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The concept again, for those who may be unfamiliar with the original thread, was a National Geographic Explorer / Dr. Joseph Ballard expedition in your fish tank. The challenge was trying to sell the transition from cheap plastic plants and fluorescent aquarium lighting in the foreground to a sea wall drop-off complete with thermo cline in the space of about eighteen virtual inches. And jumping forward to the present Ive sure learned a thing or three during the time spent flogging this. Thanks all around for all the helpful suggestions. If I were to do it all over again Id definitely start more fish-tanky and work from there, but as it is Im pretty tied to the terrain/camera orientation (not to mention the terrain editor and I arent on the best of terms) so these are the re-works. The lighting actually ended up as complicated, if not more so, but this time it was a considered application instead of a recursive cycle of adding things to fix problems that created the need for more fixes, etc. I also added bump maps for all the fish, retextured the sub, pushed the fog around to remove it from that awkward overlap with the spotlight, made the guppy and neons smaller, and pulled the discus back for better composition and to have it appear bigger. I think I changed the size of the goldfish and moved the angel too in there somewhere. The first image is the original - the second is the close replacement (shown at 10% of normal AA cuz its still running), and the third pulls back and widens out, moves and resizes the angel, adds a second bunch of neons, another plant, and replaces that persnicity RH foreground plant. So, is there anything worth keeping/re-posting - or was this just another journey of discovery? I had to compress the snot out of these to get them up here, I hope it doesnt mess them up too much.