Forum: Vue

Subject: Who's Using Vue on Macs?

thomllama opened this issue on May 09, 2004 ยท 16 posts

thomllama posted Sun, 09 May 2004 at 9:44 AM

Just wondering how many people are using Vue D' Esprit on macs? I have dine EVERYTHING to get it to run and it just seems to be the most unstable program I have ever used! It looks SOO damn cool too.. it's getting very depressing!! :( how many people out there are using it on a mac? how has it worked for you? anyone using it on a G5 dual 1.8? I have done everything i can think of to get it to run .. complete system wipes and installs, bare bones hardware/software set up. I even went so far as to wipe everything and install Vue alone.. nothing else on the computer and it still does the "quits" Open GL on off.. played with all combo's of settings in prefs.. updated from 4.2 to 4.2.2 ( actually it ran best under 4.2 without the update) My hardware is WAY more than it needs to work! More memory than it requires (and yes I have checked for bad memory more than once) I'm on my last leg with vue.. I'm going to have to start harassing E-on for my money back if it can't be fixed soon :( any ideas? please? help? Let me know what has happened to you..... Thomas





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wabe posted Sun, 09 May 2004 at 10:26 AM

Strange. I am a Mac Vue user too. Esprit and Pro. And beside some minor crashes with Pro i don't have much problems. Especially not with d'Esprit.. Most of the problems i think are related with display/OpenGL. And my G4 which is not the fastest machine in the world anymore. Some details. I am on 10.2.8, G4 768 MHz, 1GB Ram. Have you checked e-ons knowledge base for 10.3.x issues? I guess this is the problem in your case. Don't forget, d'Esprit is a package developped long before 10.3.x. We have a machine at work where we moved to 10.3. From then on the second graphic card did not work anymore.Nor the integrated SCSI card. Who is to blame now? I do understand your anger, in our case it ended that we had to buy a new graphic card. And a new scanner. It is a bad thing that Apple gave up the idea of save investments and do not care for users/developers anymore. BTW, there is TheWingedOne that uses Vue under 10.3 and seems to be happy. Maybe he can say a word or two here. Walther

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thomllama posted Sun, 09 May 2004 at 2:09 PM

hmm wierd about the graphics card... I am still using a ATI Rage 128 in this here new G5 with OS 10.3.3 (or was till i pulled it to see if Vue was conflicting with it) never had a problem with it other than with using Halo and Unreal Tour. 2003. they don't like having a second card in the machine at all. I ran it in my older G4 733 with 10.3 for a few months also before buying this G5 and again, never had a single problem. I did have to go to Apple/ATI and get the updates is all. as to the panther thing E-on keeps saying they fixed it with the 4.2.2 update.. I have found it only made it worse... much worse! I sorta got things working a bit ago (longest stretch yet.. about an hour with out a crash) by unchecking EVERYTHING in the prefs.. and doing a lot of saves... and I mean like every 2-3 mins or anytime i do any real work in Vue. I have posted this little movie at my web site "thomllama.com/canyons.mov" Also if any one can read the garble that the OSX crash logs give, the Vue log is also posted at my web site.. "Thomllama.com/Vue4.crash.txt" Oh if i can only get this thing to be stable, I'll be doing SOOo much....some one help me :/





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wabe posted Sun, 09 May 2004 at 3:21 PM

I think it needs a lot of informations to find out why it is not running well on your system. And you see, you haven't had any problems with 10.3, we did. You have an idea why? It needs informations about the software you are running beside Vue, the system extentions, the drivers you use etc etc. Will be a long way to find out. Regarding the Panther thing. I think they fixed it for 10.3 but i am not sure what happens with 10.3.3. I saw so many software packages not running properly anymore i can't tell. From Suitcase to Toast to whatever. A lot of updates we needed. Therefore i decided to stay serious and wait with updating my OS until i have major problems with it. Never change a running system. But i do understand that it is a little different with a new computer. Has the new OS on automatically. What i mean is, that Apple is not doing a good job right now in changing basic parameters nearly monthly. We are close to Microsoft way of behaviour. Not that i want to blame only Apple, but it is really hard to tell who's fault something is these days. Anyway, i hope that TheWingedOne will appear soon because he has a system very close to yours and don't have too many problems as far as i know. Walther

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OneShot posted Sun, 09 May 2004 at 9:01 PM

"ATI Rage 128 in this here new G5 with OS 10.3.3" Isn't a ATI Rage a PCI card?

wander posted Sun, 09 May 2004 at 10:31 PM

Hi I'm using Vue 4.22-02 on a G4 DP 867 MHz 1.75 GB Ram running OS 10.3.3 and have no problems with it. No problems with either of my graphics cards either (GeForce4 MX AGP, ATI Radeon 7000 PCI) and have even rendered across both monitors. I have all the Gl options unchecked and the Enable Background Draw Thread unchecked. wander

thomllama posted Mon, 10 May 2004 at 5:08 AM

yup.. ATI rage is a PCI card.. used for second monitor hmmm G4's seem to work.. anyone with a G5?





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TheWingedOne posted Mon, 10 May 2004 at 8:14 AM

Finally stepping in... ;) Hi folks, as wabe already mentioned I'm a Mac person, too. My machine's specs are as follows: G4 MP 500 (Dual 500) with original setup (ATI RagePro 128), 1.2 GB RAM, 2 x 20 GB internal HD, 120 GB external Firewire HD, Mac OS 10.3.3. Vue 4.2 and Vue Pro (Version 268493 I guess, though I have to recheck, when I get home) I experienced various crashing problems after upgrading to newer versions of Vue Pro. Mainly while importing Poser figures. So I switched back to an older version which I lukily kept on my backup HD. Again, I'll recheck with the correct versions of Vue4 and VuePro when I come home and let you know. Right now Vue and VuePro run pretty stable on my mac. Cheers, Phil

OneShot posted Mon, 10 May 2004 at 10:44 PM

The PCI card is the problem. Especially since the OpenGL doesn't officially work in Aqua. It would be better to upgrade you AGP card and use dual monitor system on the one AGP card. There is a hack to get a PCI card to work with OpenGL, but it won't work if you have both AGP and PCI Video cards. Try Vue without the ATI Rage card in the system and you'll probably have less problems.

TheWingedOne posted Tue, 11 May 2004 at 12:35 AM

As promised I looked at the versions I'm currently using on my mac: 1) Vue 4.20-02 Build 266547 2) Vue Pro 4.52-02 Build 268059 Hope this helps. Cheers, Phil

thomllama posted Tue, 11 May 2004 at 5:11 AM

wondering one other thing.. anyone tried a "get info" under the finder? seems it has a differant version # thinking it's probably nothing but it's under the crash log as veersion 4.1 Alos .. I noticed that TheWingedOne has notupgraded to version 4.22.. is there a reason? Personally, I have found it to be even more buggy than version 4.20





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thomllama posted Tue, 11 May 2004 at 6:08 AM

OK thinking I Might have it.. turned EVERYTHING off in Vue's Prefs... played with Quicktime (E-on's guys read the crash log and thinks it had something to do with Quicktime.. running in background..) not sure which it was.. but not going to turn any back on...

here is an image I did just trying to get it to crash this morning... it didn't!!!! wwwooooo hooooo Image has everything i could throw at it... image loading of terain.. (that's Riley by the way.. a friend's son :)... My little ship I built in carrara for an import... anyway.. I hope this is it :) thanks people :)





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wabe posted Wed, 12 May 2004 at 7:32 AM

Hi, i checked now the version number thing. My Vue 4.2.2 even says that it is Vue 4 when i look into the file information. I think this is the original version number that the application had when you installed it. The updates do other things - updating the environment files and/or other modules, maybe not the actual application file. BTW, a little trick i learned when you update Pro. Save the file Vue.env out of the environment folder somewhere and bring that back after the update. (Maybe save the file you will overwrite first to be sure that nothing can happen). Then all your settings and libraries are back again, Pro does not go back to the factory status.

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thomllama posted Wed, 12 May 2004 at 2:35 PM

yaa I'm installing right from Vue 4.2.. never even seen Vue 4.1,.. just a little wierd to me..





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thomllama posted Sat, 15 May 2004 at 5:08 PM

well it seems I got it running good now!!! :) (yaaaa woohooo weee.. dancing around like a kid with his first x-mas toy) thanks to everyone here for all the help... lots of images to come :)





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thomllama posted Sun, 16 May 2004 at 8:59 AM

well it seems i have vue running pretty good now.. have been playing with it all weekend and not one hiccup!! here is a link to the movie created froom the Mover 5 tutorial in the back of the manual... couple things off (spin not on center/ Light not just right) but still very cool for a first shot. all audio made with Apple's Garage Band http://www.thomllama.com/flyby4.mov





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