Ok heres my 15 min lighter. It is in all reality the very first thing I have been able to make in the spline room. Thanks of course to the tutorials before :) My big problem I had with this (and where all my time went) was the textures. I made the lighter in like 3 min (it shows) but I was hoping to be able to rescue it with texturing. Here is what I did and I would like some help for next time. I made the lighter in the spline room and then subtracted a cylinder from it in the assemble room. IT then somehow converted itself to the vertex modeler..ok no problem. I then selected the handle polygons and named them handle (save polygons option) I then when into the texture room and tried to texture them. This is where my problem was. What cant I just texture some polys? I went back to the VM and detatched the poly's..still same thing...it only lets me texture all or 0. I know you can just texture some things but does it have to be a saved polymesh instead of saved polygons? I was not able to save a polymesh..how is this accomplished..it was always greyed out? Anyway this is pretty fun.....I am using these little challanges as a way to force myself to use carrara rather then nendo for a modeler so I expect to learn more each time I do one :) -brent