Attached Link: http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel2/Products/Home&pid=1047022702299

There it is. From the horses...mouth ;)

Dreams are just nightmares on prozac...
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And there she blows.

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Dreams are just nightmares on prozac...
Digital WasteLanD

Well, the best landscape software could not die. I hope Daz will do more than Corel just did when they bought it from Metacreations. I think I'm happy with this new direction Michel

All I can say is this truely rocks in a big way. 8) I am doing and will continue throughout the day to do the HAPPY DANCE. 8) Looks like this is going to be for both Mac and Windows platforms too.

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Yep I was uploading this pic so folks could see... I am so Freakin happy I cant see straight...

" New in version 5! Network rendering - speed up processing time by rendering your images on multiple computers at the same time" Bryce has network rendering? If that's true, I might have to dusty off my old copy that's been sitting around for years and give it a whirl for ol time's sake. ;)

Well for those with version 4 of Bryce, I guess it's time to upgrade to version 5 (79,00$ US) don't you think ? yes, I'm very happy this morning !!! Michel

@mikeberg -> just make sure you get the 5.01 update patch. Its an essential.

Dreams are just nightmares on prozac...
Digital WasteLanD

Yes Flak allready installed (and without bugs) Sorry Vue users !!!

I could cry I'm so happy! Yip, I really could . . . in fact I think I am . . .

LOL I just got off the phone with Corel customer service and told them they made a great move with this one. I asked "did you happen to get a lot of customer, um, SUGGESTIONS" hehe, and of course the petition worked because Bryce will continue in development... Who knows... Bryce 6 out soon? Now it's possible. I think this is just fantastic too. Thanks for beating me to the punch on this announcement, Flak... there will be a lot of happy happy people. :)

What's really great is that Daz does both Mac & PC software releases usually.

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Wish i could cry of joy too, but the words about integrating it with some of DAZ products is far from good.
Chances are, that it will get labeled in the same cathegory as Poser. Poser is forbidden in almost all of the serious CG-competitions, and with an integration, im afraid Bryce will be too.

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Rudolf Herczog
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Ahhh ye Talk about that now but when it is shown that us "Hobbyists" can do almost as good as a job as the BIG BOYS now what will be said in the future when it is shown that our Baby software can do what they can but cheaper...Yes I know that Max and Maya Lightwave are main stream programs and they are used exclusively by the Higher End companies and everybody scoffs at Bryce and Poser...But just think at one time Max and Maya took over from some other Program in the start so maybe it is Bryce and DS time to take over...I hope I can be apart of this Happening for I am very tired of folks telling me I am just a Hobbyist when My stuff blows there stuff away,Hey I am just learning and I do wish that I could purchase the Higher End software so I could show what I can do...That is why I use GMax and MayaPLE...But I will galdly switch to DS and Bryce when they implement the ability to import Poser/DS animation into Bryce...And when they do implement the Lowpoly Modeler in Bryce I will switch completely to Bryce like I do now of course...I for one will keep pestering DAZ now to implement the Lowpoly Modeler and the Importation of Animations...You should too...Thankee DAZ and finally COREL...

At long last!

I really see this as great news. Hopefully, the folks at DAZ will get to work on importing Poser files without jumping through all the hoops. CastIron Flamingo's Grouper has been a real blessing but I still avoid importing Poser figures in if at all possible.

Attached Link: http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=5395

Now this looks interesting .... DAZ|Studio file "imported into Bryce 5, using a beta of the new import plugin."

"DAZ considers Bryce to contain an important set of tools and is strongly dedicated to its future development. When correctly combined, DAZ|Studio, DAZ|Bryce, DAZ|Mimic, and innovative third-party plugins will synergize to form a powerful suite of products capable of creating the complete 3D virtuality." DAZ|Bryce??? Oh no, please stop it... this will be a total mess. J.

derjimi, DAZ|Bryce just means Bryce by DAZ. Just as DAZ|Studio is Studio by DAZ.

Cool news! I am looking forward to what happens with this.

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

They already have a beta for importing DS files into Bryce you really need to check out the forums at Daz for Bryce and Brycetech and Dar are the new Moderators I would say we are in good hands :O)

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This could be good news, hope they will change more than just the packaging :-)

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wheee! and life just gets weirder :) should be interesting to see if DAZ tries to break into the Bryce content market as well Lyrre

After browsing through their new forum, im bound to agree with derjimi. We seem to have the new Poser under development. No support from me!

Rudolf Herczog
Digital Artist
www.rochr.com

PJF, if DAZ will edit and develope Bryce in future it will be a mess. Just remember Poser 5. But wait and see. ;-)

derjimi, DAZ has nothing to do with Poser 5. They do not provide support for any specific Poser 5 features in any of their models. It's a sticking point with some of the newer Poser users. I'm looking at this as being a good thing for Bryce at this time. But we will have to wait and see. TC

p.s.: even if DAZ is not responsible for Poser 5 - I still think it will be a mess. Changing the interface and so on... p.p.s.: where's the edit button?

Yewston, you were quicker qith the reply... ;-)

Attached Link: http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=5296

If you want to see something new in Bryce follow the link... "DAZ is about to begin development on version six of Bryce and we'd like your input. While we will only be to focus on a few keys issues in order to get a new version out in a timely manner (as a new version is quite over due), we would still like to hear all your ideas as many will be incorporated into the subsequent version. One of the primary issues of development for Bryce 6 will be that of importing DAZ content into Bryce seamlessly. We'd also like to know what other simple little fixes or changes you'd really like to see implemented. We'll comb through your list of ideas and pick the ones that are easiest to achieve for this next version, and then build up a more comprehensive list for the version after that. Thanks!, The DAZ Team"

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Post #24

Rudolf Herczog
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www.rochr.com

You guys DAZ has absolutely nothing to do with Curious Labs - the people who create Poser. If it weren't for DAZ Poser wouldn't have stayed as interesting all these years. From what I hear DAZ studio is already better than Poser5 - and unlike Poser5 it is not tied to an ancient code base. It has openGL and modern code that runs well. I am overjoyed that DAZ got Bryce - I think it is in good hands. If a huge company like Aiias bought it they would price it out of site and kill the reasons we all love it so well. DAZ (formerly Zygote) has been there a long time supplying content to Poser users and more importantly - hobbyists. They know this marketplace and enjoy providing tools for us. Bryce6 is in good hands! Scott

Actually, ild rather see Alias buying Bryce than DAZ. Go through their forums, please. Most of the improvements suggested doesnt even have anything to do with Bryce, but how to easiest import Poser characters from DAZ studio. Who cares...?

Rudolf Herczog
Digital Artist
www.rochr.com

Ahhh... So there finally will be a Bryce 6! About time! LOL! Now DAZ just has to figure out how to implement morphs, character rigging, and animation into the Bryce architecture. (Non-boolean modeling could be referred to OpenSource programs which work very well with Bryce.) The trick is to make it all work seamlessly without wrecking or breaking the interface or current Bryce features. Also if it's possible to keep it in the ballpark of the current price, they'll definitely have a hit.

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There might be something worth downloading.

Some of you amaze me.. here is a cold hard fact.. Bryce was dead.. all that was left was for the corpse to be buried. THAT made me nuts, add to that that if by some miracle another company did pick it up the chances of the community being involved with development the way Daz is already including them would be slim and none. The VERY first thing Daz did upon acquisition was contact as many die hard Brycers as they could, to get them involved. Bryctech and Dar are manning the Bryce forum at Daz and I know Daz is listening closely to their suggestions as well as suggestions from other Brycers. I may not post here often anymore but I have used Bryce since 98 and it is the program that I have always loved the best despite it's particular quirks, the fact that it was dieing was sad to say the least. Now there is hope for it, and not just hope that the program will survive, but hope that it will flourish. I am at least going to take a few moments out to be happy before I look at the cup as half full ;-)

off to go needle the Poser forum..this is the most out-of-left-field development since the Season Finale of Star Trek: Enterprise..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

Frankly a lot of people care Rochr, and if you care about the future of Bryce why not speek up with your suggestions on what needs improvement rather then spelling the doom of bryce becouse some poser users want some things for themselves? Turning your back on a program you obviously love becouse of vague suppositions based on comments from other users makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Attached Link: http://www.bryceformac.com/bryce6.htm

C'mon guys, don't be so negative...;-) If they're going to implement all the good stuff mentioned here (http://www.bryceformac.com/bryce6.htm) then I will be reeeally happy!

Laurie S: Before we get a crippled and raped Bryce 6 I'd prefer to stay at Bryce 5. A new version don't need to mean a good version. And I don't like to see Bryce totally Poser-ised and deformed in future. J.

We can all go spam DAZ with emails telling them what improvements we want and keep them from Poser-izing it.

Who says that is going to happen? You have NOTHING to base that on.. were as I have every reason to be optimistic based on what Daz has already done..getting as many Brycers in the community as they can involved as soon as they can. Want to make sure the program is not raped.. guess what so do I , I am going to handle it by making sure Daz hears what I have to say, how are you going to handle it?

Message edited on: 06/23/2004 13:16

scotttucker3d and Laurie S I tend to concur with your statements. 8) I am glad that Bryce is being resurrected. None of us really knows what to expect for sure.... but it may very well be something we really really like. I refuse to be negative about it. Happy Dancin' 8) Swade

There are 10 kinds of people: Those who know binary, and those who don't.

A whiner is about as useful as a one-legged man at an arse kicking contest.

DAZ has a wishlist thread in their new BryceTalk forum. Please use it to post what you'd like to see in Bryce and what you'd like to stay the same.

Thanks Swade. Yes - and Rochr there is no penalty for sticking with Bryce5 forever - you are welcome to it and it will serve you well. I've seen your images everywhere I know this : ) What if DAZ does take Bryce to the next level? That is what we are all hoping for. If they don't Bryce5 will run on my machine for a long time - regardless. I think DAZ will listen to us like Corel never did - and that by itself is HUGE. As an artist and a provider of content for Bryce artists I am very happy with this news. Scott

Laurie S: "guess what so do I , I am going to handle it by making sure Daz hears what I have to say, how are you going to handle it?" --- Oh, I have already posted in the DAZ Bryce forum. Satisfied?

Laurie S & wdupre, Turning my back on Bryce? Yeah, right. Ive just defended that app on every high end community on the web almost every time ive posted an image, simply beacuse its looked down upon and people confuse it with Poser. Can you imagine why i dont want anything Poser-like in it... The reason i dont care about Poser-features is that the suggestions should concentrate around IMPROVEMENTS in BRYCE. Easier Poser import is hardly an improvement, and not very important either. Besides, cant you import Poser characters into B5 already? Yes, ive left some suggestions, which will no doubt be lost amongs all the DS-import-, Change User Interface-, Poser 5 import-, Make it look like Vue-suggestions that are already crowding the forums. The forthcoming upgrade/version they mentioned, will tell me what way theyre going. I hope im wrong about DAZs intentions, i really am, but somehow i doubt it. I will remain sceptical, until i see some improvements.

Rudolf Herczog
Digital Artist
www.rochr.com

Yeay!!!! Bryce and Poser go together like bread and butter. I'm so happy happy happy!!!!!!!!

Rudy,

you are 100% right.

Changing the interface, make it not a Bryce 6 but a Daz Studio-PlugIn - that's what I'm afraid of.

DAZ don't want a Bryce 6 which stays on his own feet. DAZ wants an application where you can render your Poser models with. No morw, no less - I'd place a high bet on that.

In their eyes, it's only a tool to support DAZ Studio. And DAZ Studio is the main act.

Bryce should be developed by an independend company. Not one which is on the way to create and sell a Poser-like programm and wants to enrich it.

Poser? Well - quite useful. But it is like a puppet studio for me - not for creating, but for posing and rendering stuff you buy at places like DAZ. That's like buying a barbie puppet and dress her nice. And that's the problem.

J.

Message edited on: 06/23/2004 14:33

hmm, just becouse people want them to add features that they want doesnt mean that Bryce will loose any features that you like. Bryce has been languishing at corel for the simple fact that it does not make enough to support itself. Daz wants to expand the userbase which will make bryce more viable product for further development, becouse Bryce development was dead in the water before DAZ decided to purchase it frankly. As someone who uses both Bryce and Poser as tools for their art I welcome any further development even though I do have "higher end" tools.

my question is do you use Bryce to create art or to be respected by CG snobs that havn't realized that creation was the important part and not the means to that creation? I create art for myself and my customers I do not create art for the respect of people who feel the need to look down at other media becouse they chose to use one tool over another.

Message edited on: 06/23/2004 14:53

Some of us are making it sound like we would be required to use Daz models in the renders or that a new improved Bryce would somehow only work if there was a Daz Studio figure in it. Why would anyone change Bryce so we couldn't do the things we can already do now? Why would Bryce itself not be improved? (Faster renders etc. Things we've been dreaming about for years. Well, now the dreams could be more than just dreams. That's better than anything Corel offered us.) Why would Daz buy Bryce just to turn around and do something that would alienate the core Bryce user base they are trying to capture? There's no way for them to succeed in this without us. Think about it. The bottom line of business is business. They need us. I think some of us may be jumping to some very extreme conclusions. I will reserve my judgement until I have seen concrete plans of development. I am encouraged by the change. Having my favorite program in what seemed like permanent stasis was not a situation that was encouraging. Adapt or die. And none of this alters the fact that I have Bryce 5 to use for the forseeable future. John

This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy

Ive been using Bryce since version 1.0 in 1996 (me thinks, Im a dinosaur, I know... :-) up to version 5 today, and the technology behind it hasnt changed very much over the past 8 years. Those who know my work know I have this thingy with mediaeval stuff, and it looks like Bryce is becoming part of that. Everything that I have made this year could equally well have been made with Bryce 1.0 (except for the tree lab, that is, and even that could use some improvement, if you allow me an understatement). Therefore, I think it is time for a major revision, and for me this means i) increased modelling capabilities, ii) increased texturing capabilities and, iii) increased rendering capabilities. Basically, things that I can do myself, not stuff that I have to buy. Ive added my wish list to the thread at DAZs and Im willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, so Ill wait and see...

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Yeaho! Boolean models exported as 3ds. Yes. This sounds awesome!!!

wdupre,

Nor do i. I have no respect/dont care for snobs, but i have great respect for self advertisement.

Let me name one example:

Ive recently got accepted into Expos with a couple of images. Expos is read by some of the major studios/advertisers in the industry, and ive already recieved two job offers thanx to that mag, and its not even released yet.
Free, excellent advertisement, and a LOT of money involved for me.

Now, Bryce was allowed to use for the contributions for Expos, Poser or similar software (DAZstudio), was not!

So i figure, the next time i want to send stuff in for Expos or anything similar, i can basically go f..k myself, since DAZstudio or anything with Poser is integrated into Bryce and it has been ruled out as well........Thank you!

This example is just one way to advertise what i do for customers, but the two jobs combined, will make me more than half of a years pay from my regular job, in about a month of free time work!

Perhaps you want to turn down stuff like this for an easier way to import Poser characters into Bryce, i personally dont. To much money involved.

I am doing art for myself mainly, but i also work with it on freelance bases, and to be able to advertise in such mags are priceless.

For me personally, integration with a Poser-like application would force me to stop using Bryce, an app i love and are perfectly comfortable with, and move on to something else if i want to be able to send images in for something like Expos
Face the facts. If Bryce will be connected with anything that contains Poser characters, it wont matter what version youre using.

Rudolf Herczog
Digital Artist
www.rochr.com

ok fine some people will be happy about this some won't, frankly I want there to be a bryce 6 and if it easily imports external figures that will be awsome but there was no future for bryce at Corel and there would be no future for bryce otherwise, so sorry you are unhappy. and sorry you have such a hard time with magazines that share a smallminded attitude. a piece of art should be judged on its personal merits and if they want to limit it from outside models thats fine but if you dont use outside models then they should accept the illustration. I dont see what difference there is between this and any other program that can import poser models. right now there are plugins for Cinema 4d, Lightwave, and 3ds max that will import poser figure fully boned, will they reject those programs too now?

Having been one of the voices of cautious optimism, I have to say that the following from the DAZ team, as quoted above in post 29, gives me some cause for concern: "DAZ is about to begin development on version six of Bryce and we'd like your input. While we will only be to focus on a few keys issues in order to get a new version out in a timely manner (as a new version is quite over due)..." Excuse me? They seem to be putting the cart before the horse. The only appropriate time for the release of a new version is - when there's something new! "One of the primary issues of development for Bryce 6 will be that of importing DAZ content into Bryce seamlessly. We'd also like to know what other simple little fixes or changes you'd really like to see implemented." Sorry, a proper import routine and some other "simple little fixes or changes" do not add up to a new version. Yes, we Brycers are overdue a new version. A box with the letters d, a, z and the number 6 on it does not deliver that. I mentioned my concerns about DAZ's marketing in the other thread. On face value, this seems to fit right in. Take something everybody's already purchased, tweak it a bit and then sell it to them again. It's worked very well in the Poser user base - will it be the same for Brycers?

Finally! Thanks, PJF. You've listened and learned. This all is only a strategy to sell more Poser models and open the market widely for old and new Bryce users. As I said before: what kind of interest could DAZ have to develop Bryce? Answer: only to widen the market of what they already do. Sell Poser models. Do you really thing this is the right direction to "develope" Bryce? J.

Currently getting Poser figures into bryce is like getting a camel through a keyhole ... possible but it takes serious finessing. If daz can smooth over that pothole it will open up a new user base. I think that DAZ picked up Bryce because more poser users are wanting full environments, something that Poser does not do natively and that poser5 implements errr ... badly. And yeah, not all Bryce users want or need Poser content, but frankly at this point any corporate backing for Bryce is better than none at all, no? I certainly hope they don't mess with the interface .. I've always found Bryce to be the easist most intuitive program of all my 3d apps. (and I've been using it since version 3 or so)

Well, as far as saving bryce from being completely doomed this is a big step right? As for complaints about bryce becomming a new poser I'd say we just tell Daz what we want in the new version of bryce!

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wdupre, The reason they dont accept pre-made models, is because you havent made them yourself. It can also be a copyright issue. "Borrow" a model, submit to the mag, the mag gets sued by the models original creator. The difference between Poser, DAZstudio and Cinema 4d, Lightwave, 3ds max, is that the latter doesnt have Poser integrated and that you can actually model in them. Bryce also have a modeler that allow you to make your own models. This is something you should know already. DAZstudio is basically a drag&drop application, and you want that crap integrated with Bryce? Aahh, what do i care, go ahead and build DAZstudio 2 then...

Rudolf Herczog
Digital Artist
www.rochr.com

Lyrra: "Currently getting Poser figures into bryce is like getting a camel through a keyhole " Come on, this is laughable. It's some work if you do it the first time and if you're an newbie - but after that it's no problem to import Poser meshes into Bryce. And that's your problem - you want an application which does everything for you on fgertip. This is the end of creativity - go and buy some Poser models and render them in 2 minutes in your Poser-ized software. Go and buy yourself some Barbie dolls. J.

derjimi, my concerns about DAZ predated any of this. I haven't really learned anything from listening to the exchanges here except that some people have various concerns, some rather frivolous, that they feel strongly about. Even if Bryce is now to be a conduit for the distribution of "Poser models" (as you keep mistakenly referring to DAZ content), that doesn't necessarily mean that Bryce will become useless to we current users. DAZ will have to ensure Bryce is something people wish to import their content into. In order for this to work as a DAZ content promoter, Bryce will have to improve in and of itself. There is a distinct possibility that the engine that drives the DAZ cash machine will power Bryce onto bigger and better things. I think it all depends on whether DAZ realises that Bryce and its user base are not like Poser and its user base; and should be dealt with accordingly.

"I think it all depends on whether DAZ realises that Bryce and its user base are not like Poser and its user base; and should be dealt with accordingly." --- Let's pray for that. But honestly - I don't believe in that. J.

Rochr, as a modeler I fully understand what the difference is. but you are jumping to a lot of conclusions based on very little information, currently all they are offering other then the program itself is a new plug-in. for future versions who knows, but to cut yourself off from DAZ becouse you are afraid of what they might do only gives you no oppertunity to be heard by them.

Well, ive asked them the same question about a merge in every thread by now, and for some reason no one is willing to answer it. I find it odd... wdupre, as ive said before, i really hope im wrong about this, but i want to see some result before they get any support from me. The very FIRST thing they shouldve done, is to release a bugfix for the well known errors. A Poser plugin is just BS!

Rudolf Herczog
Digital Artist
www.rochr.com

"Poser is forbidden in almost all of the serious CG-competitions"

UHH..NO i regularly competed in the character
animation sessions over at CGtalk.com using poser figures
these were NOT human modelbuilding contests but
pure animation competitions where the moderator
will name a scenario(man hailing cab etc.)
and you would have to animate it with anypackage
you chose. BTW I use both Cinema4DXland Lightwaves Modeling toolset for anyone to call bryce a modeling tool is frankly laughable :-)

these are the only competions i consider "serious"
where your actual skill as animator is tested
not your ability to choose and tweak presets
from a program library

Message edited on: 06/23/2004 17:08

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What's next!?!? Bryce X being sold at Toys'r'us?

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Just in case you haven't seen this, it was posted by Cris Palomino at DAZ. "RochR. I am not completely sure what the plans are for Bryce other than to improve it and make it easy to go from DAZ|Studio and DAZ|Bryce. To me, this is in the same way that the Adobe programs work with each other. I can easily flow between Photoshop and Illustrator. It does not make Photoshop Illustrator, or Illustrator Photoshop. It also does not preclude my working between Photoshop and Painter or Illustrator and Cinema 4D. The ability to work within and between programs is always advantageous as far as I'm concerned. Cris" Coldrake

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wolf359,

That may be so with animations, but not with stills.
Or are still images not serious?

As for modeling in Bryce, go ahead a laugh. I personally dont have any problems modeling in Bryce, so yeah, its also a modeler as far as i know it. Nothing as advanced like the rest, but it works well.

So, i choose and tweak presets from a model library...interesting. Please let me know if you find any of my models out there. Last time i looked, i made everything from scratch with booleans. Apart from the ones made from scratch in Cinema4D, i need to practice.

Need proof...? Heres one. Cinema4D for the balcony on the left, Bryce booleans for the rest.

Rudolf Herczog
Digital Artist
www.rochr.com

aahh, finally an answer. Thanx coldrake. :)

Rudolf Herczog
Digital Artist
www.rochr.com

Um rochr I dont mean to be getting on your case, but they got the software less then a week ago, bug fixes take some time, the import plugin by comparison was a lot easier and something that a lot of people have been asking for for a long time. if you are really concerned about bug fixes I would hope that you will adress them to Daz tech support, I wouldnt guarantee that daz will get them fixed right away but Corel had bryce for how long, and didnt fix them?

Welcome. :) Coldrake

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derjimi Stick it in your ear and blow dude. When I have an art director screaming for her cover art I don't have 3 days to finesse Bryce into playing well with poser content to make last minute changes. I use poser5 instead, even though I don't want to. If DAZ can make Bryce a viable product for me again, good. If it violates the sanctity of the Holy Bryce? don't upgrade then. Your problem. Nobody is making you use Poser figures, or even look at them for that matter. Meanwhile I'll happily meet my deadlines and promote Bryce as a great digital illustrators tool. and by the way? know who you're talking to before you insult them. I'd hardly call my work 'playing with Barbie' Lyrra (Everyone else please pardon this post, I was annoyed)

Some folks are just never happy. 8( I think this is the best thing that could have happened to Bryce. DAZ have asked us, the Bryce users, to tell them what we want to see in Bryce 6 and I think they will listen to our input, 'cos if they don't they will loose out on a lot of potential customers. Bryce was basically dead in the water, Corel would have quite happily let it sink under and die. This looks like the perfect or nearly perfect way for Bryce to survive and to achieve what it is truely capable of. I'm really happy and at this time I don't really care if others are not, it all depends on whether you still want to be able to use Bryce for a few more years or not. 8) Catlin

wdupre, What i think of Corel is known by most people in this community. Not only for cancelling Bryce 6, but also for the lack of support. Its going to be interesting to see how DAZ behave. As for the bugs in Bryce, EVERYONE knows about them and has been doing so for a couple of years now. I realize it can take time to fix errors, but that shouldve been the first thing to release, and its far more important than any Poser plugin. With that said, ill just stop bichinabout this now. People are obviously getting bored. :)

Rudolf Herczog
Digital Artist
www.rochr.com

Hell, I leave forum for two days and then something like this happens... @Rochr: Expose accepted Poser figures. I know, I submitted two pics with them. Maybe that's why they weren't chosen. ;-) @wdupre: since Bryce hasn't supported plugins till now, it's not such an easy job to add one, as far as I know. @Lyrra: addding Poser figures to Bryce is easy. Not even that time consuming, unless you want to tweak and change every material. And then it takes about an hour or two. I don't know what will happen with Bryce at DAZ. Maybe it will end like Vue/Poser system as Chris Palomino implies. Maybe it won't. But I do wonder whether they will include Doc Mojo or Scott Richardson in the project... I think they can offer something. BTW, I'm getting Cinema 4D 8.5 soon. So I may succumb to the dark side.

-- erlik

Rochr, the ability to import Daz content may be of no consequence to you but it is to a lot of others.. and it in no way stops you from doing whatever you want in Bryce just like you always have. In other words it has not harmed you and has helped others, what's the down side? Yes there are bugs.. and yes every one knows they are there and that Corel could have cared less, but no matter who bought the software it is going to take time to address them, AND Daz has asked the community to tell them what they would like to see done first... In the mean time I now have a Bryce that allows me to do more and you to do no less while we wait. Besides, now there is some hope for the program, yesterday there wasn't any;-). Like I said I just do not see the down side.

Erlik, Too bad you didnt make in in. Would love to see more Brycers in there. Actually, when i posted my entries, Poser really wasnt allowed, and not even in the list. There was a question about Bryce as well, but since it didnt contain any pre-made models, they accepted it. Laurie S, As said in above post, im out of this discussion and have nothing further to add. Think ive repeated myself enough... Ill just wait and see what DAZ releases, and make my choice then.

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Rochr, please don't feel obliged to stop expressing your opinions. One sad aspect I've noted about the (visible and vocal) Poser user base is that they tend to shout down voices of dissent. I learned some time ago that it was a pointless exercise pointing out that DAZ was selling them the same thing again and again. This is still the Renderosity Bryce forum. Say what you think - and bollocks to those that don't like it.

PJF I couldnt agree more, I certainly dont intend on shouting anyone down, and without discussion nothing gets accomplished. so I have no problem whith what others say but if it seems to be just to trash something before its even out of the gate I have to question that and try to find out the motivation for it. I certainly didnt intend to bully anyone just find out where the differences of opinion come from. PS erlic I didnt say it was easy to create plugins, but they do exist and can be done if you have the source code or an SKD, if you look in your bryce folder you will see that there are a number of import and export plugins.

"Ive recently got accepted into Expos with a couple of images. Expos is read by some of the major studios/advertisers in the industry, and ive already recieved two job offers thanx to that mag, and its not even released yet. Free, excellent advertisement, and a LOT of money involved for me." One of my 3ds images was supposedly "considered" for Exp2, but never made the final cut. Congratulations in a big way. That's like the holy grail for most aspiring 3D professionals. Aside from landing a job at Pixar or ILM or course. Kudos!

I rushed over here to the Bryce forum thinking I could witness the "dancing in the street after the Berlin Wall had been torn down". I'm surprised to hear so many people complaining "but they're destroying my grafitti!" While I know that there are a lot of people who do some Amazing modeling in Bryce and some Amazing abstract images that won't benefit from Daz objects, I doubt that the new Bryce will keep you from doing that. The anti-Daz contingent: Is it mostly new modeling tools you want? I can understand wanting them. Sorry there isn't more joy over here as I thought. Personally I had to give up on Bryce because of it's limitations and creating environments (as beautiful as they were) devoid of people just wasn't working for my needs. Hopefully I might be able to revive my presence here. Best of luck to us all.

I thought everyone wanted Bryce to grow and hopefully gain respect in the 3d community? If this new change turns out the way I am thinking its going to happen, then it will kill Bryce's chance to ever seperate itself from poser (which like rudy said, CG pros confuse the two softwares all the time). It has been said time and time again in this thread, but it must be repeated...just because Bryce is moving, doesnt mean its for the better! listen to Rudy, he knows what he is talking about. If Bryce permanently associates itself with poser (which Daz is obviously associated with even though their aren't connected with Curious Labs) then it will be a sad day for Bryce. and PJF had even a better point. Why are they going to release a new version with very few improvements??? whats the point of that? If they are really interesting in keeping Bryce's greastest features and improving its biggest faults then it needs to spend lots of time getting feedback and rebuilding the Bryce code from the ground up. Otherwise, I feel this change will only set Bryce back.

Man, negativity reigns supreme over here. I hear what you guys are worried about re: the "hobbyist" label . But from where I sit Bryce was never going to stand toe-to-toe against Maya, Lightwave, or SoftImage etc. It has never had the control. You want it to. I wanted it to but for the price you still get a lot of power. I know you know because you're so passionately wanting to defend it from corruption. I still believe that you (me/we) can be a part of the solution and this new-Bryce is just at the beginning. Give it a chance. If your worst fears are realized maybe the good news is you'll find a better interface.

"Man, negativity reigns supreme over here." Man you said it - I'd expect this from Poser users. What is the U.S.Government doing a world wide H.A.R.P. test to see how angry they can get people all over the world? I think this is potentially very good news - just a couple days ago there was a discussion/series of discussions righr cheer on this forum about how nice it would be if figures were more easily animatable in Bryce. who bewtter to accomplish this goal than the company who makes a good majority of said figures (At least the good ones). As "Odd Ball" said to "Moyerarty"(sp?) in "Kelly's Heros", "none of them negative vibrations ,Morearty(sp?)"

@Bikermouse-thier solution is still not the best for animating in bryce.They have only said "seamless integration",not "Full posability" as we all talked about.The way they worded it,and from some of thier own comments,they still want you to use DS for the scene layout(as in the example of the pic they showed with the beta plug-in),thus making you still animate in DS,it is just seamless and easy to import(the scene from DS).Still no posing within the program(at least how they worded it).I go off on this and the whole fbx or lack there of support in my bad times thread.Although it could turn out good.I still think those fetures are retarded.I never remember Mel3d complaining about the bad poser/bryce integration-wouldnt they be an expert on that sorta thing,the images suggest there is no problem at all.Maybe just poor users.I still say modeling tools,and better renderer first,then all that other non essential stuff.

I eat babies.

If, as I understand, they are still rounding up programmers for Bryce . . . (HEY DAZ - over here - I'll do it !!!) . . . you're prob'ly just hearing sales talk. I think that when they get a handle on what thet bit off they'll have to chew on it a while before they actually swallow anything. That Bryce is going to be developed further at all is a good thing - we might have to put up with some junky ideas before the reality comes about but I think in the end, they will either make Bryce better or pass it on to other hands. In the meantime Bryce still lives, and as such all things are possible. - TJ

I dunno takes me about 8 minutes to import and texture a poser fig pretty simple really,I hope they actually ADD to bryce..not just make it easier to import daz software.Whats done is done,nothing we can do about it now,except blabber on about how much we like or dislike it.

"I thought everyone wanted Bryce to grow and hopefully gain respect in the 3d community?" --- Sure we want. That's why we are complaining. --- Lyrra, sorry if I attacked you, it wasn't meant personal. Sure, there are some great Poser artists. But that's mostly not Poser's archievment but the ability of the creator to do fantastic postwork.

Bikermouse is right, they bit off way more than they probably thought.Its good that the funds are there to enhance bryce,its just when that money goes twords that new functionality.I still say what they have said(bug fixes and stuff) should be done but as a bryce 5.5 update(and free too).There is no reason to go to version 6, until it can truely be called that.

I eat babies.

Wohoooooo is all I can saay...Anything to help Bryce will help us all...I hated Poser5 when it came out and sometimes I still do but now I am starting to like it so I say anything that will help Bryce I say go for it...

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Lol...I had almost forgotten what Moderating a "Buzz" in the community was like. ;o) Theories, conjecture, a little controversey, along with hops and wishes. Isn't it great to have a spotlight back on OUR Program!? :oD Good or bad, it IS time for progress. I have faith in DAZ, and I have faith that we as users will both love any new changes, and probably hate any new changes, lol. Let the discussions rage. In the end we ALL know all we can do is wait and watch to see what EXACTLY happens with our Bryce. (we've gotten pretty good at waiting) Then, we will make our decisions. I can't wait. ;oD AgentSmith Bryce Moderator

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In the END it is everybodies choice to pursue what ever program they want too...I really think that DAZ will listen to a point to us the community and they will be doing what we know they will DS/Bryce6.... OK think about it folks... Bryce was DEAD in the hands of COREL... DAZ has brought new life into Bryce... Go to DAZ and let your CONCERNS be known,That is the way we will get what we NEED in the Future Versions of BRYCE... OR use Bryce5,4,3...But you will SWITCH in the end because you will see all the Wonderful Art and Animations being done with DSBryce.... I want to betatest so bad ...But there are way better then me out there so I will plod forward with my Plans... Hey think of it this way...Poser...Ah what or who is that...?

deci6el wrote: "I rushed over here to the Bryce forum thinking I could witness the "dancing in the street after the Berlin Wall had been torn down". I'm surprised to hear so many people complaining "but they're destroying my grafitti!"" I think, to give due credence to some of the concerns expressed here, a more accurate analogy from that region might be: Here's the good news: we've been liberated from the Nazis. Here's the bad news: we've been liberated by the Soviets. In words not invoking Godwin's law, some people are concerned that Bryce won't be any better off under DAZ than it was under Corel. You might not agree with that, but I don't think their views should be dismissed as mere 'graffiti'.

Well I got the plugin and..................I think I'll be using Grouper until it's past the beta version.
You know how Grouper lets you select all the obj's that use the same texture and gives them their proper names, grouping them at the same time, well unfortunately the new plugin doesn't and the names it does give the obj's is the full directory, which means it's really hard to know what you are selecting when you click until it's selected.
Maybe I was hoping for too much since they really haven't had it long enough to make any major updates but one of the selling points of the plugin was that it would retain the transparency information, which I thought was great, but it didn't or it did, but not for all the transparencies.
I guess I should go test it some more to see what exactly it can do although I'm no longer as excited as I was last night.

Catlin

There are two good utilities available for helping you in Bryce with content made for Poser, MetalFixer and Grouper. Unfortunately....both PC only which leaves us on the Mac to fend for ourselves...or did...until Turbo Importer. So that, for me, is great. Cris

Yes the plugin is great for importing whole scenes but the length of the names is so long that the drop down box cannot give the whole name and all you can see is c:/runtime/etc. So for some I guess it will be wonderful I'm just feeling a little disappointed which is probably my own fault for wishing too high. Then again life is never easy and the difficulty in getting Poser figures into Bryce probably makes for better art work, ie. suffering for your art. lol 8) Catlin

Heh, well, the importer is still PC only, too...though Mac is coming soon. :) So I didn't know about the drop down. Please start a thread in the DAZ Bryce forum with what you've found and email a copy to tech@daz3d.com so they can take note of this. I can see where this would be cumbersome. Thanks, Cris

No probs Cris, my only wish is for this to work flawlessly, 'cos the ability to import entire scenes from Poser to Bryce has been big on my wishlist for quite some time. 8) Catlin

I wish DAZ all the luck in the world. From watching recent world events I realize now how anger and mistrust can manipulate public opinion and so, perhaps in the right hands all the venting we have been doing will lead to something positive ... positive ... positive...

Hey, catlin are you gonna give DAZ your notes on the plugin? It IS a beta plugin, and they could use any info on improving it. I know that you (and others) could give great notes. If you aren't registered for DAZ, I could pass along your notes? AgentSmith

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This forum at Rendo could be THE place DAZ gets the best info for a new Bryce. (or at least, the best Bryce people) I'm not gonna pass that up after years of waiting for a new Bryce! ;o) AS

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Heh, AS...I goes where I knows to go. W Doesn't matter where the info is as long as we all know where it is and how to get it to keep on Brycin'! Cris

It's ok AS I've been there and done that I also told them I'd send screenshots of what I'm talking about. I've been a member of DAZ for ages and they've made me poor, did you not see my nakid Mike3 with wings? lol 8) Catlin

But, of course...you know I have, lol. =O} AS

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he's been starring in your naughty dreams ever since hasn't he AS? ;) j/k I'm not a DAZ member, is becomming a member free? and spamless?

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Yes,

Rayraz. You only get some weekly newsletter about their newest products.

J.
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Yup, totally. The only time they bug you is if you've signed up for the newsletter, but that's a good thing to do 'cos then you get all the latest updates and a link to all the free models, etc they give away. 8) Catlin

Yup, free to resister. Yeah, the free models from the newsletter is worth getting their newsletter in your e-mail. It might be a month or two with add-on items for a product you don't own, then bang, they give away free original models (which sometimes later become retail items) Way worth it, imho. AS

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hmm, sounds like I could become a member then. Is there any interesting stuff about bryce in the DAZ forum?

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Yeah, any new news about the new Bryce will be announced their first (I assume) Brycetech is one of the Bryce Mod's over there. ;o) AS

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okay, I'll sign up then :)

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Hey, catlin, are you still here? wanna chat with me on msn or yahoo? :) my msn addy is rayraz.rv@hccnet.nl and my yahoo addy is ruben_vreeken@yahoo.com :)

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Sorry Rayraz I don't have any of the messenger things set up 'cos I feel they are too much of a security risk. You could send me your phone number and we could talk for real, or I could send you mine. Although I have a special deal with my phone company that allows me international call for a pretty cheap rate so calling to Holland doesn't cost that much. 8) Catlin

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