Ok, I know after starting that long heated debate about no postworking I am opening myself up for a load of abuse here with this but here goes anyway. I have just posted this to the Vue Gallery. The image was a Poser figure imported into Vue and rendered entirely within Vue. I was trying to achieve some interesting lighting effects from within Vue and trying to see how realistic I could make the skin. Most of the credit should go to the suppliers of the props and textures (credits given in the gallery posting). hopefully this image is acceptable as a piece of art even though there wasn't any 2d work done on it at all ;-) p.s. thanks for all the responses to my original thread about postwork, it all made for facinating reading. Cheers and apologies if I stepped on anyones toes with any of my responses! Cheers Stealth1701