Zhann opened this issue on Jun 13, 2004 ยท 54 posts
Zhann posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 4:18 AM
Well, as I was finishing up my challenge entry and getting a new package ready for the RMP, bink, blue screen with the 'Fatal Core Error has occurred System shutdown Bye!'....:( I am not a happy camper tonight.... Some really strange stuff has been going on for the last couple of days too. I have DSL, so like it or not I'm connected 24/7, I do have Mcaffee, and ZoneAlarm firewalls set to high, scan for everything everynight. But lately I wake up to find anywhere from 16, to the latest today of 85 popup ads cluttering my desktop, and I'm not even signed into my ISP. All these ad popups are from Internet Explorer, not to mention, things downloading and then thanking me for dl their software, which means I have to go searching for whatever downloaded and uninstall or delete it. So, I'm doing a complete harddrive wipe Monday, thing is I can't offload anything to disk in case whatever it is sneaks itself in. And there are alot of freeware and shareware apps that aren't available anymore that I use alot. This whole can of worms stinks, I'm so pissed. I'll be better once the medication kicks in... Any thoughts on what's going on?....
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AgentSmith posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 4:28 AM
Spyware. I also use Mcafee and Zone Alarm. I have never got anything but spyware from Sites, basically nothing I can do about it, but scan and clean PC nightly. Free solution; http://www.safer-networking.org/ "Search and Destroy" anti-spyware scanner. One of the best, even though its free. AgentSmith
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Zhann posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 4:35 AM
Yeah, I have Spybot Search and Destory also, but it's not turning up anything during scans....well it's been two years and I'm sure the harddrive has accumulated alot of just plain crap, so maybe a clean sweep will improve performance, sigh, one can only hope.....
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buckzero posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 4:39 AM
I use Mcafee-monthly cleanup, Ad-aware-weekly, great for getting rid of cookies, and AddSubtract-always on. Virus Scan is always on also, no problems and I have DSL.
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orbital posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 4:47 AM
Surfing is getting to be a real pain in the butt these days. I nearly got ripped off on one of those dialler scams. My pc disconnected and the dialler icons disappeared just like it would normally, but although it looked like there was no longer a connection the port was still open. Luckily I sorted it out quick, but still got charged 10 on my phone bill for a premium rate call!
AgentSmith posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 4:48 AM
Why not use Zone Alarm at night to "Engage Internet Lock"? AS
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Zhann posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 4:48 AM
Yup, virus scan is always on too.
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Zhann posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 4:51 AM
I'm thinking that the internet lock is the only way to go when I'm not using the computer. But they say to only use it in emergencies and not on a regular basis. At least that's how I understood it. I'm going to get ZoneAlarm Pro soon, it'll also catch trojans, and worms......
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SAMS3D posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 5:05 AM
Why not check your msconfig file and turn off the programs that are starting these...reboot...then ad all your adware and spyware to keep them in check, Sharen
AgentSmith posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 5:06 AM
Lol, I use my internet lock constantly through-out the day, every day. Paranoia, baby. AS
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Zhann posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 5:13 AM
I think a complete wipe will help get things back to where they were when I first got the computer. I was talking to the guy who does my site hosting, he says he betas alot of software and from installing and uninstalling, updating etc, you pc collects alot of junk bits and pcs of files. And there's no way of completely getting all those with the regular software apps, that even they leave stuff behind. He says, they do their servers once a year, but he also said they have such a huge amount of traffic, with ftps, sites coming and going, etc. it's just good maintenance. Now I'm having internal server connection problems, whatever that might mean, so I'm going to take the plunge and wipe the hd, and hope for the best.....
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Zhann posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 5:15 AM
AS, looks like I'm going in that direction too.....
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SAMS3D posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 5:16 AM
Sometimes it is always just best to start fresh....best of luck to you...hope to see you back soon. Sharen
AgentSmith posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 5:26 AM
I'm a firm believer in re-formatting my PC at least every 6 months, especially (as you mentioned) if I have tried out lots of demo's and such. Sometimes, it's the only way to go. AS
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RodsArt posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 5:51 AM
Good Luck Zhann! Same here, I'm on schedule for the annual "Rip it out & start fresh". ICM
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Ang25 posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 6:21 AM
I don't know what I'm talking about here, so I'd like to know from someone who does. You guys are talking about wiping your harddrives and losing everything. I've got a partitioned harddrive. When my harddrive gets wiped it only wipes out the programs. Anything I saved to my d-drive? is still there after a wipe. Here's my question, can any of these unwanted, unsolicited downloads etc put themselves onto that d-drive or will they automatically go into the c-drive? Inquiring minds would like to know. Thanks, Angela
AgentSmith posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 6:29 AM
I have only seen them go to the main (C) drive. They mostly want to track what sites you go to, or make their page your start up page, etc, etc. To do that, they need to be in your C drive along with your system files, more specifically hiding amongst them, or your registry. AS
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Quest posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 7:41 AM
Check out this thread where another person is having the same problem you have and is on Windows XP;
also check out this one;
here's another;
To get Hijack This (146kb);
If nothing else, maybe you can post there as well.
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pakled posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 7:52 AM
I sympathize..I got the 'cool web search' malware (spyware with an attitude), and here's what I had to do just to get rid of it (and I'm still not 100% sure I did..:|
First, what it does is put a .dll in your startup, so that no matter what ad-aware, spysweep, cwshredder, hijack this!, etc., program runs, it only deletes the results of the infection. Once it's run, it sticks 'about:blank' as your home page, and blows up IE if you try to use your 'back' arrow). To actually get rid of it, I did a Google search on 'about:blank', and found a Computer Cops site, which was pretty helpful.
I had to go through System32, and look on dates created for recent dll's. If you know (roughly) the date of infection, look at the properties of the dll's created on or after those dates. Your key will be if there's no tab between 'general' and 'security'. Usually the name will also look like a random collection of letters. You mark down these suspect dll's, then reboot the system in Command Mode (safe mode, I'm running Win 2k). Then you go to c:winntsystem32 (or wherever your system32 directory is), and delete the files. Rerun the Ad-aware, Spy Sweeper, CWshredder, etc., and for the more adventurous, go through regedit and delete any entry with 'about:blank' in it..but don't mess with the registry unless you're familiar with it).
I don't know if you're having problems like this, but I was just showing the deviousness and maliciousness of what's out there today. You can go to Computer Cop, or the Ad Aware forum, or the Hijack this! site, and they can look at what's going on. And explain it better than me..;)
good luck, Zhann..
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Swade posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 8:19 AM
Yep, I do like AgentSmith... format every 4 to 6 months - Low level format once a year, (re-zero the hard drive). I have McAfee, SpyBot Search & Destroy, Spyware Blaster, and Pest Patrol running. I also use HijackThis to search out all installed browser addon buttons etc... browser hijackers. HijackThis is a tool, that lists all installed browser add-on, buttons, startup items and allows you to inspect, and optionally remove selected items. The program can create a backup of your original settings and also ignore selected items. Also if I have a problem I can't figure out I will usually check out this site. http://forums.techguy.org/index.php Lots of good advice and help can be found there.
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Erlik posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 9:40 AM
There is apparently something that simulates Fatal Core Errors, so you think your computer is blitzed. Couldn't find more information, unfortunately. I'd really recommend getting another browser. Opera 7.50 is great, it has blocking of unwanted pop-ups, spyware doesn't target opera.exe or files in the opera directory... Firefox ditto. Also, my previous computer ran for six years without reformatting the disk. It became wobbly a couple of times, but cleaning the registry by hand restored it. (It had about 16 MB free disk space in the end.) This computer became wobbly after I stupidly installed a couple of antivirus programs together for a test and then even more stupidly didn't think to uninstall in Safe mode. Stupid, stupid, stupid. But it's still working quite okay in spite of about 8 GB Program Files directory. I will be forced to reinstall since I have a new disk, which I've been postponing for a month... Ang, yes, as AS says, the vermin will settle in C. Usually in Windows and WindowsSystem and WindowsSystem32 directories. And in registry. OTOH, if you have executable programs stored on D, a virus might infect them, so it's a good idea to scan that one, too. Finally, Zhann, if you find you missed a program, ask me or ask here. I'm certain we can find almost anything.
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Ang25 posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 10:03 AM
Ok so if I only store bryce scenes, mp3's and jpgs and such then I wouldn't need to reformat the d drive, and I tend to save freeware programs to cd's so hopefully I could reformat and reload anything I wipe. Theoretically anyhow. We still haven't figured out whats causing my PC problems. Sent the processor back and they seemed to think nothing was wrong with it. So after 3 motherboards, trying all the other components in another pc (all worked fine) and now being told its not the processor, I have no idea what the problem is with my PC. :(
Swade posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 10:37 AM
You should be ok to wipe just your C: partition.... and leave D: as it is. When I rework my system I rarely do anything like this with any other drive than my C: drive. You don't have to lose the stuff on your D: drive Ang. MP3's, jpg's, freeware,etc. will all still be intact for you to use if they are on your D: drive. Just wipe C: drive and reload your windows and then reload proggies you have backed up on D: drive or CD's. 8)
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catlin_mc posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 11:32 AM
You have my sympathies Zhann, been there, done that, and have the screensaver. I really hope you haven't lost too much of your work that would be a real nightmare and it is always so sad when that happens. Hackers and malicious spyware makers should be the first ones up against the wall come the revolution. 8) Catlin
Zhann posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 3:17 PM
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wildman2 posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 4:03 PM
Also after formating the hard drive you may want to run a data eraser on it .it will write all 1's or 0's across the whole hard drive what ever is on it will be gone for good.
"Reinstall Windows" is NOT a troubleshooting step.
Quest posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 4:26 PM
Zhann, it doesn't hurt to free download Hijack This, scan your system and post your results to the link I gave above. Having given this same information to another person on another board, helped in clearing his problem totally and spare him the process of backing up his huge HD and lengthy hours of re-installing software. Also, all you really require in your PC startup is "system tray" which can be configured in Start->Run>-MsConfig. You don't need MFC.exe to start your system, so if it's on your MsConfig startup list, uncheck it and reboot and see what happens.
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Preston posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 4:33 PM
Sorry to hear about your problems. Adware and Spyware are becoming unbearable these days. I've found the following sites to be incredibly useful when I've had those problems that I just couldn't fix with the normal methods. Bazooka Adware and Spyware Scanner Log - Scans your computer for problems. http://www.kephyr.com/spywarescanner/logarchive/48.phtml BlackViper - Information on removing problem files, etc. http://www.blackviper.com/ Blocking Unwanted Parasites - How to use your hosts.htm file http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm Computer Cops - Information and downloads http://www.computercops.biz/index.php Major Geeks - Great list of Anti-Spyware/Adware Tools http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?id=31 Answers That Work - Best list I've found for explaining the Junk that is running in your Task List http://www.answersthatwork.com/home_page.htm Good Luck!
sackrat posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 4:41 PM
Hello Zhann,.....sorry to hear about you troubles. I had similar problems last year and tried all the popular spyware/adware apps I could find,......nothing really cleared all the stuff out(dataminers, tracking apps, malware, hijackers, etc......until I found a program called "Pest Patrol", it's $50 but worth it ! It cleared everthing out and I mean everything ! It lets you quarrantine items until you can be sure they haven't attached themselves to files you have to have (like .dll's or .exe files, etc.) then you can delete them. I found this to be the most thorough solution yet. Hope this helps.
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Erlik posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 5:14 PM
Zhann, direct instructions: iGetNet: http://www.spy-bot.net/IGetNet.asp search.netscape.com http://www.spyany.com/program/article_spy_rm_KeenValue.html auto.search.msn.com: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/vbs.bootconf.html the only MFC.EXE I found has something to do with MS Visual Studio 6. Try stopping it in Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del -> Processes) and seeing what happens.
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Zhann posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 5:18 PM
Well, not being one to blindly go rushing in, when it's not needed(and being an inherant coward when it comes to deleting system files from my computer) I decided to do a restore one week prior to the problems.....so far everything is quiet, and no popups or other distressing things have happened... However, the more I think about it the more a clean slate sounds good, AND I downloaded a bunch of anti-spyware apps to use once everything is clean, to keep it that way. It seems more and more of that stuff is showing up, and the only thing these ads and hijacks are doing is pissing people off, so to me, they're counter productive. The restore at least gives me a little breathing room to off load some things as backups, mostly huge Bryce scene files, my reference libraries and to backup all my models to date, and my marketplace stuff..... I want to thank eveyone for the input and links, I know we all get this crap stuffed in our computers at some point, it's nice to know I'm not alone in trying to get rid of it.... I did a wipe of the computer I thought we were going to sell and it runs faster than the one I'm using now which is way faster(when clean).
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diolma posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 5:29 PM
Also, Zhann, if you are connected 24/7, it's worth getting an external(hardware) router box (they are reasonably cheap these days). Originally intended for very small local networks (eg 4 PC's + printer), most of them, once set up, also prevent hacking via direct access to the BIOS. Before I got one, Zone Alarm was regularly popping up with warning messages about "Blocked attempt to access netbios"; since, I have had nothing (and that was almost 2 years ago). I am seriously considering uninstalling Zone Alarm, except that I like its little data-transfer-speed indicator:-) Cheers, Diolma
Zhann posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 5:40 PM
I am cosidering an external harddrive for storage of stuff I don't use regularly, but don't want to search innumerable disks to locate, that's definitely an option.....
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Erlik posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 7:02 PM
I'm glad everything came okay. If you have an old disk, a USB box is about $30. Also, if you an old computer, you can install Linux on it and use it as a router.
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pakled posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 7:15 PM
btw..you can do Google searches on individual files..such as fonts or dll's (I've done that with success in the past), exe and com files should be searchable as well.
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foleypro posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 8:13 PM
Well I hope things worked out all right...I use ZoneAlarm and I am on ATT,I use Ad-aware and this last time I scanned I Deleted 103 SpyRus's as we are calling them at the Computer Store where I work about 15-18 hours a week,BUT I am NOT connected 24/7 I get on and check my E-mails go to a few sites then I get OFF and I ....UNPLUG...I DO not keep connected because it is an open invitation for anyone to try and get in...I used to also use just one computer I now use 2 one for internet and one for 3D and I only connect the 3D Machine to get updates and that is it....SO I stress to anyone get a P.O.S for an Internet machine(I use a Pentium 2 350Mhz)and keep your 3D machine seperate...Less headaches in the long run...Good I dea about the external tho...
Zhann posted Sun, 13 June 2004 at 10:12 PM
Unfortunately with MSN DSL through Qwest, I have no way to shut off or disconnect. But I am going to take AS's lead and use the ZA internet lock when I'm not online. And I now have CWShredder and Hijackthis, so I'm hoping that will take care of things for now until I can get everything off loaded to CD, however since no system or registry entries will be off loaded, once I wipe it it should be alright....one can only hope...:)
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SAMS3D posted Mon, 14 June 2004 at 5:35 AM
Ang25 , when you wipe your harddrive you have to tell it how much of the partition you want cleaned or reformated...it will ask you during the process. Then you can set up different partitions after you have reformated, especially when you have XP. Sharen
foleypro posted Mon, 14 June 2004 at 8:30 AM
Hmmm,Say you need to move your computer do you drag the Cable/Line around with you,still connected to the Modem or Wall outlet?...You can either unscrew or unplug your Modem or Line connecting you to the Internet,Or you might unplug from your Router or Modem...I mean I actually unplug The cable from my Ethernet Card after each use and before each startup I plug it back in,Yes it does take an extra minute to download the files each day from Comcast but since I have been doing this I have missed only one days Internet connection and that was when att and Comcast made the switch as to useing ZA that is a very smart move...
catlin_mc posted Mon, 14 June 2004 at 5:22 PM
I've got to agree with diolma 'cos since getting an external router all those pesky idiots trying to access my bios have also disappeared. The one I've got only cost about 50 which is about $30-35, or there abouts, and really isn't too much to spend to give you confidence that you won't get corrupted. You should also be able to plug your 24/7 connection into the router and still be able to unplug the conection to your machine. Whenever I come offline I always pull the plug which is just a case of having been corrupted myself too many times. Catlin
captor213 posted Mon, 14 June 2004 at 10:54 PM
My opinion,Dont use zone alarm...fairly easy to get around,go buy norton personal firewall
Zhann posted Tue, 15 June 2004 at 2:03 AM
Getting a router for sure...
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AgentSmith posted Tue, 15 June 2004 at 4:41 AM
Yeah, I have a router also. It cuts down on "things" trying to get into your computer a lot. AS
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Zhann posted Tue, 15 June 2004 at 5:10 AM
Well, been to the techguy site and posted a log. Downloaded a heap of software they suggested to thwart the dreaded spyware. Man, I am armed to the teeth, I got CWShredder, Highjackthis, Ad-aware, the latest Spybot, SpywareBlaster....good thing this stuff is free...:)
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pauljs75 posted Tue, 15 June 2004 at 4:28 PM
Unless there's a site that absolutely needs it for form entries or some other script based function - DO NOT, repeat DO NOT USE EXPLORER! (It's like putting a key to your house hanging on the front door.) That's how all the bad crap gets on your 'puter. Only use Explorer if there's a form or some script at a site that is necessary to use (such as a bank or govt. services), and only use it at trusted sites that you've visited before. For casual browsing and surfing the net, use a Mozilla based browser. This way you can disable popups w/o having to install any more software, and it will not execute any malware. Also Mozilla will let you know if it does start a download for some reason, and this always has the option to cancel. Also be wary of some types of free software. Usually the P2P type programs are bad this way. Unless it's open source or from a trustworthy site, they're likely to host trojans and crap up your computer.
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Zhann posted Tue, 15 June 2004 at 5:35 PM
According to the tech guys, SpywareBlaster, prevents any installation of invasive spyware..... "....SpywareBlaster, a program created by Javacool, is used to secure your Internet Explorer to make it harder for these ActiveX programs to run on your computer, as well as disabling the ability of certain known offending ActiveX programs from running at all. This program also has the ability to stop certain cookies from being added to your computer when running Mozilla based browsers like Firefox..."
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pakled posted Tue, 15 June 2004 at 9:25 PM
uh..afraid not. I'm still infected with Coolwebsearch, and Spywareblaster, Killbox, Computer Cops, CWShredder, regedit, dll searches, Ad Aware, Microsoft updates, Hijack This!, etc, all failed to eradicate it. I've deleted spurious dll's, the iued or whatever 'backdoor' program, etc., and I can make it go away for awhile, but it always comes back, like cockroaches..:|
I did download Mozilla, which doesn't crap out whenever I hit the 'back' key, and don't have Spy Sweeper telling me every 5 minutes that my home page wants to be 'about:blank'..the homeoldsp registry entries always come back..sigh..well, I'll just have to Mozi-lla on outta here..;)
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Zhann posted Tue, 15 June 2004 at 11:15 PM
Exactly, no software is going to be able to eradicate as well as a total wipe.....still building up courage to go through with it......;
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Erlik posted Wed, 16 June 2004 at 2:26 AM
You might cut down on the crap by disabling ActiveX controls in Internet Options, for starters. Then disable the automatic installation. And then install Opera. :-) If you want, I can dig up an article I wrote couple of months ago on Windows XP tips and tweaks. There was a lot of security tips. No, I don't know them by heart. :-) But I can send you the links. And you can download some testing programs at Steve Gibson's page: http://grc.com/freepopular.htm BTW, Catlin, they want to learn the Netbios name of your computer. That would make it possible for them to connect to your computer and do quite a lot of things.
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catlin_mc posted Wed, 16 June 2004 at 2:54 PM
That's one of the things I never have enabled, ie Active X, don't have Java enabled either. I miss out on some content but I don't get hit with so much crap either so it sort of balances out. I know exactly what they're looking for Erlik and they're not going to get it as long as I can help it. Another cool thing I've got is a motherboard which sets off an alarm if anything tries to write to the bios, so I would definately know if someone who's not me tries to change anything. 8) Catlin
Zhann posted Wed, 16 June 2004 at 6:53 PM
I have 2 Poser utilities that require ActiveX, so I have it enabled for them.
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catlin_mc posted Thu, 17 June 2004 at 12:15 PM
Well yes, when it comes to Poser I can make the extra effort to enable certain things, but for going online it's simply no way. 8) Catlin
ddruckenmiller posted Thu, 24 June 2004 at 12:00 AM
Some 'folks' (some of which will then try to sell you antispyware "solutions") have started modifying trojans to drop hidden and read only appinit .dlls. I recently got spanked. Spybot didn't see it. None of my shredders touched it. Hijack saw the aftermath so to speak, but didn't really clean it up. Couldn't find jack in the registry. And my config and startups were fine. Yet I got re-infected every time I restarted. Ended up stumbling on the information for the hidden .dll - couldn't change the attribs on it in safe mode - had to rename one of the Windows folders in the reg so I could clear it - then go back into safe and clean up again. Real PITA... And they can get you just by your clicking a do not send me any more of your damn spam links in an unsolicited email.
Zhann posted Thu, 24 June 2004 at 2:10 AM
I don't open any mails I'm not expecting I just delete the whole mail box....I hadn't realized just how much stuff I have on the HD, 120gigs to offload, considering getting a DVD burner, I could 4 gigs on one disk, that would speed things up a bit.....;
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