My second-ever render in Poser 5! I did it primamry because my associate is reporting proplems with P5 crashing as soon as a render is attempted on my new set, as shown in the pic. Anybody have any ideas why P5 would crash on a dress like this? Some details: The dress is about 24,000 polygons, the shoes and flower are about normal for me. The dress CR2 is about 9 MB, _very_ heavy on morphs, like about 50 for the hip part. Mostly JCM and special operators to let it pose like this. The dress also has 7 "ghost" (groups without mesh) operators that work on the hip part- actually they aren't real ghost parts becaue I have Anton K style handles, first time I've used them. I couldn't duplicate the crash, which is why these questions. I tried it before and after th 4SR 4.1, and both P4 and Fireflty render. I have no ideas, I don't know much about P5. Anyway, I noticed all the JCM still works and the figure's Full Body Morphs still operate the matching ones in the dress - I though P5's no-crosstalk-allowed setup was supposed to stop that? In other words, it works as it should, not what I expected. I also used the P5 hair, Gee! This one is about the best of the bunch, IMHO. A lot of the styles are not my cup of tea. Render time on this (1200 x 1500) was about 15 minutes, is that about normal? I have Win 2K, 2 GB, 2.8 Mhz P4, I think my associate is using XP, though. P5 seems to save files faster than P4, anyway, maybe loads them faster, too. Gee!