GREAT. 4-hordes of people that have either given you "myfriendsinflatemyego-itis" or share in it will retaliate on anyone that tries to say otherwise. 5-this disease is also associated with the "Icandonowrong-itis" now see I noticed this one day when I uploaded a picture I was just not happy with it is..ok..nothing else..and ok is being very generouse to it really. it is just blaaaaahhhhhhhh...but sure enough it was GREAT.{that pic was taken down not even 24 hours later because it was clawing at my very eyes } at this time I decided to really actually go peeking around{insert mission impossable theme music} not just the old accusations that run in the forums from time to time about cliques and rigged votes..but actually look around in all the galleries and I noted this disease. Now the thing is that the disease "myfriendsinflatemyego-itis" actually has side effects. such as 1-stagnation of work. because why would you try anything different ..you are GREAT. 2-lack of progress in skills. again why should you try anything new you are GREAT. 3-in bad cases you can get an actual decline in effort or skill. 4-a large inflated ego can also cause problems with perception of reality and qualtiy. you start to wonder why -everyone- doesnt see that you are GREAT. while renderosity has a drop down with several choices. it seems that the disease "myfriendsinflatemyego-itis" effects computers as well. it seems only two choices actually work on this drop down menu. that is excellent and great. I have checked with norton and avg..and they do not have anything that scans for the virus that seems to deactivate the other choices in rendos rank menu. ~clears her throat again~ This is a public service anouncement hopeing to bring awareness of this disease. while it may look like you are supporting your friends actually you are tieing a blindfold over their eyes and tieing their hands and minds. Friends dont let friends operate art proggies with "myfriendsinflatemyego-itis". If you care about your friends..you will tell them{that is nice but you need a)better lighting b)better shadowsc)better texturec)better techinique D) any of the above and then some. progress in skills does not come from constant pat on the backs. progress does not come with "myfriendsinflatemyego-itis" Now dont confuse helping with being bitchy. that is{Iamgreatandyouallsuck-itis} though the two diseases somethings attack the same person, one thing is nasty remarks putting work down, another is creative critiquing that allows a person to see something they didnt see before and learn new ground to fix it. As artists {or hobbiests} growth is needed. to increase ones skills you have to get critisised at some point. if you are constantly told you are wonderful great etc..you dont even know what to correct or what to work on. I think every artist I know is always in a process of growth of learning of bettering their skill. so please, lets us trounce the "myfriendsinflatemyego-itis" lets help our fellow artists. Lets encourage growth and learning of art proggies. Lets correct bad lighting, lets help under-developed shadows, lets reach out and help post work, lets raise awareness of hair movement{not to mention other movements} lets get the jewelry moving with the head lean,the dress to drape with the curve..the elbow to bend correctly, lets build those biceps on models...:) {disclaimer:this was written with humor intended but to convey actual message of awareness that always telling someone their are great or their work is perfect will not do them favors. for those wishing to send hate mail,death threats,rants etc...please address it to sorrythisisnotarealaddy@notrealmailbox.com}

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I tried to send you a virus, but your e-mail wasn't working. Are you sure you gave the right address? I will rather not comment about the rest, lol, seeing as I have never posted one of my "artworks" as they all suck.

Yeah, give us your street address instead. We want to come over at tea time and eat all your crumpets! O.o

what a great post! It's really great. More like perfect.

I came, I rendered, I'm still broke.

no you are not geting the crumpets! though I have lovely scones.

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All kidding aside, it's the "Emperor has no clothes" in digital high speed bandwidth. Well said.

I came, I rendered, I'm still broke.

Welcome to Renderosity! :-) bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

All your Crumpets Are Belong 2 Us! Bwahahaha...And Yer Scone's Too!

for a moment their I heard the witch from wizard of oz O.o not my scones! those are mine! how bout a chip butty

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Hmmm. I wouldn't say this was an illness in "all" the galleries. I've participated in the 3dsMax forum/galleries for a while before coming to the Poser ones, and there were far less of the hobnobbing going on over there (albeit there is also far less activity in that forum as well). Not saying it's good or bad, but there seemed to be more genuine honest "critiques" of images over there than I have observed here. Now let's be honest, anything can appeal to almost anyone. For god's sake, the most famous art galleries (real ones) in the world are filled with splattered-paint-on-canvas rubbish that took mere moments to create, but are adored by millions. HOWEVER, that being said, I think part of the reason the Poser community isn't always taken quite as "serious" as other 3D users is because when people from places like CGtalk come here, all they see is "your wonderful!" posted in the comments of most pics that are obviously done by absolute beginners. Nothing even remotely critical is tolerated by the masses on this site for the most part, which really doesn't appeal to those who are looking to improve their art. Sometimes even the slightest negative comment done in good faith is instantly attacked by "friends" of the poster, or followed by a mass-posting of "DON'T CHANGE A THING!" posts when someone suggests adding or removing an element. I think that's why most people feel comfortable here, and that's why this place is so popular (although I'm not sure it's more popular than CGtalk). Beginners can post their stuff here and not worry about getting critiqued to death. I DO believe this place could benefit from creating seperate gallery categories in each software forum for "beginners" and "advanced" artists. Then we'd know more clearly if we should comment with a serious and honest critique, or be light and fluffy with our comments. :)

Tools : 3dsmax 2015, Daz Studio 4.6, PoserPro 2012, Blender v2.74

System: Pentium QuadCore i7, under Win 8, GeForce GTX 780 / 2GB GPU.

I'd hazard a bet that some of the "myfriendsinflatemyego-itis" is actually "Iinflatemyownegothroughmultipleaccounts-itis" Someone puts up a piece not suitable for even fish wraping and gets great and glowing comments are quite likely worse talent, no talents friends or his own 'puppet' accounts

Why shouldn't speech be free? Very little of it is worth anything.

LOL, DarkElegance, like the way you approach the subject in this way :) However, it seems to me that you must be relatively new here. Let me explain: Once things WERE different, people could give pointers to each other and receive them. Most of time this was done in a civil manner and it was very helpful to see what could be improved. There were also those whose work stood out more, they would get the occassional comment on improving some minor point but there was also a general consensus as to who were the "best". Then, someone got it into their head to play a mean, nasty trick on them. A troll by the name of Zooh went on a rampage through the Top images and lowered everybody's score who had a perfect rating to make some sort of statement - one which he tried to express in pseudo-broken English (Yes, being an English teacher I can tell when someone is not a native speaker and honestly makes mistakes and when it's feigned!) Needless to say people got upset, egos were shattered and and some even took down their galleries. Zooh disappeared after a very short while but the damage he caused is manifested in what you so aptly see in the galleries now. And it's not just "friends". I almost never get any comments suggesting improvements and can assure you the people posting are for the most part unknown to me. It's a "stepping on eggshells" mentality and no one wants to be accused of being jealous or spiteful. It's also very difficult for someone without a gallery here to be heard when they remark on some aspect of technique or aesthetics. "And where is YOUR art?", was the response she/he would most often get :) In addition, the fact that Rosity has quadrupled in membership also makes people more hesitant - it's not the cosy little community it once was with everyone freely chiming in - I know I've become more of a lurker (hey, you get some credit for bringing me out today!)

You have friends? Scarab

maxxxmodelz yes you have also seen the symptoms of "myfriendsinflatemyego-itis" ~nods~ it is not as bad in all places..or all galleries but there seems to be a growing epidemic in renderosity. comfort can be good...but honesty can raise the bar and make you reach new levels.

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" I'd hazard a bet that some of the "myfriendsinflatemyego-itis" is actually "Iinflatemyownegothroughmultipleaccounts-itis" Someone puts up a piece not suitable for even fish wraping and gets great and glowing comments are quite likely worse talent, no talents friends or his own 'puppet' accounts" Perhaps one or two comments would account for this, but not dozens. I've seen some pretty "amateur" images (sorry if I offend anyone with that descriptive term, but in 3D art, there is a pretty clear distinction) with literally a dozen or more "excellent" comments, and even votes for the top 20. It's one of the reasons I have not posted any of my works to this site. I like the site, don't get me wrong, and I'm not saying everyone is like that... but when I post an image, I do expect some people to commment honestly. I have posted several of my works to CGTalk under a different alias than I use here, but I'm still debating with myself if I should even bother posting to the galleries here. Most works here get burried and forgotten within an hour or less, and if people don't know you, they rarely comment on the pic anyway.

Tools : 3dsmax 2015, Daz Studio 4.6, PoserPro 2012, Blender v2.74

System: Pentium QuadCore i7, under Win 8, GeForce GTX 780 / 2GB GPU.

Kalypso ahh that must of been a great time. just one person was able to destroy it all? ~hears the opening theme for star wars......."in a gallery far far away in a time long long ago....."

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Kalypso has a point. Often when I see a pic that is.. shall we say.. less than perfect, I simply choose NOT to comment on it, and I bet a lot of people feel the same way: You comment whenever you have something nice to say (OR when one of your friends posts a pic...) I know I have also posted comments like "nice lightning" and skipped the "but your character looks like a pretzel" bit. In general I think people here wants to be NICE. So they post NICE comments. I remember once I had posted a picture. I really liked it but there was a major mistake on it - a braid going thru the character's head (ouch!) I honestly hadn't even noticed or I WOULD have fixed it before posting. Sure enough, among the "oh nice" comments, someone pointed out that braid. And my first thought WAS (I'm sorry to admit) "What a jerk!". Of course that person was absolutely RIGHT, but you do get so used to the "Oh nice" comments that a real honest critique hits you right between the eyes. Zooh was before my time here, so I haven't expirienced him/her. A side effect of the "allmypicsaregreat-itis" is that WHEN you, once in a while produce a REALLY great pic.. what do you expect? Since all your picture are "excellent" how about this new, REALLY stunning pic? Well, it is "also excellent" You've washed out the superlative by calling even mediochre things excellent. Personally I VERY rarely vote on pictures at all, and when I do, I have only once or twice voted Excellent, I usually vote GREAT when I vote. For precicely that reason: If everything is excellent, you can't vote for the REALLY STUNNING anymore. Now don't get me wrong, polishes halo I LOVE when people post nice comments on my pictures. I LOVE when they vote "EXCELLENT" on my pictures. I absolutely suffer from Myfriendsinflatemyego-itis. But I TRY to at least be AWARE of it 0:o)

This is one of the few art communities I've seen that has actually built itself around the "vote" and "ratings" premise. It's basically like sitting around with family and friends and showing off what your did for the sheer exhaultation of hearing the "oooohhhh's" and "aaaahhhhh's", never expecting Uncle Joe to say... "you really need more detail in the facial characteristics". LOL. Again, it's the very reason most people feel comfortable here, but also why some people get fed up and choose to ravage the comfort zone with sabatoge.

Tools : 3dsmax 2015, Daz Studio 4.6, PoserPro 2012, Blender v2.74

System: Pentium QuadCore i7, under Win 8, GeForce GTX 780 / 2GB GPU.

I think the top artists should battle to the death in an open arena of combat. The audience can bet Quatloos on the contest. Winning artist shall reign supreme and may eat the dead artists' carcasses at their leasure. At least that would be more exciting than the voting system and a bit of a change of pace. That way people could then post complaints about having arms nad legs torn off instead of about ego posts.

Good critique actually requires more effort than merely typing 'ooh, great', and usually deserves a 'thank you' even if you personally disagree with the remarks. There is no obligation to change anything about your image to suit someone else's preferences, of course, but a second (third, fourth...) pair of eyes can often pick up on details missed due to being 'too close' to an image during its creation. It's rather like having a proof-reader read a piece of writing: the number of times I've missed out a word in a sentence, yet managed to 'read it into' the paragraph when checking it myself! So if you find someone willing to resk a knee-jerk 'don't criticise me!' reaction, try to be nice, even if you think they're wrong (and a year down the line, you may even realise they were right after all). Now that sounds preachy. Sorry, that's not the intention. It's as much a reminder-to-self and a comment to others.

'AS a comment to others', not 'and'. And very funny first post, DarkElegance!

OMG like celebraty death match! omg too funny. we all like geting praised not a bad thing it is when it stops being the genuine article and start being the "myfriendsinflatemyego-itis" when there is NEVER anything wrong with a pic. when every single thing is GREAT. I mean if everything is great..then what? there is no brass ring to reach for. not only that but when the diseases hits alot of people they will attack. they are easily riled and will form bands of roving "NOyouareperfectdonoteverchange-itis" infected people. change ...is good. hard...difficult...sometimes disheartening...but good.

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This is my first forum post.

Way before I became an active member, I was but a simple lurker going by the name of Raventree. I witnessed the disease about a year and a half ago, and it has happily festered since then.

Although I think the symptoms described do not apply to everyone. In fact, the victims of mass praise are more often than not artists who posted one or a few outstanding images once in their life. After that, they could post inferior stuff and it would still be labeled the next best thing - not a single constructive comment (how dare you confront such a marvelous artist?

I started making Neverwinter Nights portraits for the Neverwinter Vault at IGN and I am used to people bashing (constructively) my stuff whenever it was inferior to my previous posts. After a while, I had standards to keep up, and sometimes ditched whole projects because they didn't look good enough. No regrets, though. I couldn't have evolved without the criticism, and I firmly believe in it.

Cheers,

Antonio (a.k.a. Amalthea)

I know I have also posted comments like "nice lightning" and skipped the "but your character looks like a pretzel" bit. Yup, me too. I can, in fact, give very detailed and (I'm told) helpful critiques, but I don't unless I'm very sure the person really wants an actual critique. If I comment, I just say something about the positive (nice composition, good lighting, etc.) and leave it at that. By the same token, I don't actually expect to get solid constructive criticism here. I post for the sake of sharing images that some people seem to enjoy looking at. If I want honest criticism, I have a small group of fellow artists who will happily pick my work to bits so that I can improve it. I know them, I trust them, and I'm happy to have them deconstruct my work. (I can take a critique as well as giving one, heh). Point is, this really isn't the place to get that kind of feedback. You may get some if you post that you really, honestly want it, but it's kind of random and the advice you get may or may not be worth taking. ;-) So, hey, nice lighting! Pity your Vicki's boobs are bigger than her head.... ;-) bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

Well DarkE, you're not the first to notice it by any means "myfriendsinflatemyego-itis" has been rampant in the poser gallery for months if not years, it's one of the reasons I stopped posting pics. How can anyone expect to compete or improve their skills if a certain few people get their "lovies" to vote them to the top of the shit pile every day? These days I ignore the galleries totally except for a few people who's artwork I know is something to drool over :)

Excellent post DarkElegance (and funny too, I might add!) I'm in the same camp with ernyoka1. I rarely rate images or post comments unless the artist has done something that I find exceptional in some way, or just plain like! Often times I simply can't find good words to explain what I like or, for that matter, don't like. Trying to tell someone that their lighting or shadows aren't quite right would be difficult since I'm not that good at those things myself and would not be in a good position to provide tips on how to improve! I do appreciate constructive criticism of my own work.....especially if the criticism is accompanied by a link to a tutorial to help correct a problem or an explanation of how to do it better. Finally,everyone's tastes are different and what looks bad to me, might look awesome to the next person.

I agree with DarkElegance and I must say most times when I vote I vote for excellent, but now...after this post I realise how many times I've seen some fantastic artwork and I thought: "I've voted for excellent a worst image,what should I vote for that?" and then I don't post a comment at all...Or vote the usual OMG,Fantastic,Amazing etc... Then sometimes I see something that annoys me in an image but I don't have the courage to write it when everyone before me enjoys ecstasy with the image.And then again I don't comment at all... I enjoy critic and thats the only reason I post my images here...Just like I enjoy critic from my friends when they come at home and I show them my pictures and make comments like "Why they are all naked?" or "Why all women have huge lips?" etc... Comments that none would make here I guess that when I'll become a great artist I'll never allow anyone comment my work! :-)

Hehehe... one funny scenerio comes to mind from this conversation... I was browsing the 3DSMax galleries one time, and came across a pic of an interior scene that was actually done quite well. However, I noticed the artist was using a renderer plugin for Max that I myself use and noticed that his render contained some render "artifacts" (blotches in the shadows and materials) that I know for a fact are the result of not increasing the default values on some of the render settings. Anyway, I pointed this out in my comment and told him how to correct the problem. The next day there were 6 or 7 posts under mine that said things like... "Don't listen to him, it's beautiful!" LOL I couldn't believe people were actually telling him NOT to correct a known SOFTWARE glitch! Apparently, they thought it was "artistic expression" for him not to know any better. LOL! Oh boy. :( PS: The funny thing is, he bought into it all. He posted a message thanking them all for their support, but ignored my tip on how to correct the render problem. hehe.

Tools : 3dsmax 2015, Daz Studio 4.6, PoserPro 2012, Blender v2.74

System: Pentium QuadCore i7, under Win 8, GeForce GTX 780 / 2GB GPU.

Soooo.... now that everyone in this post seems to agree; will people -do- anything about it ? ~S

Probably not ;)

Has anyone noticed that the butt kissin clique hasnt posted a peep in this thread? I'm amazed it took anyone this long to notice the "desease" as you put it. I've been flamed to high heaven for even daring to critique a clique members post. Everytime this pack of loyal, but less than bright, hounds point out that the critics "only have one or two pictures in their gallery" or "are just jealous" or "have no talent" etc etc ad nauseum. Nice to be appreciated for providing constructive critisism. I am disgusted every day by posts with 50+ comments and 40+ rankings of flowery praise and lavish butt kissery for a image that at best is good. not excellent, not great, but good. The galleries are not a talent contest. lets get this straight right now. They are a popularity contest. nothing more, nothing less. The name gets the rankings and comments, not the "art". I'll keep posting my working and showing it off to my friends when they want to look. The clique hounds can keep their insincere comments for members of their circle. I prefer the honest critics thanks.

I'll continue to give constructive crits whenever I feel they are warranted... after all, it says that's what the comment field is for right in the description... "Your HELPFUL comments for improving this image" is the direct quote from the feedback form in EVERY gallery. Some folks must read that as "Fill in your sloppiest ass kissing comment here". ;)

Tools : 3dsmax 2015, Daz Studio 4.6, PoserPro 2012, Blender v2.74

System: Pentium QuadCore i7, under Win 8, GeForce GTX 780 / 2GB GPU.

One thing we could do... I would suggest creating a template that we could automatically add to a post's notes, stating that we accept constructive bashing (but not trolling!) and are willing to take the suggestions into account for our future creations. That way we don't scare off those who are afraid to be flamed for their criticism and instead invite them to a mature debate. Of course, that won't eliminate the butt-kissing clique, but I don't think they are the problem. We can sort out the comments ourselves and seperate the praise from the real comments. What do you think?

I think thats a good idea, and it won't hurt to try. If you posted an outline of how you "see" it in the community center, those of us who agree could support it, cross-application wise, if you see what I mean ? ~S

I'm game! Hey, I don't kid myself, I'm no artist. Never had any formal training and haven't dabbled in conventional mediums since I was in school. I'm an English teacher and would rather sit down and write those 1,000 words the picture's supposed to be worth :) Believe me, I know what stagnant feels like and would appreciate constructive criticism from those who would take the time to give it.

ahhhh the flames...yes bad. sometimes a symptom of "Iamgreatandyouallsuck-itis" flames..bad. creative suggestions..good. I like the template idea but see the disease seems to somehow attack drop down menus and such. while there are more then one rank..only two seem to work. also the disease seems to cause an adverse reaction to such critism. as mentioned with the 3dmax plug in. this is where the disease attacks the creative process..it stunts growth of skills, seems to almost halt the learning ability of some artists. it seems it also causes vicki to loose all her clothes. now I have not a lick of problem with vicki being naked. naked not a problem. naked vicki siting in a setting where you are asking.."why the heck is she naked?" is different. I have yet to see a single woman in combat naked. I think{though not sure}that when one purchases a firearm there is actually a rule that states you shall not go into open battle naked. While NakedVickiInTemples are a tradition. I think unless there is a valid reason for her to be naked{such as being a priestess for a fertility cult or such} that new members are given a quote of only two unexplained naked woman standing in a temple. Nudity is not bad. nudity with out logic can get abit unnerving. the illness causes the perception that all naked no matter what is GREAT. ~.~ it is far to late for me ....3am...isnt there a song with that title...~wanders off~

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ohh P.S. Kalypso....I have no formal training at all. none. so dont let that idea stop you...jump in and play ;)

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Anoter thing to do is to disable the voting on your pictures.. it's actually something you have to actively select ;o) Same as the comments... But by eliminating those, you also eliminate any contructive critique :o) so.. I'd suggest leaving them on.

Naked babes are a whole different chapter, DarkElegance... but it's worth discussing. ;) Regarding dropdown menus though... since it's a broken feature (the concept is great, but users make it obsolete - a problem derivated directly from the butt-kissing clique), we might as well ignore it and focus on the real criticism provided by a select few viewers. Praise is great, though, as long as it is not limited to one word sentences in bold, 27 point characters accompanied by funny symbols and images. ;) Cheers, Antonio.

I don't frequent the galleries much here, but on another public site now deceased I used regularly to post constructive criticism until I realised it was generally rather badly received. Matters are easier on a private site where a small group of artists can post and comment on each other's work in an honest and open way, because we all know each other and there's no element of showing off to the public.

It's about being nice and about some being very good artists but it's also about the e-bots! "This notification is to make you aware that one of your favorite artists, XYZ, has uploaded a new gallery image. You may view this image by clicking the following link:...." People, who are on many favorite artists lists, get a lot of comments in very short time after uploading an image, because you just have to click the link in you mail, comment and that's it. It's much more time consuming to browse the galleries and view and comment images. I've seen some very good pieces, that had only the few comments by viewers who had found the image by chance. They surely were not on many favorites lists.

Hmmmm, well I never use to post to my gallery, now I do for myself. I was here during that time, it was sad.....this is my release here, I get enough bad comments in the real world, but I can take a good critic. Interesting topic. Sharen

Let's get one thing clear, the pics posted here are supposed to be "ART"...Art is subjective, meaning what one person thinks needs improvement, another may feel is brilliant. Therefore what makes one an expert, so they have the right or expertise to tell another person how to improve their pic. so basically it boils down to if you like the pic say so, if you don't move on and say nothing.
being around here a while I noticed, most of the know it alls, that said this or that needs improvement, were the ones that weren't very good at this themselves. So to finish this story, if you want hits and comments post flowing hair and boobs, if you want to actually learn something try doing something different, probably won't be a popular pic (unless you are on the popular list here), but it will make you grow in your ability.

What to do ? Well how about a group to review the commentators ? These could remove/modify the rating/comment priveliges from anyone who gave out consistently excellent/lousy awards. Alternatively, members could have a fixed quota of rating points to hand out per month. This could be overseen by the same group as above Then we need a group to oversee the reviewers, in order to weed out any signs of unfairness. And so on .. Qui custodiet custodies.

So, simply ignore all "GREAT" unless they are accompanied by practical suggestions to be "GREATER"?

Ratings are over-reated. I personally think they should do away with them, they're obsolete for the reasons stated above a few times. Everyone votes Excellent. This is why I don't allow ratings on my images. Here lately, I've even begun to ponder disabling comments as well. I get a ton of comments on some of my images, not so many on others. I post them for other's enjoyment (and my own) as well as to get some honest constructive criticism to improve my skills. (I can't spell, don't hang me. ;)) Someone said something above about the Favorite Artist lists as well. I agree with that as well. As far as the top 20 images, half the time I don't even bother looking, because each time I do, there are about three artists that fill the thing to the brim. I've hit it a couple of times, and have had to be told I was there because I never expect to get there. It's pretty meaningless to me. I do enjoy it when people like my images, but I like it more when they see my mistakes.

(sorry for the repost .. rosity forums really need an edit button) There should be a category for artists who want constructive criticsm to post under. I, for one, will always post under that category if there was one. I had a friend getting admin warnings just because he made a very critical comment (pointing out several many boo-boos, but also saying about the good parts of the image) after a string of high-praising comments already posted for that pic, and the artist got touchy and complained to the admin to send the poster a warning(?!). Personally I hardly give a constructive comment unless it's to a close friend whom I know accepts these types. I normally just dont comment at all if I think a pic still needs work lol Just agreeing ;) - Dru

I have put in a few comments here and there on ppl's work, and I suppose I'm one of the ones who is always complimentary. My reasoning is why bother to go out of your way to tell someone you don't like their work? I'm not a pro at poser, not even close, so just about anything people do looks good to me. Oh yeah, and post more toonimals. MoxeyH

Actually I have indeed posted critiques on a few images - surprisingly I have more oftenthan not received an email from the creator thanking me for being honest and stating it was helpful. Unfortunately when there is a large group of infected ones posting that an image is fabulous the honest critiques get lost as unimportant, outweighed by the "Oh kewl". One specific artist comes to mind (although there are many). The work never changes, is usually badly put together, same lighting, same blank stare, heck identical looking texture and generally the same hair in every single image. This artist might have gotten better if some had been honest but instead there are droves of "that is awesome!" "that is amazing" "oooh that's hot" etc. comments. Instead of doing the artist a favor by boosting the ego the artist's work has actually gotten worse/sloppier over time with intersecting body parts and slap together images. The infected group still posts that the images are stunning and those who might say otherwise are drowned out or overlooked. The artist is a genuinely nice person with many friends and that only make s the infection take hold all that much more. In reality when looking at a scenario like that one has to realize that they don't actually want critiques - they just want to be told something is pretty. I think that in that case - where a poster really only wants positive feedback they should state - "Did this for fun, not as art or for critiques". I don't think that those who are willing to take constructive criticiscm should have to post something special when that is what the feedback form is supposedly for. My rule of thumb is always find something nice before posting about improvements. Then again I've had an image slammed by someone who simply didn't like the fact that it was a heavy woman posing in the nude which imo is not an art critique but personal taste, there were plenty of actual things wrong with that pic. Sometimes people don't know where that line is.

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I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
-Galileo

I comment on images for one of two reasons ... (1) If an image really strikes my fancy; or (2) if I catch a render that uses one of the items I created, it really makes me happy and I take the time to comment as a gesture of thanks I agree about the idea of having a "Tell It Like It Is" gallery. The artist will not post images in there unless he or she wants CONSTRUCTIVE, and HONEST feedback on his or her art. I would probably put a lot of my own in there as well, because as soon as I get LightWave 8, I will devote my art to learning IT. 8-) Mods/PTB, what do you think?

There should be a category for artists who want constructive criticsm to post under. I, for one, will always post under that category if there was one.

That's an interesting idea. I suppose the WIP gallery might be the place to post...but even there, you don't get much criticism.

That might be the solution, though. Separate people who want constructive criticism from those who don't. Either have a gallery just for people who welcome criticism...or just for people who don't.

I will say that I've gotten some useful criticism. It's more common in the Vue gallery than in Poser, but I've gotten some in the Poser gallery, too. However, it's not easy to carry on a conversation, so to speak, in the galleries. Since no one can reply to your comments without deleting their previous commments, and if you post a corrected image, there's no guarantee that your critics will see it, unless they've added you to their favorite artists list.

6000 quatloos on the newcomer!..;)
I don't comment on stuff I don't care for, so it's mainly stuff I like, or when I notice something historical or grammatically or spelled incorrectly, giving the works some ironic meanings..;) always tempering the criticism as something I think can easily be fixed (scaling, textures, etc.), with encouragement.
there are also those who can't stomach any sort of criticism..have had my head taken off once or twice..insurance only covers stitches so far..;)
we do develop our 'amen corners' (the Southern description of this..;), and they comment more often than not..but I'll take comments in most forms, good or bad..and you can say I suck, but ya gotta tell me why..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

"Let's get one thing clear, the pics posted here are supposed to be "ART"...Art is subjective, meaning what one person thinks needs improvement, another may feel is brilliant. Therefore what makes one an expert, so they have the right or expertise to tell another person how to improve their pic. so basically it boils down to if you like the pic say so, if you don't move on and say nothing." Dirk..if thats the way you want to do things then fine..do it that way. whatever floats your boat. But I have noticed a few know it alls around here who seem to think that their methods of commenting and ranking are the way everyone should do it. Sound familiar? What gives me the right to comment on a artists image is the fact that they WANT comments. I'll not pass up an invitation to point out a great image, or to point out the flaws in what COULD be a great image. I dont usually comment on the crappy ones, unless someone trys to pass off photograph fakes as poser (pet peave). The crappy images speak for themselves i think LOL .

The crappy images speak for themselves i think LOL . But I think what dirk was trying to say is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What one person thinks is "crap" can be beautiful in the eyes of someone who would be happy to reach that level of artistic expression. I've seen paintings in art galleries that look like someone opened a can of paint and threw it in the air. I seriously wonder WHY this is considered art, but some people think it is. 8-)

I like good criticism, that helps me not to repete the same mistake over-over again. I've a degree in Art, but it was way before computers. This is a whole new ballgame. I can paint anything with watercolors, oils, etc. but not on a computer.:O) After reading all this I'm not going to put the check in rate box. I do think it's lots of fun to have an image in the hot 20. I use to post 1-3 images a day. I just can't do that anymore. I'm lucky to get one done. To get lots of comments on your posts, it takes writting good comments on all you possiable can, and then writing thank yous to those who comment. Now there is no way I have time for that. It's a waste of time to write thank yous. I say thank you on the post. Something I noticed, is if you dig out old clothes or hair, and even have a decent post, your comments will be lower. One of the things is promating products. I do this, but when and how I feel like. This makes some merchance not too happy, then you won't get the next product free. I have come to the conculsion that I would rather make what I want, than have strings on what I post. There are some really great art work on the gallerys. But there is also some butt ughy, awful things. I have tried giving help and it does not work. I do not like trollers or people bashing my artwork if they just don't like the subject or style. But I sure well come the people who have helped me in the past. I do what I feel in Posts, and then I have some That I post because I think of them as public awareness. Abuse, taking care of our earth, etc. Thank you if you read this. :O)

Love is Grandchildren.

" Let's get one thing clear, the pics posted here are supposed to be "ART"...Art is subjective, meaning what one person thinks needs improvement, another may feel is brilliant. Therefore what makes one an expert, so they have the right or expertise to tell another person how to improve their pic." This is true, however, there is a CLEAR difference in 3D art (as opposed to other mediums like painting and drawing) of what consists of skill, and what is just a beginner's attempts. Unlike other mediums, 3D art is dependant on your skill and knowledge of a software program, and is more technical than emotional. Art is art, but when someone attempting to create a "realistic" image in 3D clearly doesn't know how to use some features (like pressing the anti-alias button for example, or turning ON the shadows button or bump channel, or deviating from the default factory settings such as lighting colors, or making sure the models are touching the GROUND and not hovering in mid air when they shouldn't be)then it becomes quite apparent. "being around here a while I noticed, most of the know it alls, that said this or that needs improvement, were the ones that weren't very good at this themselves." Since when does someone who critiques someone else's art have to be an expert themselves? There's no rule that says you have to be an expert to know when something doesn't "look" right. The syndrome of "well can YOU do it?" simply stems from taking offense at the blow to one's ego. You do know that most movie critics aren't movie producers. And most art critics can't paint. ;)

Tools : 3dsmax 2015, Daz Studio 4.6, PoserPro 2012, Blender v2.74

System: Pentium QuadCore i7, under Win 8, GeForce GTX 780 / 2GB GPU.

Turtle ... I have commented on some of your images and all of the comments that you receive are well deserved. You are an EXCELLENT artist who truly does deserve the praise that you get. Don't let this thread discourage you.

"Don't let this thread discourage you." Deecey, I don't understand why this thread would discourage ANYONE from posting their works. If people are so fearful of the slightest constructive criticism, why do they present their works for public scrutiny? When artists get their work hung in galleries, even the most abstract pieces instantly become subject to open and public criticism as well as praise. It's all part of being a published artist. :)

Tools : 3dsmax 2015, Daz Studio 4.6, PoserPro 2012, Blender v2.74

System: Pentium QuadCore i7, under Win 8, GeForce GTX 780 / 2GB GPU.

Yup, indeed it is. You know what a large part of the problem is? Actually, there are two ... (1) With creativity also comes deep feeling. I think that is all part of the creative process because it comes from the same place. (2) Expressing thought and feeling in writing is difficult. I can say "Wow, what inspired you to create that picture?" and it can be taken as either good or bad in writing if you don't hear the tone and inflection behind it. Artists are a sensitive lot ... and often times, if they see criticism in their comments it can be taken entirely different than the critique intended. So maybe there are actually TWO solutions to this ... (1) Create a forum and gallery where critique is welcome by the poster; and (2) Have those who make critiques PROMISE that they will try to critique eloquently and go beyond "That is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO great!!!" 8-)

Ironically I suffer from this illness as well. My adult renders get pretty high praise in the community I cater too. Sadly, people jump on the band wagon so much that sometimes I'll post a piece of crap and they say its great. I actually appreciate people who critique my stuff fairly. Getting inaccrate praise makes me get lazy at times. Yes, I can get an ego tick now and then especially when a critique is nothing more than "it sucks" but when its constructive I can deal with it way better. The other problem is that other artists who are actually doing better don't get the recognition they deserve. I have an online pal who does erotic work as well and does stuff that blows me away. We are constantly up-ing the anti on each others' renders. Sadly, since I have a more dominant name in our field, I get praise while he gets very little return, which upsets me cause I know at times he's doing way better with his work. Accurate and fair critique is important.

"I have an online pal who does erotic work as well and does stuff that blows me away. We are constantly up-ing the anti on each others' renders." It's too bad "erotic" material is completely banned from this website, since I have personally seen some work done in that genre that is mind blowing - technically speaking. But I see your point, and I know for a fact that there are some highly prolific 3D artists outside of Renderosity who shun posting to this site because of it's cliques, and sadly if they did post here, they almost certainly wouldn't get the kind of recognition they truly deserve from the community as a whole. Partly because they don't use Poser, and partly because they don't have friends here to draw attention to their work. :(

Tools : 3dsmax 2015, Daz Studio 4.6, PoserPro 2012, Blender v2.74

System: Pentium QuadCore i7, under Win 8, GeForce GTX 780 / 2GB GPU.

LOL Two topics for an entirely different "pet peeve" thread ... cliques and erotic art. 8-)

DarkElegance, I totally agree with you, thanks for having post this fantastic message, I wanted to post a similar one but some poser guys are attacking a lot this kind of message, they just want to hear that they are perfect in C.G.

O.O dear god I went to bed and it grew! okokok One, This thread was NOT ment to be a thread about flameing or bashing. There is a HUGE difference between the "Iamgreatandyouallsuck-itis" and being constructive. One is usually done "bitchy" "catty" and with out any true contructiveness about it. the other is when you actually have an interest and take the time to help and artist. constructive critism is not bad. it helps it makes you grow{that is if you dont have this disease} it takes the bar and ups it. "if you dont like it dont look" the thing is. if you "like it" and care about the artists you are going to take the small moment to go "this is great you need to work on the shadows/lights/texture/painting/etc and it will really make it POP" THAT is not a bad thing. that is showing them something that can make their work better. now dont get me wrong there is work here that IS great that you look at and it is like O.O the brass ring. something to strive for. "What one person thinks is crap another thinks is beautiful" true very true. but one lesson I learned as I ran into, while recovering from the early symptoms of this disease{yes..I am DarkElegance and I am a recovering from "myfriendsinflatemyego-itis"...} is that somethings in art are consistant. not just in poser art but in all art. is it style..no. is it technique? no.. is it a proggy or medium..no. it is somethings that no matter if it is abstract,realism,postmodern..anything it has certain elements.{lighting,composition,flow,etc} when working with 3d art...even harder. why? because I dont care if it is the new mona lisa of the world. you have a bad joint break..and leg that is just not naturally suppose to bend that way...something poking throug.,..no shadows,,bad light source...those are not a "style" those are mistakes that any artist can take the time and fix. that will up their work. that will help them grow. THAT is the difference between "bitchy""catty" flaming...and being constructive. Someone up there said.."turtle dont let this thread discourage you".. why would you say something like that? because I am siting here saying that if you cared and was interest in what is best for the artist you would not just blow smoke up their rear?{P.S. Turtle that is not directed at you thought I'd say that before it got mistaken for that} you would take the moment and give a suggestion? that is not discouraging..and an artist needs to know that "not everyone is going to like it" is different from someone giving constructive critism, that just because someone or a list of someones is telling you you are GREAT..doesnt mean you are. or doesnt mean you dont need to polish some skills. it also doesnt mean that a person that brings you such constructive critism hates you or doesnt like your work. after all arent they bring you advice that might make your work better? if they didnt like your work or thought it had potential they wouldnt take the time to do so. "know it all'ers" hmm...you dont have to know it all to see that if your light is comming from the left there are going to be coresponding shadows...or if that maiden is standing in a castle ruin with nothing but moonlight she is not going to look like she is standing in a studio full lit. you dont need to be a know it all to see a elbow/knee/neck,etc is bent in a way you could never get the human body. it doesnt take a know it all to see a poke through, a bad drape, movement not corresponding with other factors{hair that doesnt sway with the head and yes I know many hairs dont have that morph but you can still get it, earings that no matter how extreme the head is bending look as if they are a part of the head that will never swing or lean or sway, etc} Somethings you dont have to be a know it all to see or bring up. I agree it is the way somethings are brought up that can rub an artist the wrong way. but an artist needs to realize that nothing is always and forever GREAT or PERFECT. I like fatales suggestion. a gallery for WIPS ..where we can get together and go "great idea you have a wonderful flow going ...try this that or the other...add a highlight or add a shadow or you need to adjust your lights..etc etc" Epi has one~shivers~ and trust me they will make you look all new at your work. I submitted an older piece one that was GREAT. and someone came and went .."her eyeballs look like they are just sitting in her head" I was like huh? I poped her open and sure enough due to using a eye prop..{actually it can happen with most eyes} the edge of the lacriminal and the eyeball was rather harsh. like she was wearing a glass eye. This person took the time to stop at a single post in the WIP...pop alink to the pic in question..and actually study the piece to try and help me. that doesnt sound like someone being mean or hateful or flaming or a know it all. I would of NEVER looked at something like that. I like the idea of a WIP here. Hey MOD/ADMINS...what you say? hmm? can we have a WIP?

https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/

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Someone up there said.."turtle dont let this thread discourage you"..why would you say something like that? I said that because when I first read the thread, I thought she felt discouraged and was not going to allow people to comment on her work. After I posted I went back and re-read and discovered I misinterpreted what she said - that she was only going to not check the RATING. By then someone had already posted a reply. Sheesh ...

We already have a wip.. under Gallery>Topic (scroll down menu). I was thinking more of a filter/category for pics where the artist is looking for criticsm :)

Uhm.. there IS a Work In Progress category in the galleries :o)

Ah crosspost with Fatale :o)

Er...we do have a WIP gallery. :-)

WIP gallery in my opinion is for the unfinished works. Personally I'd prefer criticsm on my finished work, so I can watch out and not make the same boo-boos in future work, but maybe that's just me ;)

ack okokok let me word that differently. a critique WIP forum..ok no a critique forum. {hey I am just geting my brain going today the pull string broke so it is taking me abit} Fatale exactly. what Fatale said~points up~ HEY but can we get an EDIT button??O.o

https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/

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LOL! I wish I -had- friends to inflate my meager ego!!! I do have a great brother who is merciless in his critique (bless him!) and a Mom who will tell me Vicky's head came out too small (after I spent FOREVER on the "PERFECT" render...) In a way it's hard to take when you spend so long on a picture, you think you got it all right, and the crowd hangs up on that one tiny flaw you overlooked in the middle of the night...But I'll take that over empty praise anytime. Now y'all, go and fawn over my gallery, ROFL!!!

L'ultima fòrza è nella morte.

How about another check box underneath the comments checkbox and the great/excellent checkbox (currently mis-labelled as a ratings option) A new, third option labelled constructive criticism that flags the image and lets people know the images' creator wants real, honest, genuine feedback instead of the saccharine "That is so kewl!" bollocks

I'll get you my pretty! And your little Scones too! Heheheee....I have no idea what a Chip Butty is, but if it's has anything to do with Chocolate Chips, I'll take em'! As for this buddyitis thing. I've already been the brunt of some buddyitis bashing in the Bryce forum when one popular member posted that he could "Share" certain B9 meshes with someone else and in his post he listed AofD's Robot B9. Being the person who paid Chris to Poserise that Mesh from Jame's Murphy's free mesh, I knew this person didn't have the right to redistribute that mesh and asked him if that was the mesh he was claiming as his own. Not only was I a jerk and told to Eff Off I got the same, "where's Your work buddy" as if I wasn't allowed to question a claim of ownership simply because at the time I had no gallery here. It wasn't like I outright called the guy a thief because I didn't. I asked him if he was claiming ownership of Chris's B9. You would have thought I'd accused him of stealing the Crown Jewel's of England from the backlash I got there. Funny thing is, when he asked for an appology I grasciously offered my appology but I never got one in return for the attack I had to suffer for his petty ego!

You know, that is the best idea yet. Well done!

Rubbermat great idea!!

https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/

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As a johnny come lately lurker to the renderosity creators creche, take this for what it's worth (sorry for the length)...

Disclaimer: I'm my own worst critic, I know when my work sucks, in fact I think all my work sucks, some of it just sucks less than others.

That being the case, from my perspective I would never post something in the Gallery section in hopes that I'd receive useful critiques. To me the gallery is simply a showroom/mutual appreciation society - or a place where horny netizens go for freebie online pseudo smut and cheesecake (hey let's be honest here). I sympathise with those who've been here for a while who have had a different experience in the past, but that's just what it looks like to me.

What I'm saying is, the galleries at this point seem to be just a place to look at pretty (or not so pretty) pictures - it doesn't really serve any more as a locus of craft development and perfection.

If/when I get to the point where a) I feel like I've soaked up enough of the VAST number of resources and information available out there to the extent that I truly am banging my head against the wall with some problem and can't find the solution with the handy search option above, or from googling for a tutorial, and b) actually have something worth going through the critique process - I would either come to this forum or the WIP forum and ASK for pointers/help/tomato slinging.

I don't think I'll ever post anything to the gallery - I doubt I'll ever feel I've done anything worth looking at outside a few specially interested parties, but I sure want to improve my skill,technique, craft and expand my awareness of the goodities and nicities possible with the tool. For that I'd say we're all better off comming to the forums here or elsewhere and posting for critique.

I realize this switches artists from behaving passively to behaving proactively when it comes to gleaning insight from others. I don't think the majority of people posting to the galleries at this point WANT to hear constructive critcism - they're not as bent on improving their craft, they are just in it for the attention, praise, expressive outlet, etc. And you know what - there's nothing wrong with that. But if you're wanting to take it to the next level, you'll do the legwork, you'll seek out advice, you'll find the appropriate forum in which to analyze your work. And honestly I think that's how it is in all artistic endeavors.

I'd hazard a guess that the people posting to/reading this thread already do plenty of self evaluation and criticism of their own work, even when you can't put your finger on it, you'll get a feel for when things are right and when they're not you'll seek out pointers. And at some point, some people who seem to be blithely posting up whatever it is they throw together will have an epiphone one day and realize the could be doing something "better." And at that point they'll find their way here or somewhere else where they can begin refining their work. You can beat someone over the head with "constructive criticism" until you're hoarse, but until they're actually ready to take it AND embark on the neverending pursuit of perfection, your message will go unheeded, or indeed will be rewarded with anger and contempt.

To the point of this thread - the galleries aren't what they once were, we should probably accept that and find a new way to get useful feedback in some other manner/forum.

I will now submerge back into my voracious lurker stealth mode of operation....

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I uploaded my latest work, specifically asking for constructive criticism/suggestions and... it worked! How do you like that? Cheers, Antonio.

I was going to pass on by but I noticed how long it was Oh well (easing out the door whistling)

You might as well PAY attention, because you can't afford FREE speech

79 posts and no mention of the Pink Pony ! :( ;-)

:O the infamouse PINK PONY! YAY now the thread is complete!oh hhold on isnt there another renderosity cult figure? a clown~cringes as she has a fear of clowns~

https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/

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Oh.. Yeah.. Creepy!

I do not have time to go through the galleries, and certainly not to weed through the promo pics, the pretty pics, and the look-what-I-just-did pics in order to find those pictures worth commentary. Feedback takes time and thoughtfulness, and it far too often is not appreciated. "Critical" thinking is not necessarily destructive! If somebody directs my attention to a picture and appears to honestly want to improve it, then I will do my best to help. I'll hand my work to friends whom I can trust to be honest. If they tell me "this isn't your best work" or "the hands aren't as old as the face" or "the proportions aren't quite even"... then I can take their compliments as true compliments and treasure them as the rare jewels they are. I'm a professional, published artist, and over the decades I have seen what happens to artists and writers who don't continually get criticism. They never improve. They never try new techniques. They even get sloppy with the skills they have supposedly mastered. We get so close to our work that we can't see it objectively. Somebody else has to do it for us. Even if I was rich and famous and had a museum wing named after me, I'd hope that there would be at least one person who could show me where and how to improve... and that I was still open-minded enough to accept the advice. Carolly

I liked the Armadillo myself, did anyone find out where to get it? Thanks for the laugh DarkElegance, need one this week. My only fear of this thread, how will it effect us who don't get many comments, maybe even less now? I don't mind a good critic. I like RubberMatt's third option. How about without nicks, no chance of being flamed by all the fans.

:) dont worry about comments. they are like friends. it is not the number but the quality. now that idea about nicks..hmm or a choice to either show or not show the nick?

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would everybody like some cheese with their whine? :)

Stevejax: AFAIK a chip butty is a bread roll stuffed with fries. Trouble with having a "critique gallery" is you would need one for Poser, one for Vue, etc etc. Unless you are proposing a complete overhaul of the gallery categories into sensible ones (i.e. not by software package).

ah, so it isn't just the Terragen gallery. There's been several threads on the Terragen forum about this since I started posting on Renderosity.

Having a gallery for serious critquing on WIP and finished images is a good idea. And it doesn't have to be separated by software. Is how it's basically done on cgtalk and seems to work well over there.

-=RAiN=-

divinerain

Thank you DarkElegance for giving me a "great" giggle, it was just what was needed today. There was a flurry of activity before about having a critique gallery, as far as I remember it all ended in the admins saying there was no need. Personally I think it would be a good idea 'cos when I've had a good, costructive, critique, it has usually opened my eyes and made me make changes that have worked much better. 8) Catlin

As per the "Critique" gallery... We have been attempting that over in the Art Theory Forum. Not enough takers. But if you actually want some in-depth help, I think "we" are the best place for it. Over at Art Theory the discussions have turned bloody enough times that the regulars have managed to grow thicker skins. I've said this before....art IS individual. It is the responce of a particular person, and it comes out of their internal architecture. They are their first audience and their best critic. But the moment you let that art be seen by a single other person, you are admitting that it matters how your art communicates to another human being. It is there; the learning of the skills and techniques and histories and theories to communicate your internal vision to an external observer, that critique is helpful if not neccesary.

Back to the 'itis -- In the cause of more firmly establishing myself as resident "grumpy old man"; The disease that I observe most often, with all the twisted, scabrous results it inflicts on poor Victoria particularly, is "chaircoveredwithglue-itis." This infection, of which the primary vector is a refusal to look away from the computer and open one's own front door once in a while, manifests such symptoms as horizontal forests, ball-and-socket elbows, "Cabinet of Dr. Caligari" architecture and a dress code that goes WELL beyond "Casual Friday."

Ok Nomuse! You need to stop peeking in my windows there dude! My casual dress days are none of your business! Now everyone cough up your scones and Tea! This is a stickup!

SteveJax.............a chip butty is a sandwich which contains french fries. 8P

sorry did not read all the posts yet, just answering darkelegance : so what's your point ? should we give up using/posting the galleries ? for me, gallery's use is what you think it is. no more no less. So far the only two uses i found in gallery posting was to discover people's work whom i would never had the odds of browsing by mere luck without them leaving a comment (and so chat with them to learn from them, as so far all people who commented my work wre really skilled, compared to me... starting from ground level though so it is easy :) second use is to put on myself some challenges of skills/tricks to learn, and post the result to see if i am making progresses. also 3rd use is just to make low quality but nice pictures (in other ways, such as humor/joke) i had in mind... if one believe gallery and gallery comment are good for anything really serious then good luck for them ! anyway, dark elegance, now you put your point, just tell us what should we do ? have any idea/solutions ?

I see that I am going to have to be the one to clarify this. In the 'great' world of acronyms such as; FBI, CIA, USA...and TGIF to name only a few, GREAT is only used in the art world and is actually a negative comment. [GREAT] = Gawd, Re-do Everything And Trash! I do hope this will not spoil the good feeling of those folks who have always believed they were getting 'great' compliments on their work. PS - Anyone who takes this post seriously, please don't flame me. Just go to my gallery and comment GREAT on all my work, please!

French Fries inside Bread? Are you just Trying to clog my arteries?!?! Sheesh! They're hardening just thinking of such a thing! LOL! Ok, Now you've done it! I want everyone's Chocolate Chip cookies on my desk before the end of class today! Anyone leaving apples will get a failing mark and a GREAT comment on all of their gallery images!

Hehehehe...................8P

no no no a chip butty is a sandwich made with HUGE honking chips{what we call steak fries in the usa} and butter usually or salt and vinager. or...both. yes the english like these {really not bad at all} and for some reason they have amystical power over their they eat alot of fried things and have less heart disease then we do. ahh but I digress. what do I suggest? well one thing is being nice another is blowing smoke. the second does no one good. if you care about an artist. then if you see something wrong with their work. I mean not something that is just their style but lets say a bad joint..bad post work..bad lighting, no shadows, poke through...etc..etc....say something! telling them they are great all the time does NO ONE any good. I dont think ANYONE is renderosity likes making bad renders...ok well I do for spoof but I am nuts. anyway.. I think everyone wants to learn and improve...so why not help them? just because someone tells you you are great all the time..doesnt mean they are your friends of have your best interests at heart. and just because someone gives you creative critism doesnt mean they hate you ...after all arent they telling you how to do better? think about it;)

https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/

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~giggles ~sorry I had to get the number 100 post. mondoxjake I love that! and here.. My swan song.;) though I will still be in the forums and tweeking out some of my older works hoping to salvage them. to all that have supported me..taught me, inspired me and gave me creative critism so that I would reach higher and work harder learning new skills...THANK YOU. to each.... just remember number of hits..doesnt make it quality or lack there of. number of votes doesnt mean it is great. hot20 doesnt mean you are hot or the best{pinkpony!} and number of comments can be like friends...not the number but the quality that counts. ~takes a sweeping bow~

https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/

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just remember number of hits..doesnt make it quality or lack there of; number of votes doesnt mean it is great; hot20 doesnt mean you are hot or the best{pinkpony!}; and number of comments can be like friends...not the number but the quality that counts. Well said. 8-)

floating ovation

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/gallery.ez?ByArtist=Yes&Artist=Sir%5FMikal

Thank you, Mason for your post. After reading it, I damn near choked from spitting my drink all over my monitor and then I had to clean it up.. (Psst.. you owe me a Dr. Pepper for that).. :-) Before continuing, I ask those in the front row to refrain from throwing scones at me till I've finished.. I've been popping in and out of this site for a couple of years, finally getting the nerve to post something in the gallery. I may get a bunch of comments, I may not get any, I may get some constructive comments (which I'm hoping for) or I may get some yahoos just wanting to kiss my butt (I shower daily, just for that reason). If I don't get any comments, that's fine, as I do have a couple of people I do share with, but I know I can't get any better unless that group expands, and I'm hoping to add a few 'art crtics' to my list. If I get a lot of comments which include vigorus butt kissing, those immediately go in the garbage, I know I'm good, the point in posting is I want to be BETTER. I think it just might be a good idea to have seperate galleries for those who really DO want some constructive comments, or have a box you can check signifying constructive comments only, so those viewing your page will know what to post. Possibly set up an index listing (not a gallery, an index, like what's shown when you click on the member list) of those particular pictures, where people can browse through and post comments. For those who're just posting to post.. go for it, but don't waste my time if you're just wanting someone to fawn over you. I appreciate a good picture like everyone else, but I'm not going to comment on something where my comments aren't really wanted. I prefer to give my comments to those who really desire to become better. For those interested, I've placed the link to my gallery in here to my picture.. You all are welcome to bash me there. Before I finish, I just have one more thing to say... *Escapes before the furious onslaught of scones begins*

ACK!! I've been hit, I've been HIT!! limps away

~giggles mischieviously~ those scones can hurt I tell you. I love your post it is exactly what I have been thinking but then...I have been told that some are only "hobbists" and dont care for the constructive critism. that they post because they just like to...I guess my brain cells are missing because even if you are just playing with it...dont you still want to improve it? ~give Sir Mikal a sconeproof vest~

https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/

Commission Closed till 2025

My HERO.. takes the scone proof vest graciously Well, that's why I was thinking of having another box you can check, for those who really would like some constructive comments, so that others who do happen to find your stuff, will know what kind of comments to leave. Anyways, it's just a suggestion..

Why not a scone-shaped icon?

:O omg I actually just got a vision of a lil scone in the selection box with a check box next to it! LOL

https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/

Commission Closed till 2025

So did I.........lol 8)

Well, ok... how about a flame-proof vest? I do agree that a checkbox or icon would alert people that the artist is trying to improve and would welcome any tips or hints. And, of course, a spoonful of sugar with the medicine might make the comments go down easier. ;) Carolly

I found this thread after doing a brief search to post some previous threads complaining about the "Hot 20" onto a current post in the Poser forum about the Hot 20 and I jsut can't believe ppl have brought this issue to light well before I was even on this site and STILL the admins do nothing to change how the galleries and voting etc... works... Good for you DarkElegance!!! cara

The problems with the Hot 20 have been apparent for 4-5 YEARS (I'm pretty sure that the pink ponies were in 2000, and the HOT 20 issues of clone votes and vote-buying had been raised long before that)... and there are still enough influential people who desperately need the HOT 20 to stay to support their egos or their bottomline. Given the numerous problems, and the wars, the anger, the pain, the deceit, the hypocracy, the bribery, the threats and intimidation, the unfairness, and the extremely talented people who have left this site never to return because of this "feature", as well as the public outcry, you'd think that it could be replaced with something which would still allow warm fuzzies for the people who need all the comments, and with something that rewarded real talent, yet remove the battlefield from those infants who use the Hot 20 to wage war. Nope. I tried. I used my most persuasive arguments, as well as links to some of the heart-wrenching images and posts in the Poser Gallery. I failed. Unless there is an overwhelming movement by the membership, the Hot 20 will be here until the next Ice Age freezes the demons in their seats. Carolly

I jsut can't believe ppl have brought this issue to light well before I was even on this site and STILL the admins do nothing to change how the galleries and voting etc... works... Welcome to Renderosity! bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=2029471

It's just so sad and stupid... I found this thread while looking up stuff to use to comment in this thread: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=2029471 cara

Since the C&D and OT forums are gone, you won't find the most involved threads on the subject. The admins made a small change back in 2001 (IIRC) which changed the ranking from number of views to number of votes. This was supposed to minimize the effect of showing boobs in the thumbnails (or other salacious come-ons). Unfortunately, the problem then veered to clones and solicitation in off-site chat areas and schools... and the HOT 20 became even more of a popularity contest. Various alternatives for counting the votes, such as only allowing 1 vote per day, or only 1 work by an artist in the HOT 20 at a time, have been proposed, but they don't solve the essential underlying problem: it is a popularity contest and merchant's bottom lines and artist's egos are too-deeply wrapped in the results. If a member can only vote once per day, the price of that vote will rise, and the problem will worsen. If only 1 work at a time can be included, the artists involved in the war will become even more desperate, and the problem will worsen. They will change strategies, but they will ensure that they and their products are in the spotlight. The simple statement which was just added to the effect that it is just for fun and just a popularity contest doesn't solve the problem either... that is like a school saying drugs are just for fun and part of being popular... while overlooking the bodies in the corridors. And yes, this analogy is more apt on more levels that you will want to accept. Carolly

Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL

Subject: ~clears her thoat~there is an illness in the poser{and all}galleries.