Okay, Here is the next thread in the our little chat - I changed the heading because we have begun to stray a little from the orginal topic. I will have something to post in the next day or so on my secret project - I am past the point of no return now - I am sure it will be built, but I don't want to present it until its a little further along. I want it to look good when I unvail it for the first time. marty :)