Using carrar is great , but one thing i wish for us to see if we could acomplish is... some tutorials have in them position to place objects in certin places. i.e the middle of the grid e.t.c as in picture shown(the highlited section) i wanted to put together for my web page some positions middle far/middle/left e.t.c does anyone no of any that they use epsilon sorry about the loads of deletes i tried using a photoshop image and it did not work